I thought of this before... |
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Suppose for a second that humans have finally discovered the key to creating the all powerful quantum computer. Suppose that we have almost infinite computational resources at our disposal. And now, suppose that someone decides that this is the perfect chance to play god. |
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I thought of this before... |
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No no, we only create the initial beginning. Life sort or creates itself, primordial soup style. |
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However the solar system was initially forged (I'm assuming lots to do with gravity and explosions). |
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ok... |
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I'm implying that nature and the universe created it's own life. If atoms act as though they were real, they will eventually begin the process of evolution and create life. |
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I'm not even going to say what I'm thinking right now... It'll get the atheists screaming again.... |
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You wouldn't have to program all that stuff. You'd just have to create the beginning of the universe, all the physics rules and everything, and then eventually life would evolve on its own without you making it. But you're right about a program not being concious. |
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Xaqaria
The planet Earth exhibits all of these properties and therefore can be considered alive and its own single organism by the scientific definition.does the planet Earth reproduce, well no unless you count the moon.7. Reproduction: The ability to produce new organisms.
Why is he right about the computer not being concious. All you need is tons of connections, I don't care if they are organic or from something else. It's what makes us concious, that's the important thing. Aren't we programmed to have sex, sleep, eat...? Or did we just choose to eat because we "have" free will. If I throw a ball, it will fly and then fall, just like it was programmed. True that it's not so on a quantum level, but for now it's not so quantum on the macro level. So tell me, why can't we be a program on a computer right now? Tell me why it's not possible that my arm moves just because it's its "destiny" and that I just think it's because I want it so. The same way the stone falls down, not left or right when you let go of it. |
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All a computer does is follow instructions. It will not have conciousness or self-awareness or especially free will by just doing whatever you tell it to do. It doesn't matter how many "connections" you have. It's IMPOSSIBLE. I've thought about it a lot and read books about it and also, I'm a programmer and know how computers work. |
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What if you instruct a computer to learn. And then it learns everything humans know and becomes aware of itself. Is that not what self-awareness is? Is that not what humans did, without our knowledge we are just stupid beings. Also please don't talk about impossibilities, I know of things that are more impossible than a computer that happens to be aware. |
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The only thing it could do then, is make it look exactly like it's self-aware and make decisions that would make it look like it's self-aware. It will never be possible for a computer program to be self-aware in the way we are though. |
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This topic is basically, awful |
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"...You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world..." - Terence McKenna
Previously known as imran_p
Er, I said that in my post. About both the irony and the hypotheticality of such a powerful computer. |
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I reget to inform you all that you have actually been living in such virtual universe, and that this project has almost reached it's conclusion and will be terminated shortly. Sorry for any inconvinience this may cause. |
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If there is no God and no spirits: It would turn out EXACTLY like it did in real life. And it would be a paradox. Because this computer's memory would have to be larger than the whole universe to contain the virtual universe (with the size of our current computer memory, it'd probably be milllions or billions or trillions of times bigger than the universe.) We'd be able to speed up virtual time and see ourselves in the future. That's where the paradox is... us in the virtual universe would eventually get to the point where they'd invent this computer too, that's larger than the universe, and then there would be an infinite of these virtual computers all inside each other. |
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LD Count: 7
Longest time in a lucid dreamstate: ~6 seconds
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"...You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world..." - Terence McKenna
Previously known as imran_p
Most of what you talk about in your post is already possible, w/ the exception of the ability to bring characters into the real world. For example, a good programmer could easily create a video game where all of the above occurs in a cyber world. You can also travel in the virtual world by the means of virtual goggles (I don't know the technical term for them ). Actually, you can bring characters into the real world, as holograms. They don't do much, but it is possible. Now you can take any random video game, and program characters to do whatever you want them to be able to do w/o having to worry about the laws of physics or anything else. You could make your character levitate 100 feet off the ground and throw fireballs at some random opponent. They can also be set to act on their own. This is called either auto play or a demo, depending on what mode you set the game on. Now, even w/ these characters already existing in their own little cyber world, they are not real. They have no feelings, no desires, no free will. They do as you tell them to do and always will. The characters cannot suddenly decide that they don't feel like playing you're little game any more and revolt. So, why would any other program be different? Any program, no matter how advanced, would have the same basic concepts of a video game. And no matter how realistic the characters are, you could never truly give them life. |
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —George Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004
This is just going to devolve into (if not already there) a mudfight between materialists and dualists/spiritualists/immaterialists/interstellar cheese beings. Basically what we're asking is "if we begin a system with starting variables identical to our universe's, will life and eventually copies of us come to be?" Of course, and all we're arguing about now is (beyond hypotheticality) if that's actually possible or not - whether we can recreate "spirit" in a computer, or if such an ephemeral quality even exists. |
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Quite interesting topic. |
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“What a peculiar privilege has this little agitation of the brain which we call 'thought'” -Hume
I don't think we'd create ourselves again, as in a paradox, but I do think we'd come closer to the meaning of life/our existence and how we/the "I" are here. |
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