Thread: "DEILDing" within a dream

Thanks gab!

Yeah, gotta love these weird FA chains! Plus, every time I do essentially a huge WBTB I get like 3-4 LDs... It's phenomenal - just 4 days ago I did this too, rather by my own design, and got 4 LDs (even better than these).

And, yes, I totally agree about WILDing in a dream - I do the same to "teleport" sometimes when I want precision. I just find a silent place to "sleep" in, and visualize where I want to go. But want's weird in this dream, is that when I "DEILDed" I didn't know it was a dream, only to realize this from the "inner dream"! haha

Originally Posted by gab

I would count as a new dream every time you realized you are dreaming or if you remained aware between 2 LDs, when you noticed a transition between them.

This would be 3 then - two DILDs and that "DEILD"... That DEILD had a transition like a normal DEILD would and I had to recall the previous dream - so weird to know in retrospect it wasn't real...

Edit (reply to dolphin to not double post):

Originally Posted by dolphin

So, you only woke up for real during 1 and 8? If so, that would mean you experienced only 1 dream so I would count it as 1 LD.

The dream only ends once you wake up for real. Having a false awakening after a dream is just a scene change of that same dream.

Yes, only during "1" and "8". But I don't wake up* after every dream, especially during the dense morning REMs (in 3. I had a recall of one short and one long non-lucids, that must have occurred between 8:35 and 10:02 IRL - but during this time I didn't wake up - but does this make all of these one dream, even if they had totally distinct themes?). By that logic, if you have a DILD and then DEILD back without waking up completely it's still 1 LD even if the scene is different (most will rather treat it as two discrete dreams), but DEILDing back into the same scene, from fully woken up state would be considered 2 LDs.

Plus, after "3", I was in the void - which I usually treat as what divides two dreams - and slowly falsely "woke up" after.

Normally I would treat it as 2 LDs, because was I truly lucid if I didn't know that the DEILD was false? But it's very tricky, is it 1 or 3 instead?

Edit 2: *rather "notice waking up", but you know what I mean...

Originally Posted by Spock

But I don't wake up after every dream

If there was a dream you never woke up from, you wouldn't be awake right now. You'd still be in the same dream.

Originally Posted by Spock

I had a recall of one short and one long non-lucids, that must have occurred between 8:35 and 10:02 IRL - but during this time I didn't wake up - but does this make all of these one dream, even if they had totally distinct themes?)

Yes it was one dream. Dreams don't have to have cohesive themes.

Originally Posted by Spock

Plus, after "3", I was in the void - which I usually treat as what divides two dreams - and slowly falsely "woke up" after.

Going into a void is a scene change, just like a false awakening.

Originally Posted by Spock

Normally I would treat it as 2 LDs, because was I truly lucid if I didn't know that the DEILD was false?

It sounds like your DEILD was in a false awakening to me. I doubt your Mom would be more than 1 hour and 38 minutes off in her sense of time if it wasn't a dream.

Originally Posted by gab

But what if you don't wake up completely? If you only realize that one dream has ended, you decide to just hang in there till next one shows. You are aware that you are in your bed, sleeping. All you see is gray emptiness and then you realize you are still "there and dreaming", or "aware" and you force some transition to happen or just wait for a dream to form around you and "stand up" into it.

I define a real awakening as the point where you're only able to perceive objective reality rather than the previous dream.