Thread: Galantamine + Choline

Originally Posted by TheKing

I decided to wait after reading that link DukeDreamWalker posted. I want to attain lucidity on my own then experiment with supplements.

I have to ask, galantamine is a perscription drug and using or carrying a perscription drug without the perscription is a felony in the US. How do all of you get around that?

I don't know. I think maybe they just have it as perscription and also over the internet. Just like they have ibuprofin 800 mg as a perscription but you can just take 4 200 mg ibuprofin that you buy from the store.

After wafting, I bought Lucid Dreamer from Dreamamins. It 4mg of galantamine with 200mg of choline in a single tablet. While I have only succeeded at DILDing once, I think my biggest hinderence with WILD is a lack of knowing what to expect. Hopefully, I can WILD without the supplement this weekend, but if not, at least I have a fallback, and maybe this will help...

My biggest fear is I will only be able to LD with this pill afterwards. Is that an unfounded fear?

Hi,

It is my opinion that the best is to learn how to have ld without any supplements. There are many subtle chemical reactions which take place and many neurotransmitters which levels increase once the supplements are taken which is the faster way around however, that type of approach might lead to dependency. I guess be careful what you condition yourself to...

Originally Posted by TheKing

After wafting, I bought Lucid Dreamer from Dreamamins. It 4mg of galantamine with 200mg of choline in a single tablet. While I have only succeeded at DILDing once, I think my biggest hinderence with WILD is a lack of knowing what to expect. Hopefully, I can WILD without the supplement this weekend, but if not, at least I have a fallback, and maybe this will help...

My biggest fear is I will only be able to LD with this pill afterwards. Is that an unfounded fear?

That's what I was thinking. I think I will work hard this weekend, because I feel I am close to WILD. Once I get a WILD or two, I'll try supplements.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by DukeDreamWalker

I don’t understand how you conclude that I might be using them as a “crutch” when I am simple trying to enhance my lucidity. Now, in my way of thinking those “guys who use different LDS combos almost every night” have developed an unhealthy and dangerous crutch!

I really do apologize, it sounds like you're offended by my post, which I really didn't mean to at all But that idea got into my head because you said, "I have also noticed that since I have been taking these supplements that it is now harder to go lucid without them. " I made the mistake of assuming that you may be relying on the lucid aids too much if it was becoming difficult to get lucid without them. Perhaps the idea of a crutch was not the right idea, so unfortunately, I'm not sure how to address that issue after all.

How can I be relying too much on them when I only use them once a week? I still don’t understand where you are getting this from.

Quite simply, I really am that bad at math, and didn't really consider what "6 times in 5 weeks" really meant. Me and numbers do not work well with each other.

Finally something useful! Thanks for this advise! I will have to read up on DEILD and use it next time!

Well, I'm glad I was able to help you out with something...

So I've used this combo 4 times and have been successful twice. The two times I failed is because I fell asleep instead of performing a WILD method. I've tried a couple different doses and the best so far seems to be 4mg Galatamine, 700mg Choline, and 300mg L-Theanine. Last night I had a lucid with Charlie Sheen and my cat it was quite odd and I kept blinking in and out of lucids like they were extremely short but each one was sequential to the others. After roughly 6 of these I ended up in a regular dream that was about the lucids I just had but that the government was watching LD'ers and trying to stop them and they were chasing me through the dream. It was pretty intense, weird, and entertaining

Originally Posted by Cosmix

I kept blinking in and out of lucids like they were extremely short but each one was sequential to the others. After roughly 6 of these I ended up in a regular dream

I've had something like that twice so far. Last time I kept going from my dream body to my real body in my bed. I would open my eyes and be in my dream body in my bed and then a second later I'd be in my real body. This went back and forth like 8 times. It was so stranges

Originally Posted by NrElAx

I've had something like that twice so far. Last time I kept going from my dream body to my real body in my bed. I would open my eyes and be in my dream body in my bed and then a second later I'd be in my real body. This went back and forth like 8 times. It was so stranges

lol yes exactly, it was all happening in my room too.

Originally Posted by Cosmix

lol yes exactly, it was all happening in my room too.

I was getting mad though because I was having such a hard time getting out of my bed while I was in the dream. And the floating black suitcase I kept seeing over my bed also made it hard to get out of bed. I was like why is this thing floating over me haha.

Originally Posted by NrElAx

I was getting mad though because I was having such a hard time getting out of my bed while I was in the dream. And the floating black suitcase I kept seeing over my bed also made it hard to get out of bed. I was like why is this thing floating over me haha.

haha I know what you mean. The first one my cat jumped on my bed and I was like I didn't let him in and became lucid. I then tried interacting with him but my movements were really sluggish and kind of hard to control, I tried speaking and my voice was long and drawn out. This happened twice, then I woke standing by my closet and it was sooo hard to walk. My legs felt like anvils. I then flew uncontrollably around my room knocking over my lamp and other things.

Yea I think the galantamine ruins my lucids sometimes because it makes me all slugish feeling too. But that has only happened if I become lucid right after waking up and I end up in my bed.

Another successful WILD with the help of G/C, however as before it was short lived.

Any ideas of how I can prolong my WILD lucid experiences longer that 3-5 minutes? I usually try to stabilize by spinning and rubbing my hands.

I received a bottle of Pro-Galantamine from Dreamamins (as opposed to what I ordered "Lucid Dream" which has Choline as well as Galantamine). I'm a bit nervous about taking this stuff now that I have it. I had my second induced lucid dream, but I am definitely hitting a wall.

Also, I haven't found much on Dreamamins, but they are recommended fairly frequently. Any chance that this stuff won't be pure galantamine? I really worry about my ability to pass random drug tests at work. Sorry for the paranoia...

Hi,

if you are trying the supplements , you will need some choline too. It is important substance which increases the levels of acetil-choline neurotransmitter in the brain. Only G won't do. Beside that, you want to buy some piracetam as well. THis you can take in the morning after you wake up. The reasoning behind taking the Piracetam is that curbs the side effects of the G. Usually when i take the supplements , next tday i am left with a very dull feeling, almost like having a bad hangover. It is not bad but Piracetam makes it much easier to go through out the day.

ps: drug test, even if they find it in your system it is nootropic drugs and those are not prohibited but allowed to take.

Originally Posted by TheKing

I received a bottle of Pro-Galantamine from Dreamamins (as opposed to what I ordered "Lucid Dream" which has Choline as well as Galantamine). I'm a bit nervous about taking this stuff now that I have it. I had my second induced lucid dream, but I am definitely hitting a wall.

Also, I haven't found much on Dreamamins, but they are recommended fairly frequently. Any chance that this stuff won't be pure galantamine? I really worry about my ability to pass random drug tests at work. Sorry for the paranoia...

Hi IcarusWilder,

I want to know more about your experience with the M.O. and Charles Luk's writing. I am reading his book taoist yoga and i have watched some of Mantak CHia movies and it seams that there are some major differences. I am not sure what is right and what is wrong. People usually say that you can get messed up by not doing the MO the right way, and I really want to try it but i do not want to be waisting my time with some practice that is not authentic and real.
Now, the Luk's book is interesting but the allegorical style makes it a bit vague and stuff such as freeze the fire, lead the fire, lower the fire, etc. , those do not make too much sense. The book points out on several occasions that in order to follow the right path one better get an enlightened teacher. Unfortunately i have no access to such commodity right now. So I am wondering if you can shed some light and give me some guidance, it is greatly appreciated.
thanks

Originally Posted by IcarusWilder

Interestingly I had a similar conversation with someone the other day about this. It seems to boil down to the immanent versus transcendent debate, "everyday mind" versus "cosmic consciousness," mindfulness versus the siddhis/supernormal perceptions/powers. I've practiced zen meditation in the Rinzai tradition, zen koans, mindfulness/open-awareness meditation and the Taoist microcosmic orbit (M.O.) in the tradition of Charles Luk's "Taoist Yoga." My most powerful OBE resulted from a combination of the M.O. with Zen Koans, but upon reflecting on the circumstances, it happened at 5:30 A.M. after waking up and doing the M.O. for a half hour, which really amounts to a WBTB, whatever one occupies the time with. I agree that one can become obsessed with the OBE or LD state, but the way I look at it, there are more meaningless things to be obsessed with. You're probably right that ultimately you need to let everything go, and paradoxically it was with that letting go that 3 years ago I found myself suspended in space listening to the music of the spheres. And yeah, I've been kind of obsessed with getting back there, so at least for the moment I'm going full speed ahead toward whatever Siddhis are beckoning, with the help of the supplements if necessary. The spiritual aspect of my practice is tending toward Kashmir Shaivism in the tradition of Swami Lakshmanjoo, with roots in that of Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta. I'm also exploring Vajrayana and the esoteric Taoist consciousness practice of the M.O. I've read some Mantak Chia as well, and he takes Taoist Yoga all the way, which is a little too far for me. I don't really do sitting meditation anymore, having now substituted "Dream Yoga" for waking body yoga or waking sitting meditation. The OBE / LD experience is so powerful, that I see meditation as a support for it rather than it as a support for or hinderance to meditation.

Originally Posted by manage71

Hi,

if you are trying the supplements , you will need some choline too. It is important substance which increases the levels of acetil-choline neurotransmitter in the brain. Only G won't do. Beside that, you want to buy some piracetam as well. THis you can take in the morning after you wake up. The reasoning behind taking the Piracetam is that curbs the side effects of the G. Usually when i take the supplements , next tday i am left with a very dull feeling, almost like having a bad hangover. It is not bad but Piracetam makes it much easier to go through out the day.

ps: drug test, even if they find it in your system it is nootropic drugs and those are not prohibited but allowed to take.

I decided it was too sketchy for my liking. The pills were homemade capsules, and while I saw no reviews, I am sure it was legitimate galantamine, but when I called them, the conversation we had made me unwilling to put their products in my body. First off, like I said, they sent me the wrong product. When I requested a refund, they said no refunds allowed, when their website says it is. I finally get refund permission, and they give me another address to send it to, and claim that'll send a check. Checks can be canceled after issuing, so I just washed my hands of it, and chalked it as a loss. While I have no doubt it was probably fine, I didn't feel confident at all with taking this product.

I bought some Galantamine + Choline from dreamamins.com and I will recieve the bottle in a few days hopefully. Is the "hangover" really that bad? I haven't bought the Piracetam. I haven't tried to WILD yet, and I don't think I will be able to without lucid aids, but my question is: Can I WBTB / MILD on this pill? Will it work the same?

Calea question: I got some Calea from a DV member, and I'm wondering if that also might be something I could WILD on. I really wanna give WILD a try.

I won't take these things regularly, and never more than once a week, and a week apart aswell.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Matte87

I bought some Galantamine + Choline from dreamamins.com and I will recieve the bottle in a few days hopefully. Is the "hangover" really that bad? I haven't bought the Piracetam. I haven't tried to WILD yet, and I don't think I will be able to without lucid aids, but my question is: Can I WBTB / MILD on this pill? Will it work the same?

Calea question: I got some Calea from a DV member, and I'm wondering if that also might be something I could WILD on. I really wanna give WILD a try.

I won't take these things regularly, and never more than once a week, and a week apart aswell.

Thanks!

I dont really get any hangover effect from the pills, but everyone is different. And you should be able to to MILD with it, you dont have to try and WILD.

I sometimes get a bit of a hangover effect. 1 pill is generally not bad at all, but when I took 2 pills, it chalked up there with the worst headaches I've ever experienced! 1 pill totally does the trick for me though. My tolerance to it is very low, and I only take it about once a week.

You can MILD with it just fine. In fact, I prefer it that way. Sorry I haven't emailed you yet, Matte... life is hectic atm!

I had a terrible experience the other night with G. I took it and went into sp and started hearing my dad running down my hallway screaming omg omg omg. I woke myself up but went back into sp after. This time I heard this girl screaming in my ears and making this scary noise. I heard her three more times after going into sp multiple times. Finally I became lucid in my room, but kept going from my dream body to my real body. A few times I was able to get up and go through my wall but i would wake up. The last time I became lucid but couldnt put my hand through my wall so I figured I was awake. So I got in my bed and looked up and this guy was kneeling over me. Ir looked like the guy from the movie jeepers creepers and it was the most terrifying thing I have experienced in my life. I kept telling myself its my dream, I can make him go away and would close my eyes. But when I opened them he would be closer to my face and was making this loud breathing screaching noise. Finally, i forced my real eyes open and woke up. I was mad because I let the dream take control and scare me, even though I knew I was dreaming.

Hollllllly moly Nrelax.... That would make me not want to go back to sleep for the rest of the night!

Thats one of the things Yuschak warns you about, it can be hellsa scary at times. Don't worry though, given time you get used to it. I plan to get back on my LDS things to help me break out of a terrible dry spell

Ah alright MILD it is! I will try WILD out another day when I'm more used to the pills. That sounds like an awesome experience NrElAx! Scary but totally awesome.

Haha it was a fun experience looking back at it. God the things I've experienced while taking G&C are crazy. Glad I bought the stuff. And the good thing is its been helping me become lucid without it, which I didn't think was going to happen. But its been short lucids