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      All that matters is your survival. I think decency is confused with generosity.
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      What other kind of empathy is there? This thread doesn't really make sense.

      Obviously more than just survival matters, if survival is all that matters then why are you wasting time posting on a webforum? Go get better at surviving.
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      I think you're intending to say is that people often pretend to be empathetic because it's expected, while they don't actually feel it. If this is what you're saying, then I strongly agree with you. I wish that people didn't do this, since I'd rather live in a brutal world where people didn't lie than a pretty one where they do.

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      Good.
      Then everything in nature tries to survive better.
      And when you're realizing that the moral codes are not corresponding to the harmony of the survival,
      you're turning to yourself to find the point that connects your survival with the moral code which is going to bring you decency.
      And then you're realizing you have something to worry.
      And then you're turning inwards to yourself.
      And through yourself you find others and more things around you.
      And this is EMPATHY.
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      I disagree that survival is all that really matters. If you're a detriment to the rest of humanity I wouldn't say that it matters very much and that your survival instinct is lying to you lol.

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      I think kindness is confused with weakness.

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      I was mainly talking from a natural point. I should have gotten deeper with the question.

      Can you really care for others not in your family? We can feel care for our family because they are a part of us directly, through blood. Without understanding others completely you cannot be fully empathetic towards them. When it comes down to a wolf pack or tribe where you are making a bond with the sense of family in it, is when you can care for them. Tsiouz went way deeper in a way I can't explain better, which I think sums up and creates an answer to my question. But the main argument I had when making this question was geared towards those you don't understand. If I show generosity and give a homeless man money, I do not have care for him, I do not know him, I am just being decent. There are tragedies far from home every day but that distance is what makes me have no care.
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      This is how a sentence is formed, and when you add a comma you create a compound sentence; here, a semi-colon is introduced to connect two different but similar ideas with the help of conjunctions.

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      Sorry I'll work on that but could you also try to make a productive contribution to the thread?
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      As we learn from Game Theory, the most successful method of negotiation is 90% tit for tat, 10% Jesus. This is obviously an over simplification, but it serves as a good reminder of the personal interests that motivate selflessness, generosity, loyalty and trust.

      And this is the same reason why our stories give so much lip-service loyalty, teamwork and sacrifice. The stories which glorify empathy, and the empathy itself, are both integral to survival. Stories are not teaching us the difference between right and wrong, in reality they're teaching us the difference between short-term success and long term sustainability. Good wouldn't be good if it didn't service survival better than bad. Being part of something greater than yourself increases the chances of your survival, as well as the survival of the larger organism. Choosing to be selfish and disregard the needs of the larger organism makes you a cancer, and if the larger organism succumbs to cancer, the cancer does not live on without it. At this stage in our evolution, it is vitally important to our survival that we practice empathy and trust.
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