Thread: does anyone else think this?

yes like atoms, how the electrons and stuff defy previous laws e.g. newtons laws of motion, these gaps were finaly filled by quantum theory.

so my point is one day they will be able to find the answer to or unanswered question.

by the way u cant prove that u are right either

Originally Posted by slash112

yes like atoms, how the electrons and stuff defy previous laws e.g. newtons laws of motion, these gaps were finaly filled by quantum theory.

so my point is one day they will be able to find the answer to or unanswered question.

by the way u cant prove that u are right either

When it comes to a claim about the existence of something "you can't prove it doesn't exist" isn't an argument, at all. I assume it is because the argument it is responding to is usually "you have given no proof for its existence." The problem is that the only proof of the non-existence of the claim is the nonexistence of evidence.

But the problem here is that supernatural claims ARE NOT HARD to prove, or at least they would not be hard to prove if they were true. Your argument that "gaps can be filled" is no argument at all. A claim such as supernatural things exists would not be hard to prove, at all.

how do u prove somethhng like that.

Originally Posted by slash112

how do u prove somethhng like that.

Are you serious?

A list of claims that should be easy to prove.


Telepathy,
Telekinesis,
Ghosts that inhabit houses, or grounds.
Spirits,
Shamans,
wizards,
Wicca witchcraft.

Do I really need to go on?

no im just talking about ghosts

Originally Posted by slash112

no im just talking about ghosts

Ghosts were in the list, ghosts should be easily proven. Ghosts are said to "haunt specific grounds," or "linger around certain people," etc. It would not be difficult to observe this if ghosts truly existed.

yes people have shown this, but people who cant accept it, want a scientific explanation. people have infact shown what goes on in their houses to people and even shown on tv.
but what im saying is that their will one day be calculations/theories involved

Originally Posted by Sandform

A list of claims that should be easy to prove.

Shamans

Do you have knowledge what a shaman is? What do you want to proof about shamanism and tell me how it is easy to prove?

goddamn I hate this thread.

Originally Posted by Omicron

goddamn I hate this thread.

Fucking sexy hair.

Originally Posted by Unelias

Do you have knowledge what a shaman is? What do you want to proof about shamanism and tell me how it is easy to prove?

According to Carlos Castenada Shamans can communicate with beings "beyond the gate" and you can actually be physically taken to that place. You can also have these creatures physically come into being on our planet.


Shamans supposedly often communicate with these spiritual worlds etc.

He even goes on to say that shamans can live forever if they figure out how to do it. His story about the one who could change his form and "trade" energy with other shamans to live forever was just ridiculous.

In other words, shamans are supposed to have supernatural powers that are based in reality, and not solely inside their insane heads, and these powers are entirely testable, especially their supposed ability to tell the future and communicate with spirits.


I blame Uri gellar for the continued 10% of your brain myth. He used that as his "explanation" for his fictional supernatural abilities for a while.

Originally Posted by Sandform

According to Carlos Castenada Shamans can communicate with beings "beyond the gate" and you can actually be physically taken to that place. You can also have these creatures physically come into being on our planet.

Carlos Castaneda is quite "interesting" person. Still take a notice that his form of shamanism is (supposedly) that of American Indians. In northern shamanism, which I practice, there is no mention what so ever that you physically taken or "draw something out of there". The whole journey is all about spiritual.

He even goes on to say that shamans can live forever if they figure out how to do it. His story about the one who could change his form and "trade" energy with other shamans to live forever was just ridiculous.

Never heard anything like that unless it was meant as symbolic spiritual existance, which can be seen that your shamanistic spirit moves to Ylinen or Alinen after you depart from this world ( upper and lower planes). You are right, that sound ridicilous. However, that is not my view of shamanism, that's his
.

In other words, shamans are supposed to have supernatural powers that are based in reality, and not solely inside their insane heads, and these powers are entirely testable, especially their supposed ability to tell the future and communicate with spirits.

Shaman powers are not seen as supernatural. They are seen as basic human power that selected few carry out in the society. In past times, being elected as shaman was not usually joy because it brought down a great responsibility. I still don't understand how do you "entirely test" communication with spirit world that shaman do? Please do tell me.

Also do you have some kind of misleading idea that "telling the future" just pops out in your head. Think it more like that you dream and you have to interpret your dreamsigns in order to have messages.

But I am really looking forward how do you scientifically research spirit journey, especially when shaman do not do it for fun.

To the brain usage : still science hasn't totally found out what parts of brain are used for certain feats i.e Tibetan monks controlling their body to the limits. Also to the glial cells, they are still kind of weird concept since although their major purpose is to support brain and bring nutrition, they might have bigger role in signal transmitting. Since, at least what I remember, they produce myelin, which is speeds up impulses movement in fibers. I am not sure about this, I gotta look for some books, but I think newer studies have pointed towards that glial cells can produce neurotransmitters.

This all just popped into my mind because I recalled an article about Einsteins' brains having very great amount of glial cells. But well theory is a theory.

Originally Posted by Sandform

When it comes to a claim about the existence of something "you can't prove it doesn't exist" isn't an argument, at all. I assume it is because the argument it is responding to is usually "you have given no proof for its existence." The problem is that the only proof of the non-existence of the claim is the nonexistence of evidence.

But the problem here is that supernatural claims ARE NOT HARD to prove, or at least they would not be hard to prove if they were true. Your argument that "gaps can be filled" is no argument at all. A claim such as supernatural things exists would not be hard to prove, at all.

I'm sure you've asked many wiccans to perform spells for you and saw they didn't work...

They are hard to prove, I'd say impossible. Society does not accept supernatural beliefs, hard evidence or not it would be laughed out by the majority of the scientific community.

I've seen may a spell casted and worked.. So... I have seen it in action.

Simple as putting a penny in my shoe after he said a little spell. Saying I would "Run into some money".

Later that day I ran my foot into about 20 pennies next to eachother on the ground.

Coincidence I'm sure. haha.



Don't worry guys, you'll have many chances at life to get it right(In my opinion only of course)

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Later that day I ran my foot into about 20 pennies next to eachother on the ground.

Coincidence I'm sure. haha.

Actually yeah it is a coincidence, cause I'm pretty sure the point of that spell wasn't to run into 20 pennies...it was probably to get you some extra cash that was worth something.

You've put it in your mind that anything that comes remotely close to the spell working would mean the spell worked. You would have also thought the spell worked if you got 200$ for some lame reason or found a 20 beneath the seat cushions or in your wallet that you lost 10 years ago. I have run across pennies before on the ground collectively myself before. The most logical thing to do would be to first consider where you found the pennies and why it is likely they are there. You only "remember" the pennies because it "seemed" to be a hit and not a miss. If you weren't doing that stupid spell you wouldn't even remember the pennies, and them any other pennies you have likely came across in life.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Actually yeah it is a coincidence, cause I'm pretty sure the point of that spell wasn't to run into 20 pennies...it was probably to get you some extra cash that was worth something.

You've put it in your mind that anything that comes remotely close to the spell working would mean the spell worked. You would have also thought the spell worked if you got 200$ for some lame reason or found a 20 beneath the seat cushions or in your wallet that you lost 10 years ago. I have run across pennies before on the ground collectively myself before. The most logical thing to do would be to first consider where you found the pennies and why it is likely they are there. You only "remember" the pennies because it "seemed" to be a hit and not a miss. If you weren't doing that stupid spell you wouldn't even remember the pennies, and them any other pennies you have likely came across in life.

Of course it's a coincidence, no matter what or why it happened, it would have been in your eyes.. But if you understood the power of your words you would understand why I Literally ran into some money. He didn't specify how much, so to assume a large monetary value is silly.

Someone could cast a spell that they will get hit by a tiny meteorite and after getting hit with it you'd still probably just call it a coincidence. That's basically why your opinion on the logicality is pointless to me.
I knew what you were gonna say before you said it, though that wasn't my psychic powers that was my intuition.

It was about 10 minutes after the guy said it, pitch black outside mind you I just happened to drag my foot at the right time.. But sure, all coincidence after all nothing supernatural or unexplainable has ever happened in life. We are only a factor of science...

(I also love how you've entered my mind and know exactly how I think.. are you psychic yourself? Or just making stupid assumptions.)

So let me start with my own, you put your mind into the unbelieving anything that hasn't been explained to you by science... Enjoy yourself, I'll continue to control my destiny a little more than you.

P.S. When the spell worked, meaning I ran into the pennies I was talking to my Girlfriend paying no attention to my conscious self..

P.S.S. You obviously don't understand the basics of magic, a very complicated artform that has survived longer than any major religion. Present at times in almost all religions... shunned out of some. I wonder why...

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Of course it's a coincidence, no matter what or why it happened, it would have been in your eyes.. But if you understood the power of your words you would understand why I Literally ran into some money. He didn't specify how much, so to assume a large monetary value is silly.

Someone could cast a spell that they will get hit by a tiny meteorite and after getting hit with it you'd still probably just call it a coincidence. That's basically why your opinion on the logicality is pointless to me.
I knew what you were gonna say before you said it, though that wasn't my psychic powers that was my intuition.

It was about 10 minutes after the guy said it, pitch black outside mind you I just happened to drag my foot at the right time.. But sure, all coincidence after all nothing supernatural or unexplainable has ever happened in life. We are only a factor of science...

(I also love how you've entered my mind and know exactly how I think.. are you psychic yourself? Or just making stupid assumptions.)

So let me start with my own, you put your mind into the unbelieving anything that hasn't been explained to you by science... Enjoy yourself, I'll continue to control my destiny a little more than you.

P.S. When the spell worked, meaning I ran into the pennies I was talking to my Girlfriend paying no attention to my conscious self..

P.S.S. You obviously don't understand the basics of magic, a very complicated artform that has survived longer than any major religion. Present at times in almost all religions... shunned out of some. I wonder why...

Lawl ok. I'm so sure. Because words are special! Like there is only one language too and we are born with it and words are inherent... What if I set up a computer to use the voice function to continue to cast a spell over and over again? Would it actually be casting spells or, as I suspect, would it just be making noise like humans do?

I do indeed understand the basic of magic. I see it for what it is, misunderstanding.

First let me ask you this, how often do you and your friends cast magic spells? Is it an amount that is more than just one time in your life? Because if you cast spells continuously, and I don't even mean all the time I just mean that at no point in your life do you stop forever, then you're right it is beyond coincidence that you tripped over some pennies. I would say it indeed goes beyond coincidence, it becomes a logical probability.

First, any number of things could have happened that you would have taken to mean that magic had caused it. Second, the more you cast spells the more likely one of them will seem to have worked because you are only looking at the "hits" instead of the "misses." If I write down thirty random things a day the odds are that by the end of the month I will have had at least as many predictions come true as days in the month, not because I'm "psychic" or have "intuition" but because logically the more you do something like cast spells for something (or *cough* pray *cough*) the more likely it becomes that something resembling it will come true.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Lawl ok. I'm so sure. Because words are special! Like there is only one language too and we are born with it and words are inherent... What if I set up a computer to use the voice function to continue to cast a spell over and over again? Would it actually be casting spells or, as I suspect, would it just be making noise like humans do?

I do indeed understand the basic of magic. I see it for what it is, misunderstanding.

First let me ask you this, how often do you and your friends cast magic spells? Is it an amount that is more than just one time in your life? Because if you cast spells continuously, and I don't even mean all the time I just mean that at no point in your life do you stop forever, then you're right it is beyond coincidence that you tripped over some pennies. I would say it indeed goes beyond coincidence, it becomes a logical probability.

First, any number of things could have happened that you would have taken to mean that magic had caused it. Second, the more you cast spells the more likely one of them will seem to have worked because you are only looking at the "hits" instead of the "misses." If I write down thirty random things a day the odds are that by the end of the month I will have had at least as many predictions come true as days in the month, not because I'm "psychic" or have "intuition" but because logically the more you do something like cast spells for something (or *cough* pray *cough*) the more likely it becomes that something resembling it will come true.

I didn't say their was only one language... Their are thousands of languages, the whole point is what you form an idea then put it into words in whatever language you so please. The whole point is being as specific as possible.. Like the universe couldn't understand every possible language... It's infinite..

I didn't even cast that spell, this older wiccan who owned a shop actually did it.

You just seem to act like you know so much about a subject you have no understanding of , that's what I call misinformation or a biased opinion.

You wouldn't cast the same spell over and over again, that would be redundant and pointless. Once again showing you know nothing about the subject and are just jumping at shadows.

I would say that your post indeed goes beyond coincidence and becomes logical idiocy. (Also known as dancing around with words)

Once again you know nothing about spellwork or how it works, no one ever expects to have every single spell to work. Because just like prayer, it can be, then it shall be or shan't be.


The way you think is just like everything is one giant experiment when you really just need to relax and life take you over and stop over-analyzing everything.

You can say whatever you want really, doesn't change the fact that spells have worked for ages and will continue to work..

I have a feeling no matter what kind of "proof" was shown to you, you wouldn't believe. It's called being immutable, you need to assimilate the aspects of water into your life.

Spells just as prayers can not be answered every single time, after all that would make life far too easy. You always must put effort into your spells to help them come to past. Casting a spell and sitting still will get you nowhere, you must go out and try to accomplish what your spell was meant to do.

You must also understand the way the stars and planets correspond to certain days... But I won't even waste any more text trying to explain something to someone who denounces what I say because of the possibility that doing something tons of times would obviously lead to an eventual coming of what you want.

I've never casted a money spell, and he was the first spell I've ever seen live. And it worked.
And little ones have worked for me, but to each his own. I'll lead my life with just a little bit more control than you.

Actually the more you pray or cast spells the more desperate you look to the universe and the less likely it will answer or care.(but sure, you must be right)

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

If you assume you are in hell, you will never get to heaven.

Definitely. But, if we are in the "real hell", we won't need to assume this. There will be an internal darkness of such an extreme to have one admit that all hope is lost. There, you are stuck in eternal, mental agony. Nowhere to turn, "failure" in every fragment of your mind. Without the light of awareness, nothing real is known.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Actually yeah it is a coincidence,

No matter what context, everything is a "coincidence". Reality is a perfectly operational and unfolding cosmos. An occasional "coincidence" seems to then mean that something has merely met the standards of a persons unique value or meaning at that period of time. If you shift your focus to witness rather than an experience, you will slowly begin to see just how perfectly well timed your universe works; "coincidences" are miraculously commonplace. Synchronicity is naturally everywhere, if we have clouded awareness we may not even notice any of it.

Everything affects everything else, and your strongest intentions are what attracts the proper circumstances. What you hold in mind tends to "manifest". The word "manifest" seems to have a magical or mystical connotation, but it is an appropriate term in a nonlinear universe.

Earth isn't hell, earth is beutifull, look at the nature around you, gaze into the sky at night, it's not like we are in cages. I believe that after we die we either reincarnate as another human, or our energies leave our 3D body and go into the 4th dimension.