Dream Guide? My experience - What are they anyway?

[kdhoward83]

Im new to lucid dreaming and what happened last night left me so confused and intrigued. My dream became lucid randomly after interacting with a character in my dream who was shocked when I touched her and realized I was "dreamer" (whatever that means). Its a bit fuzzy what happens next, but I was standing in front of a woman (not the same girl I touched) who looked like Rebecca Mader (pic below). I don't have any fascination with this woman, nor have thought about her for years since I watched the show Lost. I have no idea why she took that form. Her "You're lucid dreaming, pretty amazing isn't it? Me: "Yeah" (she tells me to look at my hand and it comes in focus with more detail than I could ever see in real life) Her:"You can do anything you want." Me: "What if I want this to be a sex dream?" Her (chuckles and smiles): "Sure this can be a sex dream, I like those too, I can be whoever you want me to be" Me: (I decide that would be a waste and fly around a bit, then land back next to her) Me: "So I can go anywhere I want right?" Her: "Yup, anywhere you want to go" Me: "Eiffel tower!" (effiel tower appears infront of us) Her: (smiling at me) "Fun isnt it?" We end up walking down the street together where I interact with a few other DCs and try a few things like putting my hand through walls and growing a 6th finger. These other DCs just seem like dumb drones. This woman seems like she can read my mind and I get this feeling that I've known her forever. So I ask her: Me: "Who are you anyway, what is this" Her: "It doesn't really matter" Me: "What do you mean? You're not like these others. Why are you different?" Her: (looks visibly annoyed and gives me a drop it look) "I said it doesn't matter" Her: "Look Keith, you're a good person, you have a strong personality... just sometimes you get a little wild" Me: "Well at least tell me this. Are you me?" Her: (confused look) "What? How could I be you? You're you." Me: "No, I mean, are you my subconscious?" Her: (lovingly laughs) "No, I'm not your subconscious" Dream fades and I wake up literally asking myself out loud "Who was that?" I felt so connected to this person. She literally read my mind at points in the dream and just sort of followed me throughout helping sometimes but mostly watching. I'm not spiritual or religious.. and I have no idea what happened last night. It was just so... strange.... Best thing I can describe it is like the matrix. I realized I was dreaming and I could tell she wasn't a drone like all the other people walking around, but an "agent" who was also above the dream. I just felt it / could sense it. So my question... what the hell was that? Im assuming it was my "Dream Guide"? Was I just talking to my own subconscious? It sure didn't feel like it.

[Linkzelda]

Wow, I am envious of you. It all depends on your point of view. You declare that you aren't spiritual or religious, but most people who are would say that the entity you had such a blissful time with is probably beyond your subconscious, some people believe it is your subconscious. Maybe if you become lucid again, you demand the person you met to tell you the truth of who she really is. I mean if she was able to interact with you deeply compared to the others, she has to respect your confusion and give you some modicum of solace by at least informing you that she is your Dream Guide. I'm taking this from generalization from opinions of others, but when you meet her next time, demand her to show you love that is far more exponential than in waking life. If not, then she is probably just a Dream Character you've made a small bond that has the potential to grow. It is all base on your mentality. If it didn't feel like it, you would expect some kinda of predicted action a Dream guide would do for you, like "Let me help you with something." But Dream Guides do more than just "showing you a way." They literally form a connection with you so that you understand their being. They know who you are already, which has to motivate you to accept subjective truths, even if it didn't feel like she was reliable because you haven't had a thought of her for a long time nor were you interested in her. Take advantage of that the next time you become lucid and happen to meet her. Ask her if she is your Dream guide, because DCs can come up with weird responses sometimes that make you think they might be a DG. DGs make themselves apparent compare to other DCs, and if she says yes and she gives you proof that she could be your DG/Spirit guide, you're one lucky person. If you're still unsure, try looking on topics related to Dream/Spirit Guides. I hope this helped, and sorry if I seem like I repeated myself a lot here I think you're lucky, I haven't had a decent conversation with a DC that might be a DG for me (I'm still trying to find her myself, she makes herself so beautiful in many forms) Like this Most of the ones that stand out though are blondes for me. Try to look for ones that stand out the most. If she keeps giving you the "look" when you ask her more and more questions, she's either a very tough DC that can lie, or is your DG/SG.

[kdhoward83]

LDs actually come pretty easily to me for some reason. Its more of a inquisitive hobby at this point, but I can usually make one happen about 50% of the time that I try. Then again, Im new to this and don't know if thats good. I've interacted with DCs before and they're nothing like the one last night. She could literally read my mind and I felt some strong connection to her like I've known her forever. I've been reading up on DG/SG all morning because of that dream.. I don't know what it was but it left an impression on me and now I want nothing more than to meet her again. If I meet her again, I'll be sure to ask her some more questions and figure out who/what she is. Maybe I wasn't ready to understand the answers... thats why she wouldn't tell me. If I meet here again I'll be sure to update!

[Linkzelda]

Wow so you're pretty much a natural lucid dreamer And good luck! I hope I meet mine soon. I really need someone to talk because my Major in college forces me to be alone xP

[kdhoward83]

Long Story Short: Had a lucid, I think her name might be "Aryianna." I didn't meet her, but ended up having a dream battle and transformed into different animals. Had another Lucid last night. Read up on the WILD technique with WBTB and it actually worked. Everything was blurry at first as the scene formed, so I imagined putting on glasses (which I don't wear) that focused it a bit, then I stabilized it by rubbing the carpet beneath me. I'll keep this short, but basically I went outside and asked where "Aryianna" was (I dont know anyone by this name or remember reading about it somewhere). Something in a tree answered me ans said she wasn't here. Turns out it was a talking bird. I told it to lead me to her. I was following it down this desolate road in my old childhood neighborhood (no DCs anywhere - it was really weird). To quicken up the process I decide I want to transform into a bird to get there faster. It works! I was flying with this bird to the spot where she supposedly was. Turns out it was a trap and it led me to a wolf that popped out of a bush and attacked me. I transformed myself into a bear to fight it, and it turned into a panther. I was kicking its butt when it turned into a huge king cobra. It bit me a few times and I tried to turn into something that had thick skin - a rhino. It didn't work. Looking back on it, thats when the dream started to fade and I should have stabilized again, but I was too focused on this snake attacking me. Woke up still trying to transform into a rhino and fight the snake.

[Wristblade56]

search for Hyu's thread about a DC like this. maybe you can find some answers there. good luck! just type in "Yuya" in the search box.

[Linkzelda]

Wow man, that's some dream! and yeah good luck!

[kdhoward83]

Ugh.. another lucid last night and still nothing. I think I might just give up and start enjoying my dreams and maybe she'll just show up. In my dream I was in a room (I think it was like the wardens office of a jail) with 3 DCs when I became lucid. I didn't stabilize at all or take time to make it more clear... dumb. I immediately went to 2 DCs and asked where she was. They gave me some smart ass response that I don't remember. With superhuman strength, I took them both by their throats and flung them through a wall (they disappeared into the wall, not like the wall broke). I could hear them scream as they were flying through the air. I looked to the third guy in the room and told him the same would happen if he didn't tell me where she was. He wrote something down on a paper and handed it to me. I could kind of make it out, but the letters and numbers kept jumping around. I could tell there was a phone number on the sheet.. but the numbers would change as I was looking at him. I threw the paper back at him, annoyed. "You know I can't read this here, read it back to me" - I felt the dream slipping and cursed at myself as I fruitlessly tried to stabilize it and bring it back. Well.. no luck again, though I guess I am fitting the description she gave me in my first dream of "being a little wild" Did a MILD before bed, then WBTB WILD that I ended up focusing on my anchor too much and it kept pulling me back awake (3-4 times), so that ended up in a DILD. Ugh, too much work for a short dream accomplishing nothing. Kinda cool to have the strength of superman and throw the DCs around like rag dolls though.

[kdhoward83]

To make things easier.. In the future, I'll start posting my dreams to a journal and list a synopsis of here with a link to the dream for anything that has to do with Aryanna.

[Linkzelda]

Yeah, if you do that, your brain will be focused more on dream memory, which will augment your natural talent for lucid dreaming. You could also try typing that you are going to meet your potential Dream guide again and ask her more questions. I basically typed this on my other dream journal that I used to post DJ entries here. I know I sound desperate in this journal post I am going to find my dream guide. My anima or whatever you call this entity. I want to meet the other side of me, the one where solace, love, peace, and tranquility can coexist. The undying love and respect that is greater than any kind of love in this world that constantly degrades my potential. I want to find you dream guide, spirit guide, I want you to lead me to the right path of enlightenment. I am going for a path, but I need to find purpose that can be sustained and branch off to infinite possibilities. Life is too short to confine myself to just one mentality. I want to experience your warmth and compassion, and the only way I can receive this is to at least be honored to meet you. I want to meet you and just listen to what advice you can give to me about the path I want to take, telling me the honest truth. I want you to be able to prove to me that you’re my dream guide, I don’t want to be manipulated by some dream character that I would like to be my DG, but is merely a mimic. I want someone who is trusting and attractive, you can form yourself in any shape, but I know that you’ll have your own way of exhibiting your beauty. I am going to find you, and we will make a bond together. Together we will find out how to merge and find the answers to the queries of life. I trust that you will not collect data from previous ancestors to make yourself know more than me. You are too smart to leech off of finite data, you will have data that is subjective and can be applied to make me more content with my purpose in life. I want to know whether or not if there is such a thing as divine love, and if so, I want you to lead me to that path. I want to be your lover and your friend. I want to respect your for who you are. If you think that I’m not ready to embrace the truth, you are probably right. But I know that I’m ready, we will all have something that creates conflict with our daily reasoning and logic, but isn’t that the point to self-correct ourselves and to have an open mind? Surely you have this ability to guide me into this way, and have a wonderful life in waking life, and in the dream world, and beyond. I want to embrace you, I will find a way, I will accumulate the courage to believe. I will be grateful for the time that we will spend together. Me + College Social Life =/=

[Finlander]

I as a skeptic, i'd say you just happen to have a very helpful subconsciousnes. ( Hard word, to write) I would love to have someone as helpful in my dream.

[Linkzelda]

Don't worry Finlander, just believe. It's GOING to happen.

[Finlander]

Don't worry Finlander, just believe. It's GOING to happen. Thx, Maybe I'll find him/her some day (or night ). Haven't been lucid for a week.

[kdhoward83]

Well I had another dream with my DG... it didn't go so well It was... interesting. I treated her like garbage at the end, but she told me about some "war" that was going on with the people (DCs?) in the world I was in. I had flashbacks to me battling people using supernatural powers. Hope I didn't screw this up and I can continue the story-line or whatever it is. I'd enjoy being a superhero fighting in a war.

[Linkzelda]

It's nice to know that you had a dream with your DG, I probably met my DG this early morning. She stood out compared to the rest of the other DCs that were just lifeless and walking to class. Became Lucid after a series of Dreams, Possibly Met my Dream Guide - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views And wow. Don't blame yourself too much on what you did. It's probably just a part of you that wanted to be released. Because you were aware, you had the mentality that you could do anything you want. I had the same temptation in the dream journal entry I did when I met a possible Dream guide. All you can do now is to keep inducing lucid dreaming, and apologize to her. And if she really is your Dream guide, (I'm pretty sure she is), she'll know the feeling and will forgive you. Don't worry, keep it up! It sounds like you're going to have a good time with your dreams.

[eldante]

Im new to lucid dreaming and what happened last night left me so confused and intrigued. My dream became lucid randomly after interacting with a character in my dream who was shocked when I touched her and realized I was "dreamer" (whatever that means). Its a bit fuzzy what happens next, but I was standing in front of a woman (not the same girl I touched) who looked like Rebecca Mader (pic below). I don't have any fascination with this woman, nor have thought about her for years since I watched the show Lost. I have no idea why she took that form. Her "You're lucid dreaming, pretty amazing isn't it? Me: "Yeah" (she tells me to look at my hand and it comes in focus with more detail than I could ever see in real life) Her:"You can do anything you want." Me: "What if I want this to be a sex dream?" Her (chuckles and smiles): "Sure this can be a sex dream, I like those too, I can be whoever you want me to be" Me: (I decide that would be a waste and fly around a bit, then land back next to her) Me: "So I can go anywhere I want right?" Her: "Yup, anywhere you want to go" Me: "Eiffel tower!" (effiel tower appears infront of us) Her: (smiling at me) "Fun isnt it?" We end up walking down the street together where I interact with a few other DCs and try a few things like putting my hand through walls and growing a 6th finger. These other DCs just seem like dumb drones. This woman seems like she can read my mind and I get this feeling that I've known her forever. So I ask her: Me: "Who are you anyway, what is this" Her: "It doesn't really matter" Me: "What do you mean? You're not like these others. Why are you different?" Her: (looks visibly annoyed and gives me a drop it look) "I said it doesn't matter" Her: "Look Keith, you're a good person, you have a strong personality... just sometimes you get a little wild" Me: "Well at least tell me this. Are you me?" Her: (confused look) "What? How could I be you? You're you." Me: "No, I mean, are you my subconscious?" Her: (lovingly laughs) "No, I'm not your subconscious" Dream fades and I wake up literally asking myself out loud "Who was that?" I felt so connected to this person. She literally read my mind at points in the dream and just sort of followed me throughout helping sometimes but mostly watching. I'm not spiritual or religious.. and I have no idea what happened last night. It was just so... strange.... Best thing I can describe it is like the matrix. I realized I was dreaming and I could tell she wasn't a drone like all the other people walking around, but an "agent" who was also above the dream. I just felt it / could sense it. So my question... what the hell was that? Im assuming it was my "Dream Guide"? Was I just talking to my own subconscious? It sure didn't feel like it. Well done! Do go on.

[MarineRecon]

You are making progress! I too am trying to find my dream guide. I'll look for her in my lucid dream tonight.

[eldante]

The dream guide is always the anima. It is her function both in males and in females. I have the abilities in functionality to do this, but I can't do it unless people can dream of me. If they really can, then everything changes, including me. The dreamers dream. It's really so beautiful. In the heart of a real and true dreamer, no thing is impossible, not even them and not even me.

[antronics]

..I'm very new to this so take this with a grain of salt (wtf does that saying mean anyways?) All this focus on DG's, and how they can read your mind, and how much faith and belief is put into them...for a lucid dreamer, isn't this like a self-fulfilling prophecy? You believe so much that this specific person in your dream is or might be your DG, you give them unwavering faith. Or, more accurate, you have unwavering faith that they are your DG, and while in a LD, that faith and willpower just makes your invention all the stronger. Thoughts?

[ShadowOfSelf]

..I'm very new to this so take this with a grain of salt (wtf does that saying mean anyways?) All this focus on DG's, and how they can read your mind, and how much faith and belief is put into them...for a lucid dreamer, isn't this like a self-fulfilling prophecy? You believe so much that this specific person in your dream is or might be your DG, you give them unwavering faith. Or, more accurate, you have unwavering faith that they are your DG, and while in a LD, that faith and willpower just makes your invention all the stronger. Thoughts? Though i have not encountered a DG, that i know of.. I reckon its one of them 'you just know' situations. Ive read quite ellaborate accounts from a few respectable people and they all generally mention the same attributes of the DG, leading me to beleive there is some truth behind it. Whilst i get where your coming from, those who claim to have met there DG tell some great stories, where the DG/anima/spirit guide etc has imparted wisdom that is not only beneficial, but something the dreamer was not consciouslly aware of before. Which could be regarded as the Akashic records/universal unconscious/DNA memories/Guardian Angel etc etc etc. My opinion is dont beleive to disbeleive, be open to possibilities

[Linkzelda]

..I'm very new to this so take this with a grain of salt (wtf does that saying mean anyways?) All this focus on DG's, and how they can read your mind, and how much faith and belief is put into them...for a lucid dreamer, isn't this like a self-fulfilling prophecy? You believe so much that this specific person in your dream is or might be your DG, you give them unwavering faith. Or, more accurate, you have unwavering faith that they are your DG, and while in a LD, that faith and willpower just makes your invention all the stronger. Thoughts? Think of it this way. How you interpret DGs is up to you. I believe it is your subconscious/anima/. I think of it as forming an entity because it's really hard to talk to your subconscious if you just let it create things for you. Making a DG just makes the process easier, in my opinion. It's not absolute, it's just something I feel is tangible. The DG can link you to thoughts within your unconscious, that's what I believe. People think it's hocus pocus, and they have every right to think so. If you want to get something out of your dreams, you have to find what you feel is the best way to do so. We all have faith in something, even if it's to not have faith in anything at all. It's just interesting to me to see how your subconscious can create an entity for you to talk with so that the thoughts that it picks up everyday without your awareness can be manifest to you. You can think of the DG as someone on a higher plane of existence, or you can think of them as a part of yourself. You can believe that they are just there to help you for a specific cause, and should you have a challenge ahead of you, you can summon them because you feel they are the epitome of the qualities necessary to solve a problem. Sure that's making the problem-solving theory apparent, and I'm just babbling on and on and on... Lucid dreaming is being able to do whatever you want to do. You can skew your way of thinking to try and understand genuine perspectives to help you learn an abstract way of thinking. You can choose to have a narrow-minded mentality to see how it affects the way you think, you can choose to think anything while lucid dreaming. Anything is possible, just because someone puts faith in a DG to obtain unconditional love, hatred, whatever, even if it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, you'll have to if you want a logical way of understanding yourself. If you just lucid dream and think that a DG is a DC with more awareness, you're putting a belief system that they are for that purpose. We either conform to our schemata and fit things that are new to justify our way of thinking, or we destroy old ones to create new ones to conform what is being presented to us. This is cliche, but think of the Matrix and the spoon scene . If you lucid dream, you see the spoon, and believe it's a spoon because you've been so accustomed that the object is a spoon. But there is no spoon. What am I trying to get out of this? Probably nothing. We act in the moment most of the time, and then justify the reasons why we did so later. Feelings of brief spontaneity going towards a fading reprieve. We put too much emphasis on theories, terms, etc...we're thinking too much. It makes lucid dreaming less fun. People come up with new ideas to induce lucid dreaming when it's all just a placebo that gets you excited, and when it works, you become so delighted of this. Then when it doesn't work, you start to question if it was really effective at all, and move on to another technique or just practice an old technique. Then you find that it becomes harder because you were so used to being conformed to one technique, and because you feel that you can't go back to the other, you make it harder to have a lucid dream. How does that way of thinking apply to DG? If you try think too much on whether or not it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, then most likely it will because your mind is already building a schema to conform to your schemata that it is. So when you see someone who contradicts this way of thinking, you may feel a bit disappointed, which is the perfect example of confirmation bias. To indulge in ideals that agree to your preexisting thoughts. We're humans, we're hedonistic, you can deny it, but we all have desires. You could try to attempt to lucid dreaming to fulfill these desires, and we want to believe that it will make us a better person if we use LD as an infinite void to fill the gap of our hedonism. Or it can be something else. We're all different, sometimes it becomes disgusting to us when we see a person use LDing to put faith in something that isn't real to us. It could be real to them, anything is possible in lucid dreaming, yet we all still try to find some way to verify it to logical means to make LDing more complicated. Just go with the moments of spontaneity when you have a lucid dream, allow yourself to believe that a DG is someone you put faith into, allow yourself to not believe that they are not a medium to put faith into. There's so many thoughts that hinder the subjective truths behind lucid dreaming. Everyone argues to see that their preexisting schemata is absolute, or at least mostly right. I'm not saying that you're arguing, but I'm just bringing it up because I see that people who question on these things seek to validate their way of thinking, and there's nothing wrong with that. My belief is that we shouldn't think too much on that person's belief and focus more on how ours is made. I think of lucid dreaming as a path of self-enlightenment, seeing so many perspectives that were repressed, and they can be unlocked if you believe it can be. If you want to see if it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, then you should experiment with it for yourself to get a better understanding. See if it fits with your schemata, find out how your schemata prevents you from accepting it or denying it, and if you like how the belief makes you feel, then create a new schemata to conform to it. I believe it's about conformity and rejection. Letting yourself go but also allowing yourself to hold on to a belief. Free your mind, in my opinion

[Mzzkc]

I like this thread. Which is typically not true of most DG threads that go up around here. Lotta personal growth and informed, thoughtful discussion. Would share my views, ideas and experiences, but I'd end up writing a short novel. For those of you that skimmed or skipped Linkzelda's post, take another look, as it's a real gem.

[Linkzelda]

*Wakes up at 5:00 AM to attempt a WBTB+WILD* I must be dreaming, Mzzkc thinks my post is a real gem! *pinches noes, rubs hands, counts fingers, spins* aww crap. Wait! Yes this is real!!! Uh oh, confirmation bias....making me feel good inside....oooh the complex of my mind D:

[TheForgotten]

Think of it this way. How you interpret DGs is up to you. I believe it is your subconscious/anima/. I think of it as forming an entity because it's really hard to talk to your subconscious if you just let it create things for you. Making a DG just makes the process easier, in my opinion. It's not absolute, it's just something I feel is tangible. The DG can link you to thoughts within your unconscious, that's what I believe. People think it's hocus pocus, and they have every right to think so. If you want to get something out of your dreams, you have to find what you feel is the best way to do so. We all have faith in something, even if it's to not have faith in anything at all. It's just interesting to me to see how your subconscious can create an entity for you to talk with so that the thoughts that it picks up everyday without your awareness can be manifest to you. You can think of the DG as someone on a higher plane of existence, or you can think of them as a part of yourself. You can believe that they are just there to help you for a specific cause, and should you have a challenge ahead of you, you can summon them because you feel they are the epitome of the qualities necessary to solve a problem. Sure that's making the problem-solving theory apparent, and I'm just babbling on and on and on... Lucid dreaming is being able to do whatever you want to do. You can skew your way of thinking to try and understand genuine perspectives to help you learn an abstract way of thinking. You can choose to have a narrow-minded mentality to see how it affects the way you think, you can choose to think anything while lucid dreaming. Anything is possible, just because someone puts faith in a DG to obtain unconditional love, hatred, whatever, even if it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, you'll have to if you want a logical way of understanding yourself. If you just lucid dream and think that a DG is a DC with more awareness, you're putting a belief system that they are for that purpose. We either conform to our schemata and fit things that are new to justify our way of thinking, or we destroy old ones to create new ones to conform what is being presented to us. This is cliche, but think of the Matrix and the spoon scene . If you lucid dream, you see the spoon, and believe it's a spoon because you've been so accustomed that the object is a spoon. But there is no spoon. What am I trying to get out of this? Probably nothing. We act in the moment most of the time, and then justify the reasons why we did so later. Feelings of brief spontaneity going towards a fading reprieve. We put too much emphasis on theories, terms, etc...we're thinking too much. It makes lucid dreaming less fun. People come up with new ideas to induce lucid dreaming when it's all just a placebo that gets you excited, and when it works, you become so delighted of this. Then when it doesn't work, you start to question if it was really effective at all, and move on to another technique or just practice an old technique. Then you find that it becomes harder because you were so used to being conformed to one technique, and because you feel that you can't go back to the other, you make it harder to have a lucid dream. How does that way of thinking apply to DG? If you try think too much on whether or not it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, then most likely it will because your mind is already building a schema to conform to your schemata that it is. So when you see someone who contradicts this way of thinking, you may feel a bit disappointed, which is the perfect example of confirmation bias. To indulge in ideals that agree to your preexisting thoughts. We're humans, we're hedonistic, you can deny it, but we all have desires. You could try to attempt to lucid dreaming to fulfill these desires, and we want to believe that it will make us a better person if we use LD as an infinite void to fill the gap of our hedonism. Or it can be something else. We're all different, sometimes it becomes disgusting to us when we see a person use LDing to put faith in something that isn't real to us. It could be real to them, anything is possible in lucid dreaming, yet we all still try to find some way to verify it to logical means to make LDing more complicated. Just go with the moments of spontaneity when you have a lucid dream, allow yourself to believe that a DG is someone you put faith into, allow yourself to not believe that they are not a medium to put faith into. There's so many thoughts that hinder the subjective truths behind lucid dreaming. Everyone argues to see that their preexisting schemata is absolute, or at least mostly right. I'm not saying that you're arguing, but I'm just bringing it up because I see that people who question on these things seek to validate their way of thinking, and there's nothing wrong with that. My belief is that we shouldn't think too much on that person's belief and focus more on how ours is made. I think of lucid dreaming as a path of self-enlightenment, seeing so many perspectives that were repressed, and they can be unlocked if you believe it can be. If you want to see if it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, then you should experiment with it for yourself to get a better understanding. See if it fits with your schemata, find out how your schemata prevents you from accepting it or denying it, and if you like how the belief makes you feel, then create a new schemata to conform to it. I believe it's about conformity and rejection. Letting yourself go but also allowing yourself to hold on to a belief. Free your mind, in my opinion Good points. Few questions. You talk a lot about creating a DG to help us communicate with our subconscious. What if we find out our DG is an actual person? Or even worse, what if we have multiples?! Or worse yet, what if they ALL link us to our subconscious?!?! And if we can simply create a DG (which I personally believe we can) then can we maybe create a real person to fill that role if we wish, instead of limiting it to the dream plane? If we manage to do this, are we creating that person or simply attracting them to us with our energy? Either way the equation is worked, in the end it doesn't matter. They don't really exist because there is no spoon. Are we all figments of our own imagination? Our own realities? If everyone else are figments, does that make us a figment as well? So we are no more or less real than everyone/everything else? How does this define 'me' when there is no 'me'? I find that I'm back to square 1. How far did you get? Lol. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Great post.

[Linkzelda]

Good points. Few questions. You talk a lot about creating a DG to help us communicate with our subconscious. What if we find out our DG is an actual person? Or even worse, what if we have multiples?! Or worse yet, what if they ALL link us to our subconscious?!?! And if we can simply create a DG (which I personally believe we can) then can we maybe create a real person to fill that role if we wish, instead of limiting it to the dream plane? If we manage to do this, are we creating that person or simply attracting them to us with our energy? Either way the equation is worked, in the end it doesn't matter. They don't really exist because there is no spoon. Are we all figments of our own imagination? Our own realities? If everyone else are figments, does that make us a figment as well? So we are no more or less real than everyone/everything else? How does this define 'me' when there is no 'me'? I find that I'm back to square 1. How far did you get? Lol. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Great post. Lol thanks EDIT: I couldn't tell if you wanted a response or not haha. Oh well And No no, that's perfectly fine! I'm not going to try and impose my ideals and think that yours is nonsense, that would be me trying to augment the intention behind confirmation bias. You bring up a good point, there is no wrong or right answer when you try to interpret dreaming. There's scientific evidence to prove that it is an actual phenomenon, but it's one of those experiences that YOU have to look for yourself to justify the scientific approach. I'm not sure by the creating them into a real person to fill the role. Again, your subconscious picks up soooo many things that you'll get mind raped asking it to fill you in on EVERYTHING it contains in one moment. So this person who looks like a real person, it's most likely your subconscious creating it for you. You might be surprise how it can make someone you wouldn't expect it to manifest to you. But the whole "it all doesn't exist," that's just a mentality you're willing to experiment with, and that's fine. People normally go with that mindset to prevent them from being too attached to dream plane so that they can still hold on to reality. That's what I believe. Some people think you cannot create a DG, that it just comes in many forms, and has been with you all your life. Those are the people that believe a DG is beyond the role of just helping you control you dreams, etc. There are some people who think they can have several DGs because they put a faith that they can have a separate entity to fit the certain qualities they desire. For example, let's say you're interested in learning a fighting technique. If you apply the mentality that your DG is someone that was created in their own form and that they can change into many forms, they might do two things. One is to maintain the shape that you're so accustomed to seeing them as, and they will just be different in how they act things out to teach you the technique. Two is to be the same DG you know (you can just tell by how they acted based on your prior experiences, instead of speculating if it's just a wanna-be DG), and they can take on a different form that they seem appropriate based on what you want. But the overall plan for that mindset is that the DG already has it's unique form to communicate with you, but it just "feels" like changing because it just wants to. If you experiment with the second mentality, which is where you think you can have multiple DGs (they aren't the same entity in different forms), it's just a little bit different. Think of it this way, you're in a black void. You want to learn the a fighting technique just like the previous mindset, but you ask your subconscious to create an entity for you, and you watch it grow and create itself. Which is you relying on your subconscious to do it for you. You don't have the mindset that your DG will appear in it's own form that it seems is appropriate, you're relying that your subconscious can manifest the epitome of the traits you desire for a guide that teaches you how to fight. This leaves you entertained at how you subconscious will answer your desire, and it gives your subconscious the opportunity to skim through the schemata that you were not aware of that helps conform to your wants. I sound like I repeated things over again with the same sentence, but hopefully you get my point. The second part to the second mentality (note this is what I believe, you can have variants of these mentalities, I'm not imposing them on you, and I wouldn't mind that you don't believe in them. You have every right to take into consideration of what I'm declaring or not. It's for your OWN benefit) is that you ask and had a planned image of what the entity would look like beforehand, and you believe that your subconscious will match it. But because you have the intention of really really really really really wanting a specific person to show up (like Bruce Lee being your fighting guide), your subconscious might just base it off of the schemata that you ARE aware of. (Personally right now, I'm experimenting with this mindset and seeing that this lady named EVA, based on my dreams having blondes standing out, is met because I just have an interest in seeing how she would be as my Dream Guide). And by that, I mean what you assume would fit the qualities of said guide. Like maybe a fit and muscular composition to portray the idea of endurance. That guide having a "Watch me do this, and you do that" could be your way of learning from show and tell. Or it could be the guide asking you how you think you can learn and you do it, and it could correct you, or add a few things to your assumption, and then show you, and you improve from that). (You see the difference? Schemata that you're aware of and Schemata you're unaware of) People might disagree with me and think that I'm using Schemata as universal term for another term they believe matches with it, but I don't worry too much. They should be able to get my point, if not, just ask me, and tell me your term, and I'll do my best to understand what you think (You might think it's Archetype instead of Schemata, or dolphins, or whatever! ). Damn that was long, by this time, you're so into focusing on this emissary or several emissaries, you forget how YOU look like when you're lucid and talking to them (and you forget you're lucid and go into a non-lucid dream! ). What I'm trying to say is that you're looking at it at a certain perspective, and seeing it comes out the way you want it to be. People want a desire to be met, but they have several ways of interpreting how it's met. There isn't one absolute way to think to achieve a goal, it's subjective. So when you ask if you can have multiple DGs, and they could ALL be linked to your subconscious, that is up to you. How much faith (you can use another term if you think faith is too religious or anything of the sort) you put into that purpose being fulfilled can get you the same results or different ones that are better or worse than the mindsets you didn't experiment with. That means you would have to learn from one mindset, take it into consideration, and repeat the desire in a different mindset to see if the same results become apparent or different. For you to believe that you might be a figment of imagination, and that we're ALL just figments and figments and figments and nothing but figments of imagination, go with it of you want! But you probably might lose sense of reality and become traumatized to the point where you think that pots and pans are the keys to flying at the speed of light, or something obscure and completely random. The part where you think that it there's an equation to it, but it really doesn't matter what it is because it doesn't exist in your perspective is something you might believe is logical to you. You can wake up with the intention that they will become a part of you and you feel their presence with you, but that's up to you if you choose to think that way. Or you can wake up with the intention that they were just mediums so your subconscious could channel thoughts and schemata from your unconscious into your mind, and you just remember the key points from what you learn. You can think the subconscious is channeling the source from somewhere else. I just think it's within our unconscious because I correlate it with Long-term memory. You might think it correlates to something else. Do you see what I'm trying to portray? Several perspectives for several intentions for several results. It's like using the scientific method to see if the same results will show up if you continue repeating that perspective. If you find a different result from doing it over and over and over and over and over again, you can do it over and over and over again, but surely by then you'll be bored because you're ego is probably sick of speculating if a change will occur. This is why if you do several methods to see if you can get the same results or different ones is a bit more efficient and time-saving (that's what I think). I'm re-emphasizing that everyone has a different way of learning things, some like repetition through their conservative mentality to see that the same result comes out. Some might be open to new mentalities to see if they'll get the same result. I could go on and on, but surely, you probably aren't going to read any more of what I think is an appropriate answer to your question. You'll probably think "oookay I get already!" or "wow, you just made it more complicated." But if you just read what I say (if you think it's worth your time....I mean you do come to the forum to learn something from someone's perspective right?) but you find yourself seeing people asking general questions and receiving general answers that were probably half-hearted in intention, making you think too much on something solid that wouldn't make someone annoyed at a question that was already responded. I'm going to stop. But don't be shy to ask anything else, I might repeat the same things over and over again because I have a schemata for interpreting your question. And the only thing I can do is hope that it's logical to you. My responses are just left there in the clouds for your own pickings. If you think all I said was wrong, then think that way. I won't feel discouraged or disappointed, I'm just happy giving you my belief. Hope this helped! XD And how far did I get? Eh, I'm still jumping between lucids and non-lucids because of college. But one lucid dream I met a blonde (Blondes are a reoccurring theme or figures that I have in most of my dreams) that claimed she was my dream guide. And she already predicted my question to her of "How do I know if you're lying or not." and basically asked me, "Want me to show you?" Her eyes turned BIG and I thought she was going to wake me up to prove a point. You can read it below, but it's a bit disturbing....I have a pretty messed up mind. I think. :x (The lucid part is in dark red) http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/link...m-guide-25517/ Another topic you can read on if you don't think it's all in your head is reading this. http://www.dreamviews.com/f36/access...logues-120200/ You might think that if I'm still new to stabilizing my dreams and don't have that many lucids, why should you read what I'm going to say? Because I learned from many topics and made a collection of what I like and what I didn't like, but I accepted it because it helps me change things. Play some epic music like this to get you pumped up