Your Experiences with Communicating with the Unconscious in an LD?

[StephL]

I've seen many posts, where people announce, they want to personify themselves in their LDs - talk with the unconscious in form of a DC or some other method. There are some reports of course here and there - but I want mooore! It's very high on my list to try out myself. Soo - who has been talking with oneself like this? Can you be your own coach? What did you ask for - and how? What did you receive? Could be anything from artistic inspiration, a solution to a dilemma irl, auto-suggestions, retrieving memories, gaining insight into one's mind's workings.. Finding the optimal gestalt of a movement in sports and watching oneself 3rd person perspective - could be included here as well, actually - and that's on my list already of course.. There's this thing in research, if you can get at very old otherwise inaccessible memory from your childhood. I think it is, but am afraid, proving/properly verifying something like this will be very, very difficult. But none the less - Sageous already was able to remind himself of forgotten episodes as an anecdotal evidence. And reading that - I came to be fascinated with what sorts of experiences such endeavours could generate.

[Nexusery]

Not long ago i said sorry for not knowing about it for so long, and i asked it if it could help me become lucid more.I heard a voice saying "Its ok" and "Yeah sure".

[chajadan]

I've been talking to my higher/subconscious selves, and to the dream environment a lot lately. Personally, I tend to think it's helpful. I mean, dreams respond in intelligent ways, so either you unknowingly provide the feedback or something else does, but seriously, when you don't feel like it is consciously you, and yet it's not random babbling, it's something. Seriously. Well I can't say that I've gotten too many responses yet, but I've only been doing it a few weeks now, and by that I mean about 3 times spread over the lucids I've had then. However, in this same vain I did have a dream that was illuminating for me. In my dream I was setting myself up to commit suicide, something that is entirely possible IRL since I'm just seriously ready to leave the room I hate and just give a random room a shot, lest I settle and deal. At any rate, in my dream once I was determining that where I was was a place form which I could carry out my plans if I stayed, I ended up having a new sister. Well I said to myself in a dream that you know, like, no one wants to commit suicide when they have a new sister, you know? I mean, you kinda want to explore that relationship. It's like getting ready to turn off the TV and go to bed when something catches your attention. Sure you're tired and have work early, but you don't ~want~ to turn the TV off. This analogy just squares perfectly with certain feelings I have. I say, I can't stay in this physical world where I know for a fact I might get hit by a car, unless anything here is worth that price. And to me, nothing here is worth that price, for anything here worth that price I fully believe exists outside of this plain, or at least has an equally valuable counterpart. I don't need every piece of jewelry in the universe, and not at this price. But, when I find myself into something I've been doing, my workouts, my foreign language studies, whatever it is, and I get this feeling like I don't want to leave it behind but recognize that it's about as dumb as I can think to keep on paying this totally unacceptable price, well the dream just put it all in a simple summary. No one wants to turn off the TV when an interesting show comes on. The whole idea just underscores the naturalness of feeling hesistant to leave a thing you wish to explore. From my analytical perspective, it's almost like my subconscious is saying, "you know, you're ~not~ just stupid to hesitate to leave, leave or go or whatever you're going to do, but it's only a natural expression to hesitate to leave the desired, regardless of how ludicrous the context is, such that you can't allow it.". Because up to that point, I've tried to pin down why I would hesitate at all, and the dream was just like, well who wants to leave a new sister. Sure mom and all the other stuff may be old hat, but you have new things on your plate. It really just simplifies it all to a bullet I can refer to and say, yes, that's one of the things that affects me. So one more characteristic characterized

[StephL]

Dear chajadan! It sounds a bit worrying to me, what you write - it is great, that your dreams help you to direct your view towards the interesting and worthwhile aspects of life - but I kind of have to reply to some of the things you wrote a bit more: This analogy just squares perfectly with certain feelings I have. I say, I can't stay in this physical world where I know for a fact I might get hit by a car, unless anything here is worth that price. And to me, nothing here is worth that price, for anything here worth that price I fully believe exists outside of this plain, or at least has an equally valuable counterpart. Worth which prize? If you get hit by a car - you could end up disabled in a bad way and having to endure a life of pain and restrictions - but I wonder, if that is what you mean, actually. Sounds like you want a reason to live in order to be able to deal with the fear of dying out of the blue and out of your power. But dying is dying - so it seems a weird way of reasoning to me. I believe it is very dangerous to expect an afterlife, in which all will be better and worthwhile. Let alone fully believe it - you choose to believe it, because you find the thought reassuring - maybe you have been brought up under such a belief-system. But in reality - you do have only this life in your hands, and you don't know, what comes afterwards - you can't know - from no information you consider whatsoever. None of the things you hear, see or even experience about it are reliable - I don't say that just because I'm a materialist - considering that in your dreams you are able to construct a whole reality with you in it just out of your brain - you should be aware how susceptible to delusions the mind is. You simply can't know - so please don't place your hopes beyond the grave!! But, when I find myself into something I've been doing, my workouts, my foreign language studies, whatever it is, and I get this feeling like I don't want to leave it behind but recognize that it's about as dumb as I can think to keep on paying this totally unacceptable price, well the dream just put it all in a simple summary. No one wants to turn off the TV when an interesting show comes on. The whole idea just underscores the naturalness of feeling hesistant to leave a thing you wish to explore. Again - which price are you paying - what are you talking about? Do you maybe suffer from depression? To go through that is a high price indeed - but it is absolutely worth to fight it, if that is the case - and there are many weapons. It is a very unhealthy mindset to hover so close to suicidal ideas and impulses - I am really worried about you. But obviously - and reinforcing my own pet-hypothesis too - your dreams and LDs have a positive influence on your thinking, and how you feel about life. So this is great - and I sincerely hope, it is enough. Before you do something rash, though - even decide life is not worth it - please at the very least open up your heart and mind to us, before you jump to conclusions or even actions. Make a thread, best in "Help", so we can try to befriend you back with life or recommend some specific weapons and how to find assistance. therethere.gif

[chajadan]

I came so incredibly close to skipping reading your post StephL. But I always like digesting and talking out ideas with others so I chose to. I also don't want to take over this thread, because as you know, suicide as a primary topic can go on forever and get nowhere. If you get hit by a car - you could end up disabled in a bad way and having to endure a life of pain and restrictions - but I wonder, if that is what you mean, actually. Yes it is what I mean literally. Plus all the other for a fact issues resident in this plane of existence that may be everywhere else too -- I do not know, but I do know they are here, have been here the whole time, and don't seem to be leaving. So just accepting that is a total settle. If you are starving in the woods, you don't stand still and find food. Sounds like you want a reason to live in order to be able to deal with the fear of dying out of the blue and out of your power. This is a very bad analysis of what motivates me. I don't have a general fear of death, be it out sudden, or out of my power. I have an aversion the bobby trapped situations. I see death as one of the very few doors that leave this bobby trapped room, is all. If anything I have less fear than the average person, because I don't feel a need to ~cling~ to the physical world as my only source of experience or good. I don't want a reason to live, what I want is to not be surrounded by potentials for physical pain. Period. What I don't want to do is just accept it, but I do not see a guaranteed solution anywhere, or else I would take it. I believe it is very dangerous to expect an afterlife, in which all will be better and worthwhile. Again, this is so far from the truth. Seriously, it bugs me that the analysis of others always fall into great generalizations of the average viewpoint, and this one is perfectly exemplary of that. I do not believe my last physical pain is by ~any means~ sure to be only here on the Earth. I believe in eternal life after death, but I place no restrictions on where pain resides in the universal experience. So seriously, I do not assume that on the day of my death, that's it, my final pain will have happened. I tend to assume quite the contrary. Again, what I do believe is a person starving in one spot should move to find food. The food may still evade them, and it could appear from the spot they left, but personally I believe you should leave a party you don't want to be at. You simply can't know That's an assertion I cannot buy wholesale the way you do. I believe all beings have an ability to tap into all existent knowledge, yet rarely do. So if there was a plane you go to at death, I believe it ~could~ be knowable. But we live in a world where people "know" things all the time, but really they just believe them. Knowledge is never wrong, blurry, or equivocal -- it's exact every time. But you claim knowledge of certain sorts is impossible, and I call your statement of fact as a mere belief. People also believe humans could never levitate, that there's no ghosts, etc. etc. What I can tell you is that ~I~ don't know, and from what I gather neither do you. Do you maybe suffer from depression? To go through that is a high price indeed - but it is absolutely worth to fight it Worth it is a judgment call. And no, I do not suffer from depression (thankfully). I do have an issue that is quite separate from what you would see in a truly depressed person. My days are filled mainly with contentment and often bubbling with joy. But I do have deep issues. It is a very unhealthy mindset to hover so close to suicidal ideas and impulses - I am really worried about you. And here's where I flat disagree with you. Completely, totally, and 100%. It's not inherently unhealthy to hover close to how you genuinely feel. Now I agree with you that suicide does not necessarily correct the issues that afflict us. If someone suffers from social anxiety, for instance, I have no reason to believe that after death that don't encounter groups of people. I don't see a direct mechanism to explain why the anxiety would leave just because one entered a different phase of existence. But issues of the physical body -- so constant, so outside of our control, perhaps that does get discarded. ~I~ don't know. However, to ~me~, suicide is like any other important choice a being can make, it is a FREEDOM to be able to choose. To tell yourself "oh no, suicide is bad bad bad, you shouldn't consider such things, and don't masturbate either" is a fear-mongering that can paralyze you. Who do you attempt to satisfy with the belief? The church? God? I don't get it. Suicide is not a bad/dirty or ~dangerous~ thing, in my eyes. It is a choice, taken for whatever reason, generally to further some agenda, and it either works towards that agenda or it does not. Period the end. But it's not Voldemort, you can say the word and you won't bust into flames or wilt all the flowers in your house. Suicide, suicide, suicide. And you know what could be bad to do to someone else? Shame them out of their considerations, make them feel small or whiny or weak or anything like that. But that's not something I'm susceptible to here. I appreciate your concern for my well being. Just know anything I do is my best calculated attempt at that. Geez, you worry about stuff more than ~I~ do. I am quite at peace with my considerations of suicide. I see it as akin to deciding to take of an itchy sweater and hope to find a better shit. You know those people who just ~have to~ be in a relationship or they're not happy, and then they end up staying with an abusive "lover", well that's life when you stay out fear, because you can't think outside of the stay put philosophy. Just cling to your hairy sweater brother, if you feel the need, but I for one would rather consider my options. And no, Jesus is not my savior. --charlie