A thought experiment

**tommo** · 03-26-2011 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by stonedape

I don't even think that this is true. Do you chose to wake up in middle of the night to pee? Maybe if you drank water to WBTB, but it's not always the case that it happend because of you will. When you stub your toe do you chose to swear or is it an automaitc response?

Does a pesron who does something by accident want to do it?

The initial assertion can only be true if you take an extremely flexible meaning of want, if you use it in a way that would say that an apple in the air wants to hit the ground.

Hm. Yes but still, the person still wants to get up to piss. They could just piss in bed, if they so chose.
Stubbing a toe, I think you still choose, no one swears automatically. There's always at least a split second before you even express your pain and rage.

Accidents are different. You choose to do whatever it is which brought you to the accident. But you don't choose to have an accident, otherwise it's not an accident, obviously.

Like say I choose to jump my bike over dirt jumps, and choose to jump over one that is a on the wrong slope and crash.
Or I choose to drive my car down a road where a person happened to be coming out of a side street without looking and crashes in to me. I still chose to go down that road. I didn't choose the accident, but I chose the actions which led up to it.

Or.... Maybe the toe stubbing provides an argument.... Do you choose to stub your toe at all? Sometimes your body just does a weird thing, flicks your leg out a bit too far etc. and you hit your toe in to the corner you were going around. You probably couldn't say that you chose to do that at all.

Yep I think I may be on your side stonedape.

**theMagician** · 03-26-2011 04:06 PM

But like you said, it's your choice to get out of bad and piss rather than hold it or piss the bed, right? So you made the choice to stub your toe, even tho the choice was get out of bed at night in the dark.

**theMagician** · 03-26-2011 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by stonedape

What about the things I listed in the post above, such as an accident?

Let's take a car accident for example. Once it happens, you may think, wrong place wrong time, completely random I didn't chose this, right?

Then you may think, well if I stayed at work for another 5 min. To finish some paperwork, or taken that last phone call, I would not have been at this place at the wrong time. See.

**StonedApe** · 03-26-2011 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by theMagician

But like you said, it's your choice to get out of bad and piss rather than hold it or piss the bed, right? So you made the choice to stub your toe, even tho the choice was get out of bed at night in the dark.

I meant do you chose to awaken, not get out of the bed.

You do chose to get up and go to the batheroom, but I don't think there's any kind of intention of stubbing your toe. Intention is necessary for choice right? In order to choose something you have to know what you are choosing, even if it is that you are choosing the unknown. There's no choice involved in this, no want either.

Originally Posted by theMagician

Let's take a car accident for example. Once it happens, you may think, wrong place wrong time, completely random I didn't chose this, right?

Then you may think, well if I stayed at work for another 5 min. To finish some paperwork, or taken that last phone call, I would not have been at this place at the wrong time. See.

You still didn't choose to get in an accident, you just chose to do what you chose to do and happened to get into an accident on the way. Since you don't know whats going to happen you aren't really chosing it are you?

**tommo** · 03-27-2011 03:25 AM

No that's just wrong. You didn't read what I said. I said for some reason or another your body decides to flick your leg out a bit too far and your toe slams in to the corner of the wall.
You didn't choose to do that. Sometimes you just get a weird twitch or something and it does that. People don't choose to stub their toe.

I also didn't choose to be born.

**theMagician** · 03-27-2011 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by stonedape

I meant do you chose to awaken, not get out of the bed.

You do chose to get up and go to the batheroom, but I don't think there's any kind of intention of stubbing your toe. Intention is necessary for choice right? In order to choose something you have to know what you are choosing, even if it is that you are choosing the unknown. There's no choice involved in this, no want either.

You still didn't choose to get in an accident, you just chose to do what you chose to do and happened to get into an accident on the way. Since you don't know whats going to happen you aren't really chosing it are you?

I see your point about the choice, but it is still of your doing, accident or not.

**Lseadragon** · 03-28-2011 02:00 AM

Let's see.

What if you are walking and forget to notice a step so when you step you fall due to your sudden imbalance? I cannot concieve in that situation that you wanted to fall, though you certainly did it yourself.

**Marvo** · 03-28-2011 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by sloth

I am presenting the assertion that one is UNABLE to do ANYthing that he does not want to do.

Absolutely. This is no secret.

**sloth** · 03-28-2011 08:34 PM

Nobody chooses to awaken (usually). This is true. However, nobody chooses for their heart to beat again either. Nobody chooses to chew their food. How does this happen?

Nobody chooses to stub their toe (usually). This is true. However, nobody chooses to miss a target either. If I throw a basketball at a basketball hoop, and it hits some old lady in the face instead, I didn't choose to miss the basketball hoop. I chose to throw the ball at a target. That is what I did. If the ball did not hit the target due to bad aim, air current, or low flying cargo planes, that is not part of the decision process.

**Artelis** · 03-28-2011 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

fixed

philosopherLoned

duh.

**Artelis** · 03-28-2011 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by Marvo

Absolutely. This is no secret.

The Illuminati would disagree.

obviously.

**Will1** · 03-28-2011 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Artelis

duh.

That's getting old.

Originally Posted by Artelis

obviously.

Obviously* getting old, my bad.

**Artelis** · 03-28-2011 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Will1

That's getting old.

Obviously* getting old, my bad.

just couldn't handle ignoring me, huh? Livin rent free. Right in your brain. Awwwww yeah.

**Will1** · 03-28-2011 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Artelis

just couldn't handle ignoring me, huh? Livin rent free. Right in your brain. Awwwww yeah.

Don't flatter yourself, I switch through tabs faster than your mom goes through men.
// That's hellafast.

**Artelis** · 03-28-2011 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Will1

Don't flatter yourself, I switch through tabs faster than your mom goes through men.
// That's hellafast.

Oh hey there again cutie pie. glad to see you still love me.

I'mma call you mr. speedy!

edit: oh right, but anyway, you seem to have missed the point. And you're replying to a troll. Instantly lose 20 IQ points, do not pass go!

**Will1** · 03-28-2011 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Artelis

Oh hey there again cutie pie. glad to see you still love me.

I'mma call you mr. speedy!

Watch it son, only your mom calls me that. (Unless she's the one typing for you?)
In that case, what time would you like me to come over, honey?

**Artelis** · 03-28-2011 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Will1

Watch it son, only your mom calls me that. (Unless she's the one typing for you?)
In that case, what time would you like me to come over, honey?

Taking a poll. Is it even worth it to point out that you just called yourself a two pump chump? Nah.

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