I know this will be felt as disrespectful and I´m not even sure it is a worthwhile endeavour to point things like the following out - the "theodicee-question" usually doesn´t bother believers.
Trying to find out how this can be accomplished - I´d like to hear your answers to my questions.
If I only manage to heighten awareness for some dissonances - then something is accomplished in my book.
Okay - please correct me if my assumptions are incorrect and how you would rather see these things:
Originally Posted by TheSilverWolf
As a Christian, I do not believe that God's ultimate plan is to maximize suffering. When a Christian states that God works in mysterious ways, what he is often referring to, is the strange course of events that often lead to another. For example, say I have a child, and said child gets cancer and dies. At the time, I might not understand why God would allow this to happen. I might even blame god for taking the child from me! But, say his case became famous, like so many do. Perhaps it gets extra media attention, perhaps in this little scenario, I'm some famous person and the child becomes a mascot for cancer research, and because that one child had to suffer, millions more don't have to. Hence, "God works in mysterious ways."
And, when one says they don't understand what God's ultimate plan really is, if they are a Christian, I would tell them to look in the Bible, because he pretty much outlines His plan; to do away with the evil in the world, and create a new world where we can all live together in joy and happiness--ie, Heaven.
~SilverWolf~
But you do assume God is almighty and omniscient - don´t you?
And that he did create this world.
So - why would he have to create a new world without evil?
Did he create "evil"?
If so - why?
If not - where does it come from?
How could something come from us, without him creating it, if he did create us?
So - where does it come from if he is really omnipotent - why does it not make poof and all evil is gone right here and now?
Why does he have to fight?
Originally Posted by OneUpBoy71
Ive read the Bible, and Im still a christian. Ive learned to ignore people who spark arguments like this because they are just arrogant. You create a thread so you can argue- thats pathetic. And If Gods ultimate plan was to maximize suffering, well hell, your going down with me and everyone else so i wouldnt care. But seeing the world and all the things in what I believe God created completly goes against your question and makes it irrelevant.You really think God would go through all this trouble in creating and everything else just to make people suffer? If you do thats really sad.
What I fattened first is sort of nice - I know you didn´t mean it like that - but the still is telling..
And - concerning all the trouble and everything else - see above - if his ultimate goal as outlined in the bible was to get us all (?) into an ultimate paradise where there is no evil - why have "evil" in the first place?
A game?
Originally Posted by OneUpBoy71
Man brought sin into the world in the first place, so its not God's fault as much as you want it to be. Dont blame God for what man has done. Man, by sinning, brought sin and every disease and everything bad into the world because of his sinning. God did not give us the disease in the first place, Man did.
Again - if we are his creation - how can we do something and it is not his fault?
Also - wasn´t it the Satan and his serpent who brought man to commit this first sin?
Where does he come from?
If not from God - he must be another God in this system - and that contradicts badly with "there is only one God".
How can it be, God has to fight somebody?
What is evil in your opinion, who is Satan and where in hell - (soz) did he come from?
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