If you aren't completely ignoring me, let me ask another question. Do you really think that morality is a joke, and if so why are wasting your time taking part in a discussion of morality. |
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Well, therefore it isn't completely ineffectual for one person to become a vegetarian or vegan. |
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If you aren't completely ignoring me, let me ask another question. Do you really think that morality is a joke, and if so why are wasting your time taking part in a discussion of morality. |
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157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.
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You said that animal slaughtering was an inevitable action. |
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The same reason as to why I watch a comedy. This moral discussion is nothing but mental masturbation to those participating. It was of some interest for some time, but now my opponents prove uninteresting to me. So, if I don't reply to your calling, were I to cross it, then it'll be likely that I am ignoring you. |
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I stomp on your ideas.
How many animals does a meat eater eat in his lifetime? That is how many animals you save by becoming vegetarian. You could argue that someone else would just eat the animals that you didn't, but still, the production does drop off eith just one person becoming vegetarian. All those breakfast places that serve eggs, imagine how many eggs are eaten a day in just one breakfast restaurant. Imagine the chicken factories that exist just so people can go out to breakfast on Sundays. I have literally seen hundreds of eggs arriving each day at one of these places. I used to work at one of these places. One person does make a difference in many animals lives and deaths. Sure one person isn't enough to put one of these places out of business, but it still makes a difference in the lives of many animals. If only predatory animals ate the meat that factories meat factories produce, the meat factories would go out of business because they don't profit. They only profit if people buy meat with money. Animals don't buy meat, so they are not supporting the people who own these horrible factories. |
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Also, if everyone raised their own cows, and waited for it to die, and then ate it, in my opinion that would still be immoral since we would still be raising cows outside of their natural chosen habitat. It is the same with imprisoning innocent people is immoral. Putting someone innocent in a prison and denying them freedom is immoral. It is also immoral to do that to animals, even if we don't kill them. |
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wow that first post made me hurt I'm vegetarian except sometimes I eat fish, which is mostly fish that is fresh caught from the ocean. The suffering of farm raised animals gnarly. Bad energy. |
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About 8-10 times less than we are currently using. Realise that we are currently OVER-producing vegetables and grain to feed the animals that wouldn't otherwise exist if no one ate meat. And we'd only need to use 1/100th of the water we currently use. |
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Last edited by Sisyphus50; 01-13-2011 at 06:19 PM.
Now first, let me say that I do eat meat, and that I do find the economic and health arguments much more interesting than the moral ones. The reason for this is the moral argument seems to be based on the fact that we as humans have a higher intellect for reasoning than animals. However, it has also been stated that even if another animal had the same amount of intellect as us, they would still not be morally reprehensible for eating meat because they would still have no choice but to eat meat. If this is the case, then is what really puts us in the moral obligation to eat differently our technology? Or is it simply meant that its ok for the hypothetical animal to do so because it is biologically capable of only eating meat? |
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Animals don't live in society so morals don't really apply to them. You can apply them to them but it's kind of silly. Animals can't communicate on the same level that humans can so they can't empathize on the same level. |
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157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.
Women and rhythm section first - Jaco Pastorious
Morals suck. Animals actually know what freedom is. |
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Yes, good point, I am not saying that we should listen to Einstein because he is all-knowing. I know it came across like that, but I am saying that he is a smart guy, and he is right about this fact. |
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Animals are only more free in that their perception is not clouded by thoughts about the past or future, about the difference between what is and what should be, but a human can achieve the same kind of freedom by becoming aware of their thoughts in my opinion. But I suppose I don't know for certain. |
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157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.
Women and rhythm section first - Jaco Pastorious
I agree |
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If our agricultural knowledge is enough to sustain ourselves without having to cause unnecessary suffering to animals, then it is immoral to continue to cause unnecessary suffering by continuing to eat animals. It is the fact that we have higher reasoning capabilities that we are able to transcend the unnecessary suffering caused in nature, and to begin eating plants. If we choose to continue eating animals, we will still be natural, but not necessarily moral in the sense that we are trying to do what is in our power to increase the quality of life of other organisms. |
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Somethings are moral and natural, some immoral and natural, some moral and unnatural, some immoral and unnatural. I think that the two words signify different things and are pretty useful as they are. The more important thing is to realize that society is not separate from nature, it is a part of it. Many people view society as an escape from nature, from the wild, but you can't escape what you are. Though you can see it clearly and guide it. |
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157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.
Women and rhythm section first - Jaco Pastorious
seemed the right thing to do at the time i guess |
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Actually, love is an emotion produced by the human mind, driven by a series of chemical reactions. What's more: |
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God is such a vague word, you can use it to mean almost anything you like. This is why I choose not to use it, I strongly doubt the existence of deities and non-organic beings, so I choose not to use it since this is the common meaning. But I also find that if you use God in a pantheistic sense you can gain some insight from the teachings of Christ, though I don't read much about him these days. You can decide that a word has no purpose and then say that whenever anyone uses it they are wrong or they make no sense, but I find value in trying to understand what they are trying to convey, crazy people are the some of the most interesting people. |
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Last edited by StonedApe; 01-21-2011 at 04:19 AM.
157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.
Women and rhythm section first - Jaco Pastorious
I started off cutting out red meat for my health, then found myself becoming more conscious of what I was putting into my body. I then started looking at where the food I was looking at was coming from. I became a vegetarian, then tried to be a vegan, for the sake of stopping animal cruelty. |
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I just want to add, that while choosing to or not to eat meat is a personal choice, I haaaate when people say "Well I have canines, so I'm meant to eat meat." You also have legs- does that mean you shouldn't drive around in cars? As human we have the capacity for higher thought, and to allow ourselves to make choices that take us beyond the restrictions and evolutionary designs of our antecedents. It's fine if you want to eat meat- I do- but I'm going to take responsibility for that choice and not try to pass what is clearly a moral and ethical decision off as a whimsy of dental fate. |
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