The only possible end goal for humanity could be an end of humanity. |
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And if so, what should it be? What'll we do if we reach it? Create a dream world, dreamviews. |
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Last edited by Abra; 05-22-2012 at 05:09 PM.
Abraxas
Originally Posted by OldSparta
The only possible end goal for humanity could be an end of humanity. |
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Last edited by Omnis Dei; 05-22-2012 at 07:19 AM.
Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
Either, my point is the concept of an end goal means all goals would end after it's achieved. It sort of conflicts with infinity. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
I almost followed your red herring with a huge post about the nature of the universe but I deleted it because I realized it was one massive tangent. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
Didn't realize it was a red herring, bro. Misunderstood you. Now I got it. |
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Abraxas
Originally Posted by OldSparta
A complete understanding of all physical laws and phenomena would seem to be a worthy goal. |
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Well, I think there are a lot of things we should be striving for. Working towards multiple objectives, with short term goals and long terms goals in mind. But if I were to sum it all up into one overarching idea, it would basically be what Photolysis has said. Learn as much about our existence as possible. Study everything we can. Neuroscience, quantum physics, astrophysics, computer technology, etc. Everything from the very small to the very large. Discover as much as we can about it all and expand our knowledge to its very limit (if there is indeed a limit to how much we can know). |
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Hm. Learning is cool. But pure learning is just mental masturbation (and I do love me some masturbation). From there, what would we do with it? |
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Abraxas
Originally Posted by OldSparta
Science gives us numerous way to interpret the size of the universe, or whether it's open or closed. Science's mapping of the universe does not indicate that the universe is closed, but because the universe came into being at some point in the past, we can only see a certain distance, and consequentially a certain time into the past. |
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I'm talking about when the stars all burn out. Heat death. Doesn't seem to be much of a way around it, even if the universe expands infinitely. Unless it's like a grand accordion, expanding and contracting but playing different harmonies (initial conditions) each time. (But, if Big Bang Theory is true, how would anything from one universe survive the rebirth?) |
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Abraxas
Originally Posted by OldSparta
Well, a case could be made advocating learning for learning's sake. If you were to ask people on the very frontiers of science how they felt about the work they were doing, I suspect many of them would tell you that they feel a great sense of fulfillment. Venturing into the unknown, finding new and exciting things that change the way you see the world. You can see the appeal. The process of discovery can be, in and of itself, exhilarating. |
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Last edited by HeavySleeper; 05-22-2012 at 06:17 PM.
On simulated worlds in conjunction with creating heaven on earth--I recommend Asimov's The End of Eternity. Also a good love story. |
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Abraxas
Originally Posted by OldSparta
The "end goal" for humanity is to achieve ultimate survival. Ultimate survival defined as the longest possible age we can live too, and the conditions that occupy the state at any given moment, like how happy we feel. |
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Last edited by Dreams4free; 05-22-2012 at 11:54 PM.
It might be arrogant to say so but I think humans should strive to survive forever, even past the end of this universe. One long term goal would thus be to find a way to survive the end of the universe, either by making our own, or traveling to another. |
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I very much approve of this thread. Awesome posts, you guys, a really great read! |
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I think the end goal is basically to understand all the non-trivial experiences. This ties in with the learning, but is also more subjective in nature. For instance, our eyes only have a limited spectral range. We already understand the ideas of the spectrum beyond this visible range; but we do not understand the experience of this spectrum as the Hubble Space Telescope might, or as a squid might, or as a bat might. These are the goals we are trying for every day in getting to know people; through our limited language mediums we understand a little better. |
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Originally Posted by Taosaur
I want my descendents to serve as Jedi. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
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