Thread: What is consciousness?

Originally Posted by elucid

Another issue Spockman, since you seem to be basing this off the first event that sparked everything, and everything else is based of that first event. We can also argue that everything can be put to a complete halt, and then restarting, thus making it so that it is not based off the first event. Of course this is theoritical.

And since it can be put to a complete halt, then in this sense, you can change what is going to happen.

This is based off the worldview that this is like a computer program that can be stopped, restarted, and modified.

Even if there was no beginning of time, it wouldn't matter. What will happen will happen. Everything that happens was effected by something previous to it. Determinism is a basic truth. It's fact.

Originally Posted by spockman

Even if there was no beginning of time, it wouldn't matter. What will happen will happen. Everything that happens was effected by something previous to it. Determinism is a basic truth. It's fact.

You aren't talking about determinism, you are talking about cause and effect.

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

You aren't talking about determinism, you are talking about cause and effect.

That's what determinism is.

Definitions-
Princeton- a philosophical theory holding that all events are inevitable consequences of antecedent sufficient causes; often understood as denying the possibility of free will

Wikipedia- Determinism is the view that every event, including human cognition, behavior, decision, and action, is causally determined by an unbroken chain of prior occurrences. Determinists believe the universe is fully governed by causal laws resulting in only one possible state at any point in time
London Sonomo- the principle that all information and events embody natural laws.

Every single thing that was ever going to happen was already set in motion in the beginning, (if there was one,) or else was inevitably going to occur at any point in time before it. Everything is theoretically predictable. The above definitions aren't even philosophy, to me. It is just the way that the universe works.

Originally Posted by spockman

Even if there was no beginning of time, it wouldn't matter. What will happen will happen. Everything that happens was effected by something previous to it. Determinism is a basic truth. It's fact.

I agree with this.