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      Lightbulb New way to use a Remee dream mask

      I bought a Remee mask earlier this month. The first time I used it, it was so uncomfortable I could hardly sleep. (I should mention that I usually find sleep masks to be uncomfortable.) It pressed into my face too much, especially my eyes. Also, the mask moved around too much on my face, so that the LEDs weren't always properly aligned with my eyes.

      In an attempt to solve these problems, the second and third times I used the mask I completely removed the Remee circuit board from the foam insert and cloth cover. I then taped the circuit board directly to my nose and forehead with surgical tape, so that the two LED strips were positioned over my eyes. Before taping it to my face, I wrapped a strip of Kleenex around the center of the circuit board, so the tape wouldn't stick directly to the board. Using the mask that way worked a lot better. It was much more comfortable, and the LED strips stayed in position over my eyes. But it still wasn't ideal, because when sleeping on my side--which is how I almost always sleep--the LED strip closest to the pillow would often touch the pillow, causing the mask to shift slightly on my face. Having it shift that way was pretty annoying and interfered somewhat with my sleep.

      The fourth time I used the mask, I decided to tape the circuit board sideways onto my forehead in such a way that only one of the two LED strips was positioned over one of my eyes. That worked really well, because it prevented any part of the circuit board from ever coming in contact with my pillow. I was able to sleep as comfortably as I normally sleep when not using a dream mask. I also tweaked the mask settings quite a bit, based on what I'd learned the previous three times I'd used it. Used in this way, the mask induced a false awakening (FA) in which I thought a light was on in the room. Doing an RC made me realize I was dreaming, resulting in a fairly long and vivid OBE-style LD.

      I'll need to try my Remee a lot more before I'll know how useful it is for inducing LDs, but at this point I'm really encouraged.

      I should also mention that the only supps I took for these four tests of the Remee were small doses of melatonin for the second and third tests, and a 100 mg chewable theanine tablet for the fourth test. The theanine tablet also contained 100 mg of inositol and 100 mg of taurine. The reason I took the supps was to help me get back to sleep quickly after taping the Remee to my face at WBTB.

      Here are the mask settings I used for the fourth test, which induced the LD:
      • Nap mode = On.
      • Nap Delay = 55 minutes.
      • Signal Interval = 25 minutes.
      • Wiggle = Light (i.e., 20% random variation of the Signal Interval).
      • Brightness Level = Low, with "Low" set to 5% of full brightness.
      • Brightness Ramping = Off.
      • Pattern #1 = Fast Glow Alt x 3.
      • Pattern #2 = None.
      • Pattern #3 = None.

      In that fourth test, I first slept for 4:30 hours, took the chewable theanine tablet, turned the Remee circuit board on and set it to "Nap" mode, taped the circuit board to my forehead, and went back to sleep.
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      Sounds like a fun experiment... You should take a selfie with it all taped to your face like that. I was just thinking how it might look if some random person walked in and saw you sleeping with some gadget and lights all taped to your face. Sounds like it helped though so that is awesome. It would be great if you learned to recognize the light in your dream every time, or even a majority of the time.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Caradon View Post
      Sounds like a fun experiment... You should take a selfie with it all taped to your face like that.
      Think that's best left to the imagination.

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      I was just thinking how it might look if some random person walked in and saw you sleeping with some gadget and lights all taped to your face.
      Could be my Halloween costume this year.

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      Sounds like it helped though so that is awesome. It would be great if you learned to recognize the light in your dream every time, or even a majority of the time.
      Hoping it works often enough to justify the effort. At least it's not uncomfortable, which dream masks usually are for me.
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      I looked it up and saw the mask on amazon. I didn't even know they had those. I might give it a try sometime, it's not that expensive (at least if I was looking at the same thing) and could be fun to play with.

      I'm getting old enough where it's too easy to fall asleep now, so I can sleep on my back all night most of the time no problem. And I don't think the feeling of the mask would keep me from falling to sleep.


      There is always the aspect of just putting in the extra effort and playing with the mask will give you a greater chance of thinking about it in your dreams, and even dreaming about the mask, and becoming lucid just for that reason even if the lights don't actually cause lucidity.

      My biggest concern with a light trigger has always been that I don't want the light to mess with a dream that is already lucid. Say, I'm already in the middle of a great lucid and all of a sudden this light starts messing with the dream content, or even worse just wakes me up from it. But that wouldn't stop me from giving it a try and see what happens. You never know until you try...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Caradon View Post
      I looked it up and saw the mask on amazon. I didn't even know they had those. I might give it a try sometime, it's not that expensive (at least if I was looking at the same thing) and could be fun to play with.
      Yes, pretty sure that's what you saw on Amazon. As long as it's called a "Remee," it should be the same thing. And you're right about it not being expensive. I paid $45.68 for mine, including tax and shipping.

      One thing that just occurred to me, though, is that there might be different versions of the mask. If so, I hope mine is the latest version. The instruction manual that came with it has a copyright date of 2019, so that's good. The circuit board, however, has the date 03.12.13 printed on it, so I guess it was manufactured and/or designed over six years ago. But doing some online searches, I couldn't find any mention of there being more than one version.

      Quote Originally Posted by Caradon View Post
      I'm getting old enough where it's too easy to fall asleep now, so I can sleep on my back all night most of the time no problem. And I don't think the feeling of the mask would keep me from falling to sleep.
      That should make you an ideal candidate for using a dream mask! My problem is I can't sleep at all well on my back and masks tend to feel really uncomfortable pressing into my face when lying on my side. But taping the circuit board to my forehead solves that problem.

      Quote Originally Posted by Caradon View Post
      There is always the aspect of just putting in the extra effort and playing with the mask will give you a greater chance of thinking about it in your dreams, and even dreaming about the mask, and becoming lucid just for that reason even if the lights don't actually cause lucidity.
      I agree with that. It should make you much more aware of your goal of getting lucid.

      You probably wouldn't want to use it too often, though, because it might become so routine that you no longer think about it. But I've found that to be true of all LD-induction methods. If you do them too often, they lose their effectiveness. That's been my experience, anyway.

      Quote Originally Posted by Caradon View Post
      My biggest concern with a light trigger has always been that I don't want the light to mess with a dream that is already lucid. Say, I'm already in the middle of a great lucid and all of a sudden this light starts messing with the dream content, or even worse just wakes me up from it. But that wouldn't stop me from giving it a try and see what happens. You never know until you try...
      Interesting point! Hadn't thought of that. Not sure, but wouldn't think it'd be a serious problem. Because the flashing lights can't be too bright or flash for too long. Otherwise, they'd wake you up most of the time. So if you happen to notice them while lucid, you'll probably recognize them for what they are and just ignore them.

      Or, who knows? They might even alter your LDs in interesting ways! For example, maybe the mask lights would show up as a beautiful sunrise or sunset. Or maybe a thunderstorm, because the lights will be flashing.
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      Tonight I'm going to do a fifth test with my Remee dream mask. Here's the plan:

      I'll first sleep for 4:30 hours without using the mask, then take a 100-mg chewable theanine tablet (also containing 100 mg of inositol and 100 mg of taurine), turn the mask on, set it to Nap Mode, set the Brightness Level to Low, tape the mask to my face using surgical tape, and go back to sleep.

      As I did for my fourth test of the Remee, I'll tape the mask's circuit board only (i.e., without the foam insert or cloth cover) sideways to my forehead, with one of the LED strips positioned over one of my eyes, in such a way that the circuit board won't contact my pillow at all when I'm sleeping on my side. This should make the mask really comfortable, as it did for the fourth test.

      Before going to sleep after putting on the mask, I'll repeat a few times my intention to do an RC not only each time I notice any unusual lights, but also each time I seem to have woken up, whether or not I'm seeing any unusual lights, because that might actually be a false awakening (FA).

      Here are the mask settings I'm going to use:
      • Nap mode = On.
      • Nap Delay = 55 minutes.
      • Signal Interval = 25 minutes.
      • Wiggle = Light (i.e., 20% random variation of the Signal Interval).
      • Brightness Level = Low, with "Low" set to 5% of full brightness.
      • Brightness Ramping = Off.
      • Pattern #1 = Fast Glow Alt x 3.
      • Pattern #2 = None.
      • Pattern #3 = None.
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      Here's what happened with my fifth test of the Remee mask last night:

      Went to bed around 11:45 pm, after setting a wake-up alarm to go off 4:25 hours later. While falling asleep, I repeated my intention to do RCs at appropriate times. When the alarm woke me up, I took the theanine tablet, turned on the Remee, put it in Nap mode, taped it to my forehead, and went back to bed about 4:30 hours after originally having gone to bed. The mask was comfortable, but I still had trouble getting back to sleep. Maybe half an hour after going back to bed, I took some more theanine. Tried to break a tablet in half, but it broke into unequal pieces, maybe two-thirds / one third. I took the larger piece and went back to bed.

      I still wasn't asleep when the LEDs flashed the first time. Did an RC to be sure I really was awake, and concluded that I was. I ended up getting to sleep before the LEDs flashed again. I then had some long complicated non-lucid dreams, of which I don't remember a whole lot. However, I do remember at one point dreaming that I was trying to go to sleep [Should've done an RC!], but my wife had a bunch of friends over. They were all sitting on the bed in the master bedroom talking loudly. I went in and asked them politely to be a bit quieter. Then I realized I had the dream mask taped to my forehead, which was embarrassing. [Should have done an RC at that point, too, but didn't think to, unfortunately.]

      I noticed the LEDs flashing probably about 4 or 5 more times during my sleep cycle. I did an RC each time, but concluded that none of them were FAs.

      At some point in my sleep cycle I had to pee, so I was searching everywhere for a restroom. I kept finding them, but each time there was some weird reason I couldn't use them. Possibly the weirdest one was that in one restroom there was a handicapped guy trying to use a urinal. But, due to his handicap, the only way he could use it was for five or six assistants to help him. Each assistant had to hold a different part of his body and position it in a specific manner. For example, his legs had to be held way out, so they were almost horizontal. Anyway, even though he was only using one urinal, he, along with all his assistants, ended up blocking access to all the other urinals, as well as the stalls.

      Later in the same dream, I found a row of free-standing urinals with some firefighters hanging out behind them. There was also a lot of firefighting clothing and equipment, such as fire hoses, all around. [Maybe the fire hoses symbolized how much I had to pee.] I got ready to pee in one of the urinals, but then looked down and saw that all the urinals were gone. Instead, I was about to pee into a firefighter's boot. That wouldn't have been a good idea, so I stopped myself. I asked them what happened to the urinals. They told me the police came and took them away. The absurdity of their answer made me realize I was dreaming. I told them the police must be pigs to have done that, and walked away. I went out a door and was walking down a sidewalk, when an attractive woman suddenly jumped on me and started passionately embracing me and stroking my body with her hands under my clothing. I responded by doing the same thing to her. But I still really had to pee, so I told her I needed to use the restroom before continuing. She said OK. [The fact that I didn't realize using a dream restroom wouldn't be helpful meant I'd lost lucidity.] I found a nearby restroom and used it. [Fortunately I only dreamed I was peeing, but didn't actually pee.] I then found the woman again, which caused me to regain lucidity. We continued where we'd left off for awhile. But I eventually lost lucidity again. [Don't remember what happened after that, but at some point I woke up and used the restroom IWL.]

      I had a few dreams after that, but don't recall any of them very well. I also noticed the flashing LEDs a few more times, but doing an RC each time indicated they weren't FAs.

      I probably had the LD with the woman on the sidewalk due to having watched the first half of Last Tango in Paris right before going to bed. Specifically, there's that scene near the beginning where the two main characters (played by Marlon Brando and Maria Schneider) suddenly grab each other and start having sex on the floor of a filthy unoccupied Parisian apartment.

      I'm not at all sure the flashing of the mask's LEDs is what caused me to get lucid in this test, because I didn't notice any unusual lights before getting lucid. But it may not matter much. I'm pretty sure the mask helped me get lucid, if only indirectly. If it works, even in an unanticipated way, it's worth doing. The insomnia wasn't fun, though. Maybe next time I won't even do a WBTB, or at least one where I have to mess with the mask. I might just put on the mask when I first go to bed, with maybe a delay of 4 to 5 hours before the LEDs start flashing. Having to turn the mask on, set it to Nap mode, and tape it to my face seemed like it woke me up too much. Also, I didn't get enough exercise the day before, which sometimes gives me insomnia.
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      My wife bought me a Remee for my birthday as I've been wanting one for probably three years now. I've had it for a few weeks now, and though I haven't gotten back to any lucidity yet, I have MUCH better dream recall, and I know that's the first step to getting back to being lucid. I haven't had any time to throw things into my dream journal yet, because I need to come up with a plan on when to go to bed earlier in order to wake up earlier and still have had ample sleep time. I got a new job a few months ago and I have to get up earlier and get out the door earlier than I used to because I have a longer commute now.

      The LEDs flashing the very first night I tried it made me think an earthquake or some other natural disaster was happening. It was jarring, but I turned down the light intensity and changed the pattern and now when the LEDs go off, I know what's going on, and it makes me stop to think about what was happening just prior to the lights going off, so that I can remember better.

      I definitely recommend this sleep mask.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mezzanine View Post
      My wife bought me a Remee for my birthday as I've been wanting one for probably three years now. I've had it for a few weeks now, and though I haven't gotten back to any lucidity yet, I have MUCH better dream recall, and I know that's the first step to getting back to being lucid. I haven't had any time to throw things into my dream journal yet, because I need to come up with a plan on when to go to bed earlier in order to wake up earlier and still have had ample sleep time. I got a new job a few months ago and I have to get up earlier and get out the door earlier than I used to because I have a longer commute now.
      Makes sense that it would improve recall. And that is important for getting lucid.

      Also, masks can induce a lot of false awakenings. So you might want to repeat an intent as you fall asleep to do an RC every time you think you've woken up. Also to do an RC any time you see anything that involving lights, especially flashing lights.

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      The LEDs flashing the very first night I tried it made me think an earthquake or some other natural disaster was happening.
      Sounds scary!

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      It was jarring, but I turned down the light intensity and changed the pattern and now when the LEDs go off, I know what's going on, and it makes me stop to think about what was happening just prior to the lights going off, so that I can remember better.

      I definitely recommend this sleep mask.
      So do you find the mask comfortable to wear, even when sleeping on your side? Do you put it on when you first go to bed at night or after having slept a few hours?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Zthread View Post
      So do you find the mask comfortable to wear, even when sleeping on your side? Do you put it on when you first go to bed at night or after having slept a few hours?
      I find the mask perfectly fine. At one point, I thought it was too loose, so in the dark I thought it would be a good idea to fumble around and tighten it up. Nah, I made it too tight and it felt like my head was being squeezed. So I had to loosen it up a little more and then I found a good spot. It doesn't shift around on my face, but prior to tightening it, I did experience the same thing you did where the lights weren't aligned perfectly, but only for my left eye, so every time the lights would go off, it was super bright on just the right side of my face. I'm used to wearing a sleep mask, though. I love to be asleep in pitch darkness.

      I think that having the mask, regardless of where the lights are in relation to my eyes, it's helping me to achieve better quality dreams, better recall, and deeper sleep overall. I wear a Fitbit that tracks my sleep and I have been sleeping for longer periods of time and with less tossing and turning. I might add that I have disciplined myself to not play on my phone during the hour leading up to bedtime recently. I think that has helped a lot, too. I also take a packet of Calm magnesium supplement before going to bed. I read somewhere that magnesium can help with brain activity overnight and it helps you relax.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mezzanine View Post
      I find the mask perfectly fine. At one point, I thought it was too loose, so in the dark I thought it would be a good idea to fumble around and tighten it up. Nah, I made it too tight and it felt like my head was being squeezed. So I had to loosen it up a little more and then I found a good spot. It doesn't shift around on my face, but prior to tightening it, I did experience the same thing you did where the lights weren't aligned perfectly, but only for my left eye, so every time the lights would go off, it was super bright on just the right side of my face. I'm used to wearing a sleep mask, though. I love to be asleep in pitch darkness.
      It's good that it's comfortable for you and doesn't shift around too much. Definitely helps that you're used to wearing a sleep mask. Wonder how many people find them uncomfortable, like I do.

      Quote Originally Posted by Mezzanine View Post
      I think that having the mask, regardless of where the lights are in relation to my eyes, it's helping me to achieve better quality dreams, better recall, and deeper sleep overall. I wear a Fitbit that tracks my sleep and I have been sleeping for longer periods of time and with less tossing and turning.
      Interesting that it would both enhance dreaming and improve sleep quality for you. Normally I think of lucid dreaming aids as causing some loss of sleep quality. But maybe dream masks aren't that way. As for me, not sure yet if that's the case. Need to try it a lot more.

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      I might add that I have disciplined myself to not play on my phone during the hour leading up to bedtime recently. I think that has helped a lot, too.
      That's a good idea.

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      I also take a packet of Calm magnesium supplement before going to bed. I read somewhere that magnesium can help with brain activity overnight and it helps you relax.
      Hadn't heard that. Sounds pretty good. Maybe its effects are similar to theanine? Have you ever tried theanine?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Zthread View Post
      Hadn't heard that. Sounds pretty good. Maybe its effects are similar to theanine? Have you ever tried theanine?
      I have tried theanine and I didn't see any results, so I quit.

      I do take the Grind supplement, but I don't think that has any theanine in it. HIGHLY recommend Grind if you haven't tried it. https://youliveit.org/grind/

      I also have to mention that I got one of those cervical pillows a couple days ago and I sleep like a rock now. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/...=AZ34F8Y0NCYR2

      Last night I slept so hard I didn't even wake up to the lights of the mask.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mezzanine View Post
      I have tried theanine and I didn't see any results, so I quit.
      How did you try it? That is, when did you take it (e.g., at bedtime or at WBTB) and how much did you take? What were you wanting it to do that it didn't do?

      Quote Originally Posted by Mezzanine View Post
      I do take the Grind supplement, but I don't think that has any theanine in it. HIGHLY recommend Grind if you haven't tried it. https://youliveit.org/grind/
      What does it do for you? For example, does it help you get lucid, help you sleep, make you dream more, help with dream recall? How do you normally use it? For example, do you take it at bedtime or WBTB?

      Quote Originally Posted by Mezzanine View Post
      I also have to mention that I got one of those cervical pillows a couple days ago and I sleep like a rock now. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/...=AZ34F8Y0NCYR2
      So it's more comfortable than a regular pillow? Is it best for sleeping on your back or on your side?

      Quote Originally Posted by Mezzanine View Post
      Last night I slept so hard I didn't even wake up to the lights of the mask.
      Good that the lights didn't wake you up! Did you get lucid or notice any enhancement of your dreams due to the mask?
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      Curious about buying one (I've seen some YouTube videos certain masks are successful). I'm a little hesitant however cause previously had detached retina in eye. Unsure if flashing lights may be harmful (just for me personally) Anyway please continue feedback/post results if mask works.

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