Thread: Galantamine + Choline

G+C should be done during WBTB. I cant imagine taking it before bed...

that's what I thought. Jed001 said he took his at the beginning of the night with succes. I don't feel I could fall asleep if I did it that way.

Originally Posted by WhatsReal

that's what I thought. Jed001 said he took his at the beginning of the night with succes. I don't feel I could fall asleep if I did it that way.

the first time i tried G+C i took a double dose before i tried WBTB and it made me real jittery i could not relax . so the following week i did it right before bed and it was great. i may try a single dose during my next WBTB and see what happens

Originally Posted by zhineTech

G+C should be done during WBTB. I cant imagine taking it before bed...

first time i took it was during a WBTB no good , second time i took it right before i went to bed woke up 2.5 hours later did WBTB and it work almost intsantly. third time i am going to try taking it before WBTB but a lower dose

BY double dose you are saying 8mg of gal. And 400 mg choline? That's what I always take, my galantamine caps are already 8 mg I can't really cut them in half or I would.

I may try it at the beginning of the night. For some reasone I feel like it would be alot easier to WILD.... As you said, it happened almost instantly. How long are you staying awake during WBTB? Sometimes it takes me over an hour to WILD I would love to speed that up.

Originally Posted by WhatsReal

BY double dose you are saying 8mg of gal. And 400 mg choline? That's what I always take, my galantamine caps are already 8 mg I can't really cut them in half or I would.

I may try it at the beginning of the night. For some reasone I feel like it would be alot easier to WILD.... As you said, it happened almost instantly. How long are you staying awake during WBTB? Sometimes it takes me over an hour to WILD I would love to speed that up.

for me it seemed less than 5 minutes, normally it takes me forever to wild, but this time it was so fast that i was like, oh shit i'm in now what . i am new to takeing suplements so i am still trying different doses and times and i will see what works best

GM + Choline has had about a 80% success rate for me.

I took it last night after a long break. Worked like a charm, though I have lost some control over the dreams from lack of practice.

Originally Posted by ethan_hines

I have tried the following

• Binaural Audio
• Monroe Institute Gateway Program Just up to Focus 10
• Monroe hemi-sync Lucid Dreaming DVD
• Steve G Jones Lucid Dreaming Platinum Version
• Advanced Dream Nutition Dreamscape
• Calea Zacatechichi tea (never again!)
• Entada Rhedii (opened the shell ate the endosperm)
• Kava Kava (homemade tasted like drinking sand!)
• Life Enhancement Galantamind 8mg

The only time I've had consistent results is after listening to I-dosers Lucid Dream but none of the other Binuarals have any effect on me. To date I've had approximately 3 or 4 DILDs.
The only enthogen I havn't tried is Selenine Capensis. That's the next on the list god I hope it doesn't tase as bad as CZ and KK.

i dont believe any of that binaural / hemi-sync stuff is good for anything other than getting you relaxed enough to perform LD techniques. you need to work more on your basics as mentioned above. you can't expect an outside force to do the work for you. you can do it!

having said that... you really need to combine choline w/ the galantamine for it to assist you properly.

I took 4mg galantamine and 200mg alpha-gpc at WBTB followed by 2400mg piracetam immediately on waking. It gives me lucids 90% of the time. Every other day was too often, and so I took it every 3rd day. After recently stopping for about 10 days, I realized that it made me very drowsy, lethargic, foggy and unable to concentrate.. It did give me regular lucids but in retrospect, it seems to have affected me quite badly during the day. I tried 3x2400mg piracetam for the last few days and found that I can concentrate and focus REALLY well. I don't really intend to continue it though. Adding choline made the effects even better. Therefore I put the negative effects down to the galantamine. Great for short term lucids, but I don't feel that you can progress on it.

^ I certainly wouldn't recommend it on a regular basis. I couldn't imagine taking it every few days, as I would certainly burn out from it.

I would use it, rarely, as a kick to help get out of a dry spell.

Ordered some Galantamine the other day. Pretty excited...

If people are still suffering from upset stomach etc the day after Galantamine, it might be worth trying a cold shower. Start hot then flick to cold. I find a cold shower helps normalize every one of the body's systems. It might balance the body, and help to detox any excess Galantamine too. Women pregnant or on their monthly cycle shouldn't cold shower, and some people say its not good for anyone with heart disease.

A few questions, if anyone has some free time. I haven't seen these answered in the thread so far.

1. What do you think is the best cycle of Galantamine? 2 ON 2 OFF 2 ON, or 1 ON, 1 OFF, 1 ON?

2. Does anyone know any herbs that help with Galantamine side effects, or synergize with it to help dreams?

2.5 Do you think Galantamine would work with Calea Z or African Dream herb, or is that justt oo much?,

3. Has anyone gone from near zero success to big success using only Galantamine?

4. Has anyone felt any tightness in the chest, increased heart rate or blood pressure on Galantamine?

5. What techniques work best combined with Galantamine?

Thx

I can report very poor success with "Memerone". When I take it, I simly can't go back to sleep :/ I have tried a limited dose, and combination with different other things like the frequently mentioned L-Theanine, Valarian, even Melatonine. Maybe I'm getting a bit too excitet in the first half hour after taking it, but certainly after half an hour I get a rush in my head that makes me feel uncomfortable and my night is definately over then.
Any suggestions what I can do to prevent this?

Originally Posted by Dowzen

4. Has anyone felt any tightness in the chest, increased heart rate or blood pressure on Galantamine?

I've heard it can be a problem, and a couple years ago when I was active on the board Dannon Onieronaut warned me about possible heart related issues. He didn't have any personal experience with it, only passing on something he had read and warning me to be cautious with it. But shortly after that, with his warning in mind, I did experience a slow and somewhat irregular heartbeat on G+C. Like I said though, it was years ago, and hard to remember details now. I probably wrote it down in my DJ, need to check on that.

All this said, nobody else on this thread seems to have mentioned SLOW or irregular heart rate (I just re-read almost the entire thread). Some people did mention their heart rate sped up after taking it.

I wonder if it might have been simply power of suggestion, or maybe I dreamed my heart rate slowed? Ahh... need to check what I wrote in my DJ... hopefully I detailed it pretty well there.

***EDIT***

Ok, checked the DJ, and apparently I definitely didn't dream the slow irregular heart rate, it happened an hour after taking the G+C combo, before I was able to fall back asleep. It's in this entry: http://www.dreamviews.com/f107/becau...ml#post1429173



Hard to say, especially after two years. To be entirely fair about this, that was the only time I ever noticed such a thing while taking the G+C combo, which I had taken many times before. It could have just been a fluke... especially since all the other people report their heart rate sped up, not slowed down. I guess I'll be able to report new data on this soon, as I've ordered a bottle of Galantamind - heh, after 2 years I had actually forgotten about the heart rate thing.

Thanks Darkmatters,

Well I've read a ton of testimonials and I haven't seen too many people mention the heart. I'll probably start very slowly, with 2mg. I wonder if there's something (not Piracetam) that you could balance with GM to make it safer. If you go that route you'd really have to know what you're doing though...

I suppose we can hope its safe for most people...

Any suggestions what I can do to prevent this?

Hey Tulamidan,

The only thing I can think of would be to do 30-60 minutes of Tai Chi or Yoga before taking the pill. Maybe the rushes are caused by a build up of energy and you'll need to learn how to release/calm it down...

I tried Galantamind (4mg of Galantamine and 200mg of Choline) + 600mg of Alpha GPC after sleeping for 5 hours. The level of clarity and duration of this dream was insane!

I got some Piracetam (800mg capsules). Do I just pop 3 after I do a Galantamine dream attempt? This weekend (possibly even tomorrow night) I was to try two Galantaminds during a WBTB. My goal here is to follow Thomas Yuschek's suggestion of doing 5 Galantamine influenced lucid dreams. I have had little to no success going without supplements and doing a WILD, so I figured if I can experience the transition a few times, maybe that will help.

Yeah, just take the P after you get up. I used to keep a water bottle next to the bed and whatever pills I wanted to take already out and waiting. make things easy on yourself, especially since you might not be thinking too clearly during a WBTB or when you first get up in the morning.

"The level of clarity and duration of this dream was insane!"

... No lucidity though?

When the dream came to me, I kind of knew I was dreaming, but as it went on, I got lost in the plot.

I got some Piracetam (800mg capsules). Do I just pop 3 after I do a Galantamine dream attempt?

I've never tried Galantamine but I've tried Piracetam. Personally 800mg made me think clearer but also made me a little out of breath. It's thought of as safe but some people can run into side effects. 2400mg might be fine for most people but I would make sure you started slowly just in case.

The theory behind Piracetam clearing out Galantamine seems logical. But as some people have said, we its good to be careful of popping too many pills without caution.

Originally Posted by Dowzen

Ordered some Galantamine the other day. Pretty excited...

If people are still suffering from upset stomach etc the day after Galantamine, it might be worth trying a cold shower. Start hot then flick to cold. I find a cold shower helps normalize every one of the body's systems. It might balance the body, and help to detox any excess Galantamine too. Women pregnant or on their monthly cycle shouldn't cold shower, and some people say its not good for anyone with heart disease.

A few questions, if anyone has some free time. I haven't seen these answered in the thread so far.

1. What do you think is the best cycle of Galantamine? 2 ON 2 OFF 2 ON, or 1 ON, 1 OFF, 1 ON?

2. Does anyone know any herbs that help with Galantamine side effects, or synergize with it to help dreams?

2.5 Do you think Galantamine would work with Calea Z or African Dream herb, or is that justt oo much?,

3. Has anyone gone from near zero success to big success using only Galantamine?

4. Has anyone felt any tightness in the chest, increased heart rate or blood pressure on Galantamine?

5. What techniques work best combined with Galantamine?

Thx

I'd say do one day on, four days off. I started using it every other day and built a tolerance to it. But I haven't used it in 6 months now, so I'm gonna get back on it. I went from zero results to having lucids every time I took it. I only had one natural lucid before taking it, but that was a year before taking g &c and a yea before I started lucid dreaming again. I only felt a fast heart beat and vibration with it because I would go into sleep paralysis immediately after 30 minutes of taking the pill. And I always took it during a wbtb and either had a dild or vild. I went into sp soo many times from it, it was crazy. I also had some of the craziest sp experiences and false awakenings from it. Awesome stuff.

Ok, my Glantamind came in yesterday, already had the L-theanine and Piracetam. Did a WBTB, but after only about an hour and a half of sleep... so not ideal timing. I can happily report no heart-related issues this time. Also, looking back at my DJ where I did have heart issues before, I had also overdone exercise that day, which might account for it.

As for the Galantamine/ Choline experience, I had a very hard time remembering any dreams, and what I do remember was more like almost frozen images or very slow-moving ones with thoughts associated, and most of the thoughts were "I need to remember this". Funny... the last image I had just as I was waking up, the only one I could remember for a long time, was like a page of thumbnail images, I assume images from the dreams, and I thought "Oh cool, I can save this as a PDF and look at it after I wake up!" Too bad it didn't work that way...

Man, my brain and body just felt lit up with the Galantamine/Choline! But as usual with that combo, there was a grogginess or logginess and my mind seemed to be working very slowly, like trudging through a swamp.

I took one Galantamind capsule (4 mg) plus 200 mg of L-Theanine, then 2400 mg of Piracetam after waking up.

I'd also like to add... the first dream was extremely vivid... I was awakened directly from it by the phone ringing, which might account for why I remember it better. Fell back asleep after that and the rest don't seem nearly as vivid, though as I said I had a very hard time remembering them.

Hey, here's a question...

I know some people take G+C 2 nights in a row, but I used Piracetam to clear my system today, so would it be pointless to take the G+C again tonight? I'm sure if I read through the entire thread I can find the answer, but it would take hours...

Not really expecting an answer before I hit the sack (actually I'm getting pretty sleepy already) - so I'll just give it a try and see what happens. But would be nice to see the answer tomorrow. Or if anybody posts it in the very near future maybe.

Atleast three days off before you take it again, or you'll begin to build up a tolerance to it.

Ok thanks. Wow, you look pretty intimidating in that picture, I better listen to you!

I remember seeing some people on this thread take it 2 nights in a row, and then maybe dry out for a few days. But I don't want to develop a tolerance, so I'll only do it maybe twice a week, with three days in between.

As for my experiment last night, I went ahead and took 1 Galantamind capsule with 200mg L-Theanine after 3 hours sleep. And remember, I had done the same last night and cleared my palette with 2400mg Piracetam after waking up.

No lucidity, but I remember a very long and very pleasant dream. I wonder if maybe just the B5 in the Galantamind capsule had an effect? There was none of the groggy feeling I usually get on G, no problems moving around or seeing properly in the dream - no sense of being drunk. In fact I seemed to float or drift effortlessly through the entire dream at walking level, until I needed to boost myself up over a wall and some people's heads, when I found a little extra effort could easily lift me up that high. Woke up today feeling great!

***EDIT***

Oh, and I also want to add, not the slightest hint of heart problems at all. I'm now convinced the problem I had before was from too much exercise and had nothing at all to do with Galantamine.

Haha I haven't heard of heart problems when using Galantamine. Also yeah that's a good idea, I'm dangerous!

What I've found out while using this lucid aid, is that taking it after more than 6 hours of sleep is not good. I usually have a very hard time falling back asleep and if I do, if I would wake up an hour later (usually have many dreams by then) I can't go back to sleep.

6 hours is the limit for me. And I only use it once a week if even that.