Quote Originally Posted by lseadragon View Post
I say the universe was created through time travel.

Either A: Something from this universe somehow creates it through a temporal loop (black hole going back in time or something) or B: Two universes create each other because they have no need for the same timeline, and thus do not violate casuality.

We don't need any starting point.
But ideadragon, that still assumes something existed before the creation of the universe. In your example: either a blackhole or 2 universes. Did those ever not exist? Where did they come from? Am I missing a key point in your explanation? If I am, sorry.