Thread: Another Huge GOD Bash

But according to your lackey, the devil has no power.

He is powerless to those who know he devices...if you don't you wide open to his lies...

Man would rather believe a lie, than the Truth...

Originally posted by Awaken4e1
Man would rather believe a lie, than the Truth...

interesting paradox you've got yourself into there

I'm not in it, the world is...

Originally posted by Awaken4e1
I'm not in it, the world is...

I repeat my previous statement (purely to be annoying)

So how do I know you're not satan sent here to try to trick me with your lies of anti-logic and contrary meaning?

Seems like I'm best to just tell everyone to f*-off and go get drunk...

And I repeat:

I am not of this world, as He is not of this World.
I am in this world , but not of it...

Originally posted by kimpossible
So how do I know you're not satan sent here to try to trick me with your lies of anti-logic and contrary meaning?

Seems like I'm best to just tell everyone to f*-off and go get drunk...

Oh, oh
does he have any powers?

No?

Aaarrgghhh Satan !!!

(K)impossible,

Have you ever noticed that the procedure of becoming possessed is shockingly similar to the process which most institution of higher learning indoctrinate their alumni with?

No - simply because possession has never been shown to exist.

Now a question for you: Did you ever notice that all turdleegurps are blue? That is substantive proof that christianity is the biggest con-game ever fostered upon mankind.

fostered by whom?

Originally posted by kimpossible
No - simply because possession has never been shown to exist.

Now a question for you: Did you ever notice that all turdleegurps are blue? That is substantive proof that christianity is the biggest con-game ever fostered upon mankind.

Just as a little refresher

There are stages to true "possession”
Follow the steps:
1. Exposure to the evil (Making own to it of your openness.)
2. Entertainment (To keep the spirit around.)
3. Engrossment (Full blow obsession of that entertainment.)
4. Emersion (The involuntary lost of one’s identity to the evil.)
5. Possession.

Involvement is only required when possession has manifested, obsession is not an actionable event, only possession is.

The churches. Which are traditionally and ultimately the enforcement arm of the governments. That's who.

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Did you know the lifespan of the turdleegurps is only 9 quinkees long?!?!

the enforcement arm of the governments.[/b]

If that where true then why is the Government taking away religious freedoms from these churches? If they are their 'enforcement'?

Originally posted by Awaken4e1


The devil only has the power (you) give him, which is the only power God allows him to have.

Allowing the devil to have power would be evil. An infinitely powerful being that is totally good would have created a universe without evil or suffering. You might reply with, "Well if God didn't allow evil and suffering, then such and such would happen..." My reply to every response of that type is, "An infinitely powerful being could change that law of reality if it were one."

Originally posted by Universal Mind


Allowing the devil to have power would be evil. An infinitely powerful being that is totally good would have created a universe without evil or suffering. You might reply with, \"Well if God didn't allow evil and suffering, then such and such would happen...\" My reply to every response of that type is, \"An infinitely powerful being could change that law of reality if it were one.\"

ah ha, the age old "Why does the devil exist if god is so powerful" question
this is answered in a hell of a lot of places
Most notably in films
Star Wars & The Matrix are perfect examples

in order to give man freedom of choice
for to dictate man's actions, and restrict his freedom is, in itself, sinful
The devil needs to exist if God exists

balance of power, ying & yang, PJ & Duncan

There's no getting away from it.
For god to exist, the devil must also exist

plus, movies wouldn't be half as good without the little red bugger

Originally posted by Ynot+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ynot)</div>

<!--QuoteBegin-Universal Mind

Allowing the devil to have power would be evil. An infinitely powerful being that is totally good would have created a universe without evil or suffering. You might reply with, \"Well if God didn't allow evil and suffering, then such and such would happen...\" My reply to every response of that type is, \"An infinitely powerful being could change that law of reality if it were one.\"

ah ha, the age old \"Why does the devil exist if god is so powerful\" question
this is answered in a hell of a lot of places
Most notably in films
Star Wars & The Matrix are perfect examples

in order to give man freedom of choice
for to dictate man's actions, and restrict his freedom is, in itself, sinful
The devil needs to exist if God exists

balance of power, ying & yang, PJ & Duncan

There's no getting away from it.
For god to exist, the devil must also exist

plus, movies wouldn't be half as good without the little red bugger[/b]

No, no no. If God is infinitely powerful, he could change the laws of reality so that the devil is NOT needed. Get it?

Cut & paste job

"Man was created for the sole purpose of rejoicing in God, and deriving pleasure from the splendor of His Presence… The place where this joy may truly be derived is the World to Come, which was expressly created to provide for it; but the path to the object of our desires is this world..." (Moshe Chaim Luzzatto, Mesillat Yesharim, Ch.1).

Free will is thus required by God's justice, “otherwise, Man would not be given or denied good for actions over which he had no control” [1]. It is further understood that in order for Man to have true free choice, he must not only have inner free will, but also an environment in which a choice between obedience and disobedience exists. God thus created the world such that both good and evil can operate freely [2]; this is the meaning of the Rabbinic maxim, "All is in the hands of Heaven except the fear of Heaven" (Talmud, Berachot 33b).


for a non-beleiver, I do a fantastic job of defending christianity
I just think it's a really interesting subject
as I said to Kim in a PM - It all started with watching He-Man as a kid

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summarised
The devil needs to exist, so that man can reject him
because only in rejection of the devil can man reject all evil

Originally posted by Ynot
Cut & paste job

\"Man was created for the sole purpose of rejoicing in God, and deriving pleasure from the splendor of His Presence… The place where this joy may truly be derived is the World to Come, which was expressly created to provide for it; but the path to the object of our desires is this world...\" (Moshe Chaim Luzzatto, Mesillat Yesharim, Ch.1).

Free will is thus required by God's justice, “otherwise, Man would not be given or denied good for actions over which he had no control” [1]. It is further understood that in order for Man to have true free choice, he must not only have inner free will, but also an environment in which a choice between obedience and disobedience exists. God thus created the world such that both good and evil can operate freely [2]; this is the meaning of the Rabbinic maxim, \"All is in the hands of Heaven except the fear of Heaven\" (Talmud, Berachot 33b).


for a non-beleiver, I do a fantastic job of defending christianity
I just think it's a really interesting subject
as I said to Kim in a PM - It all started with watching He-Man as a kid

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summarised
The devil needs to exist, so that man can reject him
because only in rejection of the devil can man reject all evil

I don't think you are fully getting my point. You are using the argument I argued against ahead of time. You are saying that God HAS TO allow the devil to exist. My point is that an infinitely powerful being would not HAVE TO do anything. By definition, an infinitely powerful being would not be bound by any laws of reality. Do you see what I mean? You are arguing that an infinitely powerful being would be bound by certain laws of reality. I am saying he, by definition, would not. I am saying he could make a universe of nothing but infinitely happy beings who have free will (not that infinitely happy beings would give a damn) and all of its benefits without there being any problem with it.

Furthermore, I don't even believe in free will, but that argument is going on in plenty of other threads. Let's not get into that in this one.

As for your last paragraph, I think man would be best off without any evil to reject.

If you were the creator of existence, would you create the need for evil? I wouldn't, and I say that emphatically, and I am not 100% good.

I don't believe in good or evil.

I believe in Potential. Energy is neutral. People can decide what to do with it.

Right and Wrong and the shades in between.

I guess you'd say that I'm "Chaotic Neutral"

Originally posted by kimpossible
I don't believe in good or evil.

I think every sane person has morals, whether they choose to believe it or not. Although "Good" and "Evil" can sometimes carry too much connotation of the supernatural. Perhaps you could substitute the words for "productive" and "counterproductive."

Nope. I clearly used "Right" and "Wrong".

Originally posted by Universal Mind


Allowing the devil to have power would be evil. *An infinitely powerful being that is totally good would have created a universe without evil or suffering. *You might reply with, \"Well if God didn't allow evil and suffering, then such and such would happen...\" *My reply to every response of that type is, \"An infinitely powerful being could change that law of reality if it were one.\"

This is who the devil, and always has been.

Isa 54:16 Lo, I--I have prepared an artisan, Blowing on a fire of coals, And bringing out an instrument for his work, And I have prepared a destroyer to destroy.

Originally posted by kimpossible
Hey - you have to shower somehow!

Since the church held that bathing was a sin in the middle-ages - well - there you go!

Mat 15:2 &#96;Wherefore do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they do not wash their hands when they may eat bread.'