Thread: How Can Death Be Eternal Bliss?

That reminds me of a odd theory I have. Let say there is no afterlife or anything and lets assume that time goes on forever. Given enough time some where in the world at some point in time, there will be a person born with all your exact memories. Infact given enough time someone could have your exact memories and all your atoms that your body is made of right this second.

Now I am not talking a trillion years from now, I am talking about centillion years. And when I say centillion I mean the british verson with 600 0's on the end. Then probably even farther than that, the ones that if I said start sounding made up because their so large.

Because your right, given a infinite amount of time, all things will happen.

in theory

The chance of us coming to exist again are about the same as me groing a second 30 inch penis. I mean one 30 inch penis is a gawddamn miracle but Two of them?!

haha

Originally Posted by blade5x

However, everything science has taught us - is that in existance, a series of events do follow eachother. This is where the concept of time comes from. Going back to our nights going by in a slip second, the same would apply for an entire eternity. It doesn't matter if you add a few million years or not, it will pass just as quickly for one who lost their complete conception of time. That would mean, something eventually would have to happen. Given an infinite amount of time, quantum physics, pretty such saying anything is possible - given an infinite amount of time, we would at somepoint come to exist again.[/b]

So you're saying that because there is such a thing as time... that means that death can't be forever? I hope you realize that there is nothing even remotely resembling logic in this statement.

And what the FUCK does quantum physics have to do with anything?

This sounds like one of those "profound" theories that people sometimes come up with while tripping on acid.

Originally Posted by DuB

So you're saying that because there is such a thing as time... that means that death can't be forever? I hope you realize that there is nothing even remotely resembling logic in this statement.
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Doesn't take to much thought really. I guess you don't understand the concept of "infinite time" or "forever", read below, it might make things a tad easier on you. And I don't view time as actually "existing" - I'd rather not get into further discussion on this because honestly a whole new topic might as well be made.

Because your right, given a infinite amount of time, all things will happen.
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And what the FUCK does quantum physics have to do with anything?
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I'll let you figure that one out on your own since you don't know how to ask nicely

Originally posted by 'Neruo'

The chance of us coming to exist again are about the same as me groing a second 30 inch penis. I mean one 30 inch penis is a gawddamn miracle but Two of them?!

smiley.gif haha

If only we actually knew for a fact that the universe would collapse in on itself one day, then I think the chances would be pretty good But as now science tells us it is flat and therefore will never collapse in on itself.

I hate to sound like I'm completely hung up on this, but Bohm's Implicate/Explicate Order theory and the surrounding Holomovement concept are, at the very least theories to consider if you want to know a rational arguement behind "the afterlife." (otherwise referred to as "continuation of consciousness.")

Originally Posted by DuB

And what the FUCK does quantum physics have to do with anything?
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Well, if quantum entanglement really is what Einstein referred to as "spooky action at a distance," and not some undiscovered misconception, then that, along with the Schroedinger's Cat interpretation of quantum mechanics, actually helps give evidence toward "metaphysicality," and the possibility of continuation of consciousness. It isn't proof, but it's something no self-respecting scientist should ignore, despite its controversy.

well i actually think the theory that the universe will collapse on itself is very outdated.

The new version is that the universe will expand forever and burn out until it's singular atoms getting farhter and farther away. in this theory the universe, like us, will cease to exist. never to be around again. only a small fraction of a blip in all eternity, maybe even smaller. Much like our very own lives.

it took me a while to get used to this theory. but i take pride in the fact that I get to exist. and because i do the universe will never be the same.

10 trillion years before the last star burns out BTW

Originally Posted by ranma187

well i actually think the theory that the universe will collapse on itself is very outdated.

The new version is that the universe will expand forever and burn out until it's singular atoms getting farhter and farther away. in this theory the universe, like us, will cease to exist. never to be around again. only a small fraction of a blip in all eternity, maybe even smaller. Much like our very own lives.

it took me a while to get used to this theory. but i take pride in the fact that I get to exist. and because i do the universe will never be the same.

10 trillion years before the last star burns out BTW
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Well, there's still all the energy left over. The matter may be destroyed (actually it would just be converted into some form of energy), so technically the universe would still exist, but not in physical form

But then there's black holes. Maybe they will end up saving the universe! (if it is expanding for good)

yeah. i see what you are saying. a lot of people think our life force is a wave.

think gravity. at first people thought mtter generated gravity. new findings are telling that gravity is a wave and comes into existence when matter interacts with it. same could be said for our conciousness. i wonder where our conciousness goes after we die?

Originally Posted by blade5x

Some people believe that after we die, that's it. There is nothing more, we cease to exist - forever.

Let's just say, to make it fair, that after we die, we do cease to exist conciously. It's like as if we are in a deep sleep. However, when we got to sleep, a night passes by and sometimes you'll have to wake up early, and may even complain that it went by to quickly. I'm talking about deep sleep, without REM periods. REM periods actually add to the length of the night - as long as you remember your dreams. The same concept would follow after death if we were to cease to exist. However, one might say, that "non-exsitance" will go on forever.

However, everything science has taught us - is that in existance, a series of events do follow eachother. This is where the concept of time comes from. Going back to our nights going by in a slip second, the same would apply for an entire eternity. It doesn't matter if you add a few million years or not, it will pass just as quickly for one who lost their complete conception of time. That would mean, something eventually would have to happen. Given an infinite amount of time, quantum physics, pretty such saying anything is possible - given an infinite amount of time, we would at somepoint come to exist again.

The easiest example I could give of this is - let's say our universe will collapse in on itself in the future into one tiny infinitesimally small space, and then it will reach a critical point, and boom it explodes again - the big bang just happened, and here we are all again making another trip around, with no recollection of what happened in the previous universe.

I just find self-awareness to be very special, I just can't see it as being lost once it has been. I'm not talking about knowing who you are, but just being aware in general, of existance, of everything.
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Suprisingly, i was explaining this to a friend right before i saw this post.
As soon as we die (im going nihilist here, that doesnt mean i am though) we could just completely disapear. We will not be able to remember anything, hell, we wont even know we existed, double hell, we wont even KNOW anything.

Originally Posted by ranma187

yeah. i see what you are saying. a lot of people think our life force is a wave.

think gravity. at first people thought mtter generated gravity. new findings are telling that gravity is a wave and comes into existence when matter interacts with it. same could be said for our conciousness. i wonder where our conciousness goes after we die?
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I mis-understood that a little, but I know the whole dilemna with gravity. Science doesn't know where it comes from of how it really exists - Einstein's space-time theory gave an illustration of how gravity possibly worked, but it did not make sense IMO.

Also, solid matter only makes up about .1% of our universe. 20% is made from dark matter, and the rest is dark energy. It's odd how we can't find this dark matter, we can only detect it through xrays showing up telling us there should be matter there when we see nothing! God works in super-mysterious ways. (And also without this dark matter, the universe would not be close to critical mass as it is)

I would hope to beleive that whatever you beleive will happen to you in the afterlife will come true, such as a dream.

what about other realities? Multipule dementions? They arn't bound by the same rules as ours.

Originally Posted by Keeper

what about other realities? Multipule dementions? They arn't bound by the same rules as ours.
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But with that we don't know for a fact that they exist. Quantum Physics and String Theory may be one the verge of proving something like this, but as of now, we have no proof.

I'm trying to stick strictly to things that have been proven, for all the people who like to stick to science. Some say science does not prove life after death - I'm saying that I believe it does with what has already been given to me The thing is, we don't always need every single fact to know something for sure. You can take each known part and draw a conclusion that is correct - I'm not saying I am correct, but things sometimes tend to work like this

Originally Posted by blade5x

But with that we don't know for a fact that they exist. Quantum Physics and String Theory may be one the verge of proving something like this, but as of now, we have no proof.

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Actually string theory is about the existance of 6 or 7 more demensions all wraped into ours, but invisible to us. It's just an attempt to tie the relativity- and quantum-mechanics theories together. The last two are gernerally accepted as by far the most logical. The sting theory is often disputed, just becouse the other two theories can be tested and calculated in certain ways, but the string theory is so vague it has never and probably can't really be tested.

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Death is just the absence of all, we can not imagen that. If we close our eyes completely we still don't see what a blind man sees. If we are in a silent room we still don't hear what a deaf man hears. Closest thing to death is sleep minus the dream. No concience, no conception of time, nothing.

Death is a completely subjective experience, so we can't say that after death there is nothing, as it is impossible to experience nothing. Instead, our dying moment is frozen in time for all of eternity.

I'm paraphrasing Socrates: "It would be like all of time in a single night, in which you slept so soundly, you did not even dream."

Originally Posted by Manifold_Time

I'm paraphrasing Socrates: "It would be like all of time in a single night, in which you slept so soundly, you did not even dream."
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You can imagine that fairly clearly while you're still alive, but when you're dead there's no time for you to experience anything. Time stops because you are unable to experience it. The last experience you have will stand before you for all eternity.

Originally Posted by blade5x

Given an infinite amount of time, quantum physics, pretty such saying anything is possible - given an infinite amount of time, we would at somepoint come to exist again.
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But to say that we would retain the same memories as our current life, wouldn't that be implying either that the atoms themselves retain memories or that consciousness itself is eternal?

If reincarnation were true, I would tend to believe in the former. Only because if consciousness were eternal, wouldn't that mean that there would be some babies born with the knowledge of a previous lifetime? Or maybe consciousness is eternal and there is some metaphysical mechanism at death, or birth, that obscures the previous life's memories, only to be unlocked with intense meditation or any like metaphysical training or just a freak occurence.

I'm just a little confused about your overall point, though. So you're suggesting that some form of reincarnation exists?

I'm open to the argument, I'm just wondering.