Thread: lucid dreaming book

good Idea kromoh, jeff should write the back cover because thats what most people read first and that will make them want to read it

edit: should I create a thread in general lucid discussion to have people post the tech that works for them best?

edit: I'm not going to wait so I just will, I will encourage the use of dream views techs

Originally Posted by sugarglider11

did you add anything from yesterday, if you did could you post?

No; but nearly all three paragraphs allude to how good lucid dreaming is, added with the example. How much we sleep away is in paragraph 3.

Gestalt, we could have your version on the book itself and Jeff's version on the back cover or something. Just an idea

Sounds good.

Alright I'll try and have most/all of the chapter posted tonight.

this is going nicely, make sure you check out my thread in general lucid discussion and use many dream views techs, I posted this idea because dream views has techs no one else has.

have some like fild deild and grild(this one works with a piano too)

I've got some free time so I'm going to try to put together some history and research. Hopefully I'll post it up tonight.

cool, I didnt think you were helping much, all I thought you were doind was giving us ideas. this project is going so well.

Hey, I'm a writer, I have to feel important

Has anyone talked with seeker about using his quick start tutorial?

I dont think any of us has talked to anyone about anything, you could do that actually I think jeff should, because you are getting history and stuff, Im getting techs, and gest is writing. maybe kromoh could too

Here is LaBerge's book outline. This is for brainstorming ONLY, I am in no way saying we should steal this outline, just that it might help in arranging our chapters a little better.

Chapter 1: Awake In Your DreamsIntroduction to lucid dreaming. Why be lucid? The uses of consciousness. Lucid dreaming and the potential for promoting personal growth and self-development, enhancing self- confidence, improving mental and physical health, facilitating creative problem-solving, and helping you to progress on the path to self-mastery.
Chapter 2: The Origins And History Of Lucid DreamingAristotle on lucid dreams. St. Augustine and the nature of the eyes with which we see in dreams. Tibetan dream yogis and comprehending the nature of form and mind. Spanish Sufi Ibn El-Arabi and the value of controlling thoughts in a dream. Nineteen Century dreamers: Hervey de Saint-Denys and learning to dream consciously, van Eeden and the re-integration of psychic functions, Freud and awareness during dreaming. Ouspensky and half-dream states, Moers-Messmer and the use of "key words" to remember one is dreaming, Rapport and the delights of lucid dreaming.
Chapter 3: The New World Of Lucid DreamingScientific studies of sleep and dreaming. Dreaming and REM sleep. The psychophysiological approach to dream research. The stages of sleep. Laboratory studies of lucid dreaming: the impossible dream proved true.
Chapter 4: Exploring The Dream World: Lucid Dreamers In The LaboratoryMapping out the dream world. Dream time. Breathing. Singing and counting. Sexual activity. Significance: dreams are real to the dreamer, and produce real effects on the brain and body.
Chapter 5: The Experience Of Lucid DreamingWho is the dreamer? Cognitive functions: differences between waking and dreaming. Motivation and expectation. Varieties of action: The question of control. Emotional quality. Perceptual quality. Entry into the lucid dream state. Termination of the dream state. The Spinning Technique. A coherent knowledge of sleep life?
Chapter 6: Learning Lucid DreamingLearning to dream. Potential for lucid dreaming. Dream recall. Learning lucid dreaming. Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dreams (MILD). Future access to the lucid dream state.
Chapter 7: The Practical Dreamer: Applications Of Lucid DreamingThe healing dream. Nightmares and anxiety reduction. Decision making. Creative problem solving. Rehearsal. Wish fulfillment.
Chapter 8: Dreaming: Function And MeaningThe Interpretation of Dreams revisited. The activation-synthesis model of dreaming. Dreaming to forget? The functions of dreaming and the advantages of consciousness. The meaning of dreaming.
Chapter 9: Dreaming, Illusion, And RealityDreams: the origin of the "soul"? Dream telepathy. Being out-of-body is all in your mind. Dreams and their relationship to physical reality. Critically questioning anomalies occurring during dreams. "Out-of-body" sensation vs. "out-of body" experience. Tibetan Buddhism and the subjective nature of all our experiences. Development of the child's understanding of dreaming. Consciousness as a mental model of the world. Dream body as representation of our actual physical body. "Leaving the body" in mental space, not physical space. Mutual dreaming? Shared dream plots vs. shared dream worlds.
Chapter 10: Dreaming, Death, And TranscendenceDreaming and death. The association between death and transformation. Near-Death Experiences. NDEs exhibit varying degrees of completeness. Ring's five-stage continuum of OBEs. Noyes' pattern of favorable attitude change resulting from NDEs. Tibetan dream yoga: recognizing the entire universe of forms as illusory experience. Dreams of transcendence help us detach from fixed ideas about ourselves. Essential being transcends space and time.
Epilogue: Alive In Your LifeAre we awake? The Precious Jewel. An invitation to become involved in exploring the world of lucid dreaming.

Okay, so I have about 13 pages of history and info. considering gestalt is writing, I'll probably have to send an attachment.

Unless she wants me to try to write this chapter; either or, just let me know.

Considering this is supposed to be a dreamviews book, we NEED to get as much forum participation as possible, which means we need blatant advertisement to get people to participate and we need to talk about what info we need.

First off, I think we should have multiple polls about ALL the techniques we are going to write about. How effective are they for you, how long does it take on average, how many times do you achieve a lucid using this technique, and so on, not just one poll asking what their favorite technique is, (although that is useful information too).

Now that I'm thinking about it, we could use a dedicated forum to just our research and see if we can get the admins to make a reference to it for us, because the post count of 60,000 in general discussion is kind of killing the 400 in this forum.

maybe a layout for our book

Chapter 1 Intro: tells about lucid dreaming with a few examples. talks about what the rest of the book is about and a little about the techniques.

insert more chapters here

history and research
Dreaming and dream recall
dream adventures

insert more chapters here

chapter 2 aids: b6, taking showers around 5 am bannanas cheese, cafine and other lucid aids.
chapter 3 dild: discusses reality checks, and wich one works best. mentions several dild techniques like wbtb.
chapter 4 wild: mild wild deild grild hild, many diferent ones discused here, discusses the transition from waking to metioning the vibrations and spinning
chapter 5 how it can help: this one will include many examples and tell how lucid dreaming helped peoples lives improve.
chapter 6 destroying nightmares: again many examples, talks about how lucid dreaming can destroy your nightmares
chapter 7 summary: summarize the book

edit: cat I had the same idea about a separate forum, it would make this whole thing more organized

I've been writing about dream cycles udner the context of "Before we plunge into the vast study of lucid dreaming it is important to understand some principles of the sleeping cycle." Should this still go in chapter one? I belive it would be fine, and can be referenced back to when needed later in the book.

And need I don't have any objections to you writing chapter 2 if you want, though I'm happy to do it otherwise.

could you please post?

lol you changed your avatar again

sugarglider, just a thing: WBTB technique can be used for DILD, WILD and dream recall. I don't see any particular reason for it to go under the DILD chapter.

I'm gonna talk to a few DV members concerning tutorials. I'll post my results as soon as I have any.

good, that was just a rough draft layout things can be moved around, I made it so that you guys could edit it and make it better and give me sugestions.

Originally Posted by GestaltAlteration

I've been writing about dream cycles udner the context of "Before we plunge into the vast study of lucid dreaming it is important to understand some principles of the sleeping cycle." Should this still go in chapter one? I belive it would be fine, and can be referenced back to when needed later in the book.

And need I don't have any objections to you writing chapter 2 if you want, though I'm happy to do it otherwise.

I'm happy for you to do it too
I'll PM you my stuff I looked up

I've selected the most prominent tutorials on the Tutorial section myself, and messaged their creators asking permission to adapt and use their work on the project, credit being given to them.

I didn't message GesltaltAlteration on his WILD tutorial though (which was selected by me) since he's part of the group.

What follows is a list of who I've messaged and the tutorials asked for. If there's any other tutorial worth adding as well, tell me and I'll message the rightful author.

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• Seeker - Quick Start Tutorial
  
  
• Clairity - Clairity's Wild Technique
  permission given to adapt and use - conditions: discuss a compensation for the idea, prior to a possible publishment
  
  
• wasup - Increasing Dream Realism
  permission given to adapt and use - conditions: receive a copy of the adapted material; be cited for a name other than wasup
  
  
• irishcream - Sleep Paralysis Tutorial
  
  
• arby - How to VILD effectively
  permission given to adapt and use
  
  
• Klace - Dream Exit Induced Lucid Dream
  
  
• Hargarts - Finger Induced Lucid Dream
  
  
• GestaltAlteration - Wake-Initiated Lucid Dream
  permission given to use and alter
  
  
• GestaltAlteration - Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dreams
  permission given to use and alter

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I'm waiting for the respective replies.


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@ GestaltAlteration:

On behalf of the project group, I do as well have to ask you permission to use your work (just in case the corresponding part is not written by you).
We're planning to adapt and use your brilliantly well-written tutorials (Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dreams and Wake-Initiated Lucid Dream) for the book project. You will be given credit for it, of course. Have in mind that the right to refuse is all yours.

Feel free to post or PM me your reply.
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Suggestions, recommendations, and any further notes are always welcome.

Enthusiastic regards,

EDIT: listing the updates on the permissions situation

You have my permission Kromoh, of course. You also have permission to alter or edit it in any way you see fit to make it better and or more effective.

@Needcatscan: Holy crap that's a lot of information. Chapter two should be "fun" -grin-

kromoh you should add grild, deild, and fild.

could you send me the info, I would like to see

sugarglider, I believe I can base on GRILD to create a more general technique. GRILD consists of repeating an action when WILDing, and this can be done in any way. A bright idea for a technique... maybe we can use GRILD as an example of it.

I'm PMing Klace and Hargarts now.

EDIT: PMed them and added them to the list, see above

You guys are planning on making A book that’s half comprised of copy & paste tutorials?

Personally, I'd have to say that’s not a very good idea. Where the hell's the readability in that? What happens when the tuts contradict each other? And really, you might as well write a one-page book that simply has this site's address in it. It might even be more helpful because we can answer questions.

Make a book that teaches HOW to lucid dream yourself. Not one that tells you how to follow some handy dandy "3 step method" but rather teach the underlying knowledge and lets you make your own technique. Of course, you would give some of the better proven methods as examples, but the method that works best for most people is the one they tailor for themselves after they have accumulated the required knowledge about dreaming.

Take a look at my VILD tut (the one that you're thinking of using). The method isn't the main learning point there. I tried to really leave the HOW alone and give the WHAT and WHY. Why do I do that? So they can understand what they are doing and improve upon it according to how they think and work.

If we made a book that teaches someone all the underlying knowledge without getting caught up in bedtime rituals, and we might just have a LD holy grail on our hands. (of course, a chapter for bedtime rituals might be in order too.)

Also, who says it has to be a boring pure info book? Who here has seen Waking Life? What makes that movie such a god dam epic leaning tool? Could it be that it’s not a monotone voice spilling out semi-interesting facts in a semi-interesting way?

I love the intro. But in its current state, its just text on a page. I really expected more guys. Wheres the immersement? We're making a book about immesing yourself in a fantastic dream world and delivering it in a totally medicore way????

Have some random old man sit next to you on a bench and deliver it. Now theres some vivid imagery. I just modified it to show what you could do.

"Exhilarating, freeing, and awe-inspiring are only a few ways to describe the wonder that is lucid dreaming."

"What?"

"Through them everything is possible: you could fly over a sunbathed city, shift through walls, feel incredible joy, compose music, create your own worlds, and influence any aspect of your dream. The best news is this vast realm of possibility is available to any who peruse it. These old eyes may not be able to see much, but lad, you look like you could use some lucid dreams."

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Or you could just ignore me and continue on. =)

Just consider what I said, mmkay?

Oh, and you have permission to use any of my tuts in whole or in part and all that fun stuff. Copy pasta or not.

Uhhh, alright. A bit angry there, eh? "Constructive" criticism of this caliber doesn't help much. I don't know why you're so pissed over the creation of a book, one that doesn't necessarily intend tutorials to be the "main learning tool" but rather a vast toolbox to use and expand upon after underlying lucid knowledge has been obtained.

If you think it's fucking mediocre than why don't you try and give some actual advice that we can use, instead of hopping on here and, more or less, attacking each and every one of us here. We have a good idea here, and while still flawed, I don't need to see you getting on here with your pissy attitude trying to burn it to the ground because you don't like what you've seen so far. Books can take months or years with plenty of time to spice it up. Ever heard of a rough draft? A FIRST outline?

I'll contact seeker. And may I just add, needacatscan, it's great to have you on board.

Originally Posted by GestaltAlteration

Uhhh, alright. A bit angry there, eh?

No, not angry. =( I probably seem a little heavy handed but thats the way I make a point =O.

If you think it's fucking mediocre than why don't you try and give some actual advice that we can use, instead of hopping on here and, more or less, attacking each and every one of us here. We have a good idea here, and while still flawed, I don't need to see you getting on here with your pissy attitude trying to burn it to the ground because you don't like what you've seen so far. Books can take months or years with plenty of time to spice it up. Ever heard of a rough draft? A FIRST outline?

Sorry, i'm really not trying to attack your ideas. From what i'd seen in this thread, thats where it looked like it was going. You evidently don't feel very warmly to what i've said. Perhaps it was the way I wrote it perhaps its the content... but do consider what i've said, eh?

I'm sure the book will be good either way. (like I said, I think your intro was pretty sexy) But promise me you won't copy pasta tutorials and say "All the required knowledge is in here! Go learn!". Instead what I suggest is to break off the main ideas from each (most have similar ones) and put those together.

Did I even say that last time? I dunno. Perhaps thats why I fail in english. But thats the point I really wanted to get across.