Thread: To all the christians :D

Point proven.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

Well I just brought that up because he was saying that QM supports his ridiculous assertion when it does not such thing. He was probably misunderstanding Schroedinger's cat where a vial of poison is released in a closed box with a cat in it if some quantum state emits a photon. The quantum state is in a mixed state until a measurement occurs and so (by extension) the state of the cat is as well. He was just conflating a situation like that with getting stabbed in the neck. There's no mixed state to begin with and the whole thing happens at a classical level, no QM required. The lengths people will go to to avoid answering simple questions blows my mind sometimes.

Also, I believe that "Nirvana" refers to the state of "cessation of suffering" or "seeing the world clearly". I don't see how it has anything to do with being between alive and dead in the same sense that he was referring to.

Just a quick question as i don't know anything official. But what does Holographic Universe mean.. I thought it came from science but maybe its just speculation. What is ur stance on this subject?

Because when the universe is holographic and the smallest particle is the whole thing i can imagine a person looking inward into the smallest particle and perceiving the universe like a god would.

There are at least two major scientists that came up with a holographic conclusion from a strictly scientific viewpoint, independently from each other. Meaning, they established a possible theory, one of the many (ok, not soo many) explanations trying to fit some issues of physics into one working model. (David Bohm - Physicist and Karl Pribram - Mathematician)

I don't know, I'm a little drunk, I will just throw out a few links I had bookmarked in regards to this idea..

Could the Final Theory Be a Holographic Principle?

A Holographic View of Reality

Michael Talbot - The Holographic Universe (Thinking Allowed)
(Interview with Micheal Talbot, author of "the holographic universe")

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

Sure, he's not being very open minded. And he's not giving you any evidence to work with either. But there's plenty of people who throw it all out in the open. And they do seem like sane people to me and the meaning they give to the word God makes a lot more sense than any religious institution seems to give.
But most people that already have fixed ideas that there is no spirituality to life simply ignore those reports and just label their beliefs as mental disorders.

It comes down to plausibility. Which is more plausible...that an ancient spirit came down and visited him specifically, while denying millions of others his presence, and leaving behind absolutely no empirical evidence whatsoever, or that he suffered a mild hallucination that could have been triggered by literally thousands of things? I'm not ignoring his posts. But I'm not going to be a gullible sap and believe whatever he says without evidence. Might there have actually been a spirit? Sure. Why not? But we haven't even a shred of evidence to show they actually exist. On the other hand, we know hallucinations occur. We know they aren't all that uncommon. The brain could have just as easily created that spirit, all on its lonesome. Now, is that what happened? Who knows? But is it the more plausible of the two? With what we currently know of the universe, yes it is. In other words, I have no reason to believe his ghost story was anything more than a function of the brain.

Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo

I love how those who are ignorant are so blissfully unaware of it.

Please explain how Mario92 is being ignorant.

Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo

I love how those who are ignorant are so blissfully unaware of it.

I'm glad I'm not ignorant! ^ ~ ^

Originally Posted by Mario92

It comes down to plausibility. Which is more plausible...that an ancient spirit came down and visited him specifically, while denying millions of others his presence, and leaving behind absolutely no empirical evidence whatsoever, or that he suffered a mild hallucination that could have been triggered by literally thousands of things? I'm not ignoring his posts. But I'm not going to be a gullible sap and believe whatever he says without evidence. Might there have actually been a spirit? Sure. Why not? But we haven't even a shred of evidence to show they actually exist. On the other hand, we know hallucinations occur. We know they aren't all that uncommon. The brain could have just as easily created that spirit, all on its lonesome. Now, is that what happened? Who knows? But is it the more plausible of the two? With what we currently know of the universe, yes it is. In other words, I have no reason to believe his ghost story was anything more than a function of the brain.

That's some wicked brain functions tho. ^_^
What i meant was that to be truthful most people write stories like these off by either saying its a mental disorder or (since most of these stories spring up in tribes away from society) un evolved people who are just to stupid to be allowed to have any credibility whatsoever. Wich is wrong, because in my point of view the people that live outside of society are hardcore survivors who often developed complex techniques to stay alive. And if u ask them how they learned it they say the Spirits/Ancestors told us.

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

That's some wicked brain functions tho. ^_^
What i meant was that to be truthful most people write stories like these off by either saying its a mental disorder or (since most of these stories spring up in tribes away from society) un evolved people who are just to stupid to be allowed to have any credibility whatsoever.

But why separate the two? Why couldn't hunter gatherers have brains that function essentially the same way that ours do? And wouldn't they be subject to the same glitches?

Wich is wrong, because in my point of view the people that live outside of society are hardcore survivors who often developed complex techniques to stay alive. And if u ask them how they learned it they say the Spirits/Ancestors told us.

Do you mean the elders of the tribe? While they were still alive? Keep in mind that they often think in a much different way then we do. If the ancestors are dead then they're spirits. They're spirits now and so that's how they're referred to. Also don't forget that in many cases, they'll gladly fuck with the white man by making up stupid shit.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

But why separate the two? Why couldn't hunter gatherers have brains that function essentially the same way that ours do? And wouldn't they be subject to the same glitches?

Don't take this wrong, i like you. But when you say it's a glitch and there's nothing else to it that's what i mean with being close minded. You already think you have the answer and you don't have to look any further because its just a glitch right. The universe sprung up from a big bang , stars came to being. stars exploded producing black holes . all the trash around these explosions formed more stars and planets then the earth happened , we evolved from monkeys and now we have humans. and our brain is full of glitches.. I think we're supposed to have these "glitches". But we just don't understand what they are.

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

That's some wicked brain functions tho. ^_^
What i meant was that to be truthful most people write stories like these off by either saying its a mental disorder or (since most of these stories spring up in tribes away from society) un evolved people who are just to stupid to be allowed to have any credibility whatsoever. Wich is wrong, because in my point of view the people that live outside of society are hardcore survivors who often developed complex techniques to stay alive. And if u ask them how they learned it they say the Spirits/Ancestors told us.

Nope
Double nope.

Someone please explain to me how to multi-quote easily without a crap load of copy pasting.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

Do you mean the elders of the tribe? While they were still alive? Keep in mind that they often think in a much different way then we do. If the ancestors are dead then they're spirits. They're spirits now and so that's how they're referred to. Also don't forget that in many cases, they'll gladly fuck with the white man by making up stupid shit.

It's certainly a possibility that when they say ancestors they just mean they teached them while they where alive. But on the other hand some tribes have rituals wich involve communicating with the spirits/ancestors directly. I sure hope their not just fucking with me out of spite

Originally Posted by Mario92

Nope
Double nope.

Ur absolutely right.