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      Okay, I'll give it a try now.

      What I'm talking about (to give very simple examples) is like, the never-ending war of determinism/indeterminism, the never-ending debate on whether god exists or not, the never-ending two sided anything.

      Can we free ourselves from dualistic thought patterns? Is it in our nature to think this way? And is it in the nature?

      I can't find words. It's almost like I'm thinking without words. I can't tell and it's frustrating.
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      A very short version: What you say makes no sense to me. I think nobody ever thinks dualisticially, if I correctly understood what you meant by "dualistic". *This sounds a bit harsh, I have friendly intentions! And my aim is to explore ideas. I am simply too lazy to make it sound more friendly/less confrontational* = )

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      There are things that people think about where the answer is not "it's either this side or that side". It can be an open question, like "What happens when a star explodes?" There is nothing dualistic about it. "Does god exist or not?" I'm not sure if that's a proper question, because there can be many gods, or the thing that people think about when they say god may not exist but a different kind of god might exist, you know? Sometimes it's not useful to see a question as a matter of 1 side being true or false.

      "And is it in the nature?" What the hell does that mean? xD

      "Is it in our nature to think this way?" It seems that on the surface we do think this way, but when you actually look at why you ask a question, it's more complicated.

      "Can we free ourselves from dualistic thought patterns?" I am already free of dualistic thought patterns and I don't think I ever suffered from it.

      I'll try to give an example of how I think, I hope it makes sense and maybe it helps you answer your question. So when I thought "Should I respond to this thread?", it was clearly a yes or no question. But it's not like I was continuously going back and forth from yes to no to yes to no. I ask myself several questions: is this interesting, do I already have a view on this, if not, do I want to/care enough to/want to spend energy to form an opinion? This goes back to whether it's interesting. What does she actually mean, what did Samael say? If what Samael said made no sense, should I try to correct him or just ignore him and focus on figurefly's question? So even though I started with a yes or no question, there is nothing dualistic about my thought pattern. I don't know what to call it or how to describe it, but it's not at all dualistic.

      I'll continue: Hmm, I think I have an idea of what she means. *writewritewrite* Nah, that's not quite right. I don't get it, screw this, I want to watch Flying Circus and continue eating this carrot. *later on* What about this.. *write* So here I am. Nowhere did I actually answer "Should I respond to this thread?" Looking back, I'm not even sure what exactly the function of that question was, maybe all it needed to do was give me a little push in a certain direction that seemed interesting. If right now after some thought I realized that all this was nonsense, I might say "well screw this I don't want to think anymore", I would delete this respons and the answer will be "no". But then minutes later I might develop some curiosity and I will want to elaborate on my idea and maybe share it, and then it will be yes again. I just went in a direction and had different questions and decisions where the initial question is not relevant anymore.

      Did this make sense or did I totally miss the point?
      Last edited by Ginsan; 10-02-2015 at 01:52 PM.
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