Thread: Power Lines?

I've run into powerlines on at least three occasions when trying to increase altitude in an LD. If it isn't powerlines it's tree branches. It's really kind of frustrating. I am trying to work on this very problem.

Thanks for the reply. I think it's really interesting that others have this experience. (There is one other thread about this that I should have checked for before posting I guess)

: ) I've hit some branches before too. I guess in some sense it's not too suprising since we are surrounded by such things in every day waking reality.But what really gets me ,when I think of it is, the ego self in the LD does not intend for this. This implies a constraint or well placed responsive,intelligent decision that is made beyond the ego's perception that is meant to obstruct or contain in these instances. What creates this ?

I am starting to wonder if it has something to do with my brain being freaked out about the lack of tactile sensations. I am experimenting with using the wind as something to focus on. Getting above all obstacles is my current dream goal, so I will let you know how it goes.

Cool, I love to hear other's insights. Using the wind seems like a great idea. (If I get your meaning )I have done something like this before I think,by surrendering my will to the dream space. This resulted in being carried off from time to time,with a few surprising results that I could have never imagined. ( Recently I've been working on getting past appearences .)

Off to bed,I just took 1 mg of melatonin...

Originally Posted by jeffd

. This resulted in being carried off from time to time,with a few surprising results that I could have never imagined. ( Recently I've been working on getting past appearences .)

Can you go into closer detail? Just looking to see if im not going crazy misinterpreting stuff

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

Can you go into closer detail? Just looking to see if im not going crazy misinterpreting stuff

Yes,what I meant was: A few times I have allowed the dream itself to 'take' me somewhere while flying. I just surrendered my intention and will to a sort of 'wind' or, guiding 'force' - and allowed what ever was to happen,just happen. Things like tours of cities,apparent planets,and landscapes occured, along with meetings with 'DC's. Does that make sense?

Also about the appearances,that is really a separate issue.Sometimes I encounter visually shocking things ,and if I react strongly I tend to wake too early. It's been a recent goal to overcome this.

Moved. There is nothing Beyond Dreaming about this. It is only natural that you would dream about something such as power lines, as they exist in the world like anything else. I do not think it represents anything in particular, it just is what it is. Like a tree is a tree. You dream about trees because they are there in real life. So are power lines. And clouds. And cell phone towers. And mountains. When I leave through my window I always have to fuse through a window screen, because it's there. The only way I can leave through my window without fusing through the screen is to punch a hole through it or remove the screen. You get the point.

Huh. I didn't even realize this was in Beyond Dreaming, since I'm just using Live Posts. I agree with the move.

However, I do definitely get the feeling that branches and powerlines are a barrier in my dreams. Not just there like the grass or the trees. The always appear when I try to gain height in a dream and hold me down. I don't know about you, but I am always having to learn to go through barriers in lucids. At first I couldn't open doors, but I eventually learned. It took me a few different dreams to get through MY window screen, but now I can phase through it. The power lines and branches are just my latest barrier. I am sure I will conquer them as well. I am not sure if this makes any sense, but it does seem like my subconscious puts obstacles in my way when I am trying to get something I want. But it is really interesting for me to learn to get through them.

Whatever....The reason I posted in beyond dreaming is because I think of these as 'barriers';but I do not believe the origin ,or cause necessarily lies entirely within brain function. I believe there is some deeper reason for the representations of such obstacles-this where I wanted to discussion to peacefully go without someone trying to tell me there is some homunculus within my brain tissue experiencing what other brain cells somehow 'created' randomly. ( I have personal proof that the brain is not the sole generator of experience;but that is another topic)

The only boundaries within a lucid dream are the ones created by your own mind.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

The only boundaries within a lucid dream are the ones created by your own mind.

Stole the words right out of my mouth.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

The only boundaries within a lucid dream are the ones created by your own mind.

You must at least mean 'subconscious mind' since the conscious mind is not creating this boundary. If you mean to say mind = brain=matter,then what accounts for the apparently intelligent decision(s) behind the placement of an obstacle?

Even if one argues that unconscious electrochemical impulses,that do not represent the self, in other various brain modules are the only things transparently putting on this show-the fact remains that we do not fly in waking life. Therefore we have never had the waking life input-experience of flying into a powerline or branch.(or flying at all for that matter)This experience is not stored in the brain as such.

So why the 'unconscious' choice of a powerline, or branch, over say ,a net,a cloud,a plane,a blimp,a fog or anything else that could be placed there ?

I am asking because some other Lucid Dreamers seem to have this experience too. When did a powerline become a sort of archetype for obstruction when we do not collectively fly into them except for in dreams ? So then,how does a dream archetype transfer to others,especially when it's meaning is completely different in waking reality and forms different associations? ( power,energy,electric, )

Originally Posted by jeffd

You must at least mean 'subconscious mind' since the conscious mind is not creating this boundary. If you mean to say mind = brain=matter,then what accounts for the apparently intelligent decision(s) behind the placement of an obstacle?

Even if one argues that unconscious electrochemical impulses,that do not represent the self, in other various brain modules are the only things transparently putting on this show-the fact remains that we do not fly in waking life. Therefore we have never had the waking life input-experience of flying into a powerline or branch.(or flying at all for that matter)This experience is not stored in the brain as such.

So why the 'unconscious' choice of a powerline, or branch, over say ,a net,a cloud,a plane,a blimp,a fog or anything else that could be placed there ?

I am asking because some other Lucid Dreamers seem to have this experience too. When did a powerline become a sort of archetype for obstruction when we do not collectively fly into them except for in dreams ? So then,how does a dream archetype transfer to others,especially when it's meaning is completely different in waking reality and forms different associations? ( power,energy,electric, )

Well idk why YOU fly into power lines or trees but I did because i was worried about running into stuff. Part of it could be subconscious but I think for the most part it's your conscious mind. Tonight if you have a lucid you will probably fly into a net because of what you said/thought above.