Thread: The best religion!

Originally Posted by themindsi

Why pick on Islam? They're only doing what the other two abrahamic religions have done throughout history. Most religions infact will shed blood for the advancement of their religion. I mean what did the "forefathers" of our country, the explorers and Spanish Conquistadors do? They came to this already populated country, "clamied" it as their own, stole from and raped the natives, and then forcibly destroyed their culture and grusomely altered the very beliefs that made them, "THEM". I mean, this is only one of countless examples. If you're going to pick on anyone for doing the "you don't believe in what I do, so die" thing, it should surely be the Christians!!!!!

Saying "their book" is "influencing way too many people to aim for genocide" in the US. Is such an ignorant statement, which is odd since I've read much from you I saw as valid. If you actually read the Koran or Quarran or however you want to spell it, you would know that like most other religious texts it preaches pacifism, respect for others, giving (sharing of wealth amongst the poor), among other noble things. It is the work of Islamic Fundamentalists that produces organizations like Al-Qaida which threaten the US. Fundamentalist groups are just as dangerous whether they be Islamic or Jehovah Witness. Fundamentalists of all religions or even ideas take an extremely warped view of the bigger idea. They express views which are historically innaccurate to the religion which they claim to adhere. Go to your local mosque and ask any parishoner their take on the 9/11 attacks, I guarantee their view will be much more similar to yours than you would imagine.

This kind of thinking is very dangerous.

The local mosque parishoners are being way too quiet. I know that Christianity has a history of doing equally terrible things, but Christians are not doing stuff on that level NOW. If you read my other posts in this forum, you will see what I think of what the Bible preaches. The Bible condones slavery, for example, which I think is disgusting. Most importantly, it tells children that monsters are real and that people will burn forever for not being major Christians. I hate that about it. But the fundamentalist Christians of TODAY generally do not claim we should blow up entire countries because they are full of "infidels". If there are large terrorist groups that are working on that and reaking havoc in the world on the level Al Qaeda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Hezballah are, please tell me all about them. I want to know. The Islamofascists are claiming that sort of thing in very large numbers, and some of them are the leaders of countries. Do you know what Ahmadenijad of Iran has said about what he wants to do to Israel? He wants all Israelis dead. This is serious stuff. I have heard about how the Koran preaches peace, but there are passages in it that say otherwise. I am not blaming Islamofascism completely on the Koran, but the fact is that even if the message of the Koran is, "Pet bunny rabbits and sing songs with all man kind," it is being used to promote genocide on "infidels". That is a fact, and the problem is widespread.

The reason I even talked about Islam is that it is the religion I have the biggest problem with at the present moment. This thread is about what is the best religion, so I talked about that and mentioned what I think is the worst of all of the religions. What religion do you have the biggest problem with currently?

Originally Posted by Replicon

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

The local mosque parishoners are being way too quiet. I know that Christianity has a history of doing equally terrible things, but Christians are not doing stuff on that level NOW. If you read my other posts in this forum, you will see what I think of what the Bible preaches. The Bible condones slavery, for example, which I think is disgusting. Most importantly, it tells children that monsters are real and that people will burn forever for not being major Christians. I hate that about it. But the fundamentalist Christians of TODAY generally do not claim we should blow up entire countries because they are full of "infidels". If there are large terrorist groups that are working on that and reaking havoc in the world on the level Al Qaeda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Hezballah are, please tell me all about them. I want to know. The Islamofascists are claiming that sort of thing in very large numbers, and some of them are the leaders of countries. Do you know what Ahmadenijad of Iran has said about what he wants to do to Israel? He wants all Israelis dead. This is serious stuff. I have heard about how the Koran preaches peace, but there are passages in it that say otherwise. I am not blaming Islamofascism completely on the Koran, but the fact is that even if the message of the Koran is, "Pet bunny rabbits and sing songs with all man kind," it is being used to promote genocide on "infidels". That is a fact, and the problem is widespread.

The reason I even talked about Islam is that it is the religion I have the biggest problem with at the present moment. This thread is about what is the best religion, so I talked about that and mentioned what I think is the worst of all of the religions. What religion do you have the biggest problem with currently?

Okay, I would have been much more likely to see where you are coming from if the tone sounded like this post does! No offense but you sounded like my grandpa with the "those people" "that book" kinda talk, lol. Obviously that's not the case. However, in the case of the Koran preaching "evil" or to harm others, that is also the case with the Bible (i know you are not promoting it) in that the Vatican is always making contradictory statements on whether things in the Bible should be taken literally or figuratively, which is odd since the pope is supposed to be considered infallible...haha. But my point being that -political leaders have a history of mis leading the uneducated populace by misinterpretting relgious works. It happens all the time throughout history.

I definately have a huge problem with Christian Evangelicals, I think that's the religion I despise the most, maybe it's because those are the ones I see taking advantage of peoples gullibility (is that a word?) here in the US.

I think the answer the fundamentalist terror groups and evangilical groups is EDUCATION!!




**I appologize for typos, i'm using my friends comp. and the keyboard is a piece of shit!

Yup. Definately time for a new religion. We could call ourselves "The Lucid Dreamers." We could believe in striving to attain to a Lucid Dream. We could thank the stars and the universe for their influences. We could have one holiday a year for all Lucid Dreamers throughout the whole world. On this holiday all of us could do whatever except talk. No talking all day long. We could call it "Shut the F*ck up day. (ha ha) It would be a better religion then any of them have thought up so far.
Vee

haha, I love the Shut the F* up day idea...

Originally Posted by jacobo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucianism

no doubt.

Philosophy is different from religion (slightly but significantly)

Theosophy is the best religion. It's the comparative study of all religions. Every religion is a different aspect of the same truth. The common elements between them all help create a broader context to understand them.

If theosophy had a bible, it would be The Secret Doctrine.
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd-hp.htm

If you take out the Hell and other fear mongering, the hate, and the limitations on freedom, I think all religions are awesome. I don't believe them, but they are very interesting. Somebody needs to start a religion with none of those things and make it very clear that those things are never to be part of the religion (except that one limitation on freedom). It would attract a lot of people who are so turned off by those negative things.

Actually, Greek and Roman religious very very effective, open-minded and relatively peaceful. Hardly any wars were fought between polytheistic societies for religious reasons. Also, when other nations were conquered, instead of condemning their religion, it was often accepted, and sometimes even integrated into the list of roman gods and traits of them.

So. On 'War-free' and 'open-minded' scale, my vote for best religion goes to Roman or Greek religion. (Accepting the fact that Agnosticism and Atheism aren't religions, because they lack that what made the word 'religion' 'religion': Ligament, deep connection between it's members. )

Neruo- When you say Roman or Greek "religion" what religions are you actually refering to?

Originally Posted by themindsi

Neruo- When you say Roman or Greek "religion" what religions are you actually refering to?

You know, old-time roman/greek polytheistic society. The worship of Zeus/Juppiter, Appollo, hera, neptune/posidon. Guys and Gals like that. Of course, there are pretty big differences between times and locations of old greek and roman religions. I mean, every single village had their own god, and I do think both religions changed so much during the like thousand years they were popular. But they always remained polytheistic, with a god for every cobblestone and group of people, and (thus(?))far more tolerant then our monotheistic religions.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I like Hinduism, in its original form, the most.
The religion I hate the most is Islam. It turns my stomach upside down. I despise it on a major level. I don't hate all Muslims, but I hate what they believe. Their book is influencing way too many people to aim toward genocide on my country. Before 9/11, I didn't feel that way. But now I know a lot more about the influence Islam is having on the world, and it is a disgusting picture. It is so ironic that we are so hated for being "infidels", but the measures the fascists (so great in number) of that religion are having in response to our supposed infidelhood are driving us very far away from their religion. Isn't that supposed to be exactly what they don't want? If they would approach us with smiles and talk to us about the good news about Allah, they would be winning us over much more in their direction. Instead, they are saying, "Screw you for not believing what we believe even though you know very little about it! Die! All of you, DIE! Uh, are you converted yet?" So stupid.

hahaha and you call yourslef liberal. Extremsit Islam is not Islam. Hve yo uread the Qu'ran? It is no more extreme than the Bible. True Islam does not say go and blow people up. I doubt you even know what Shia Ismailism is, but tis a denomination of Islam, a pacificist liberal one. And then theres the wider known sufism.

And actually Islam is the fastest growing religion. I feel deeply offended that you feel that those disgusting abhorrent terrorists represent Islam. My family are muslims, they hate terrorism just as much as you. Your sadly msitaken on that. There was me up till this post thinking you were an intelligent well balanced person.
What a shame.

The best religion is no religion at all.

Originally Posted by imran_p

hahaha and you call yourslef liberal. Extremsit Islam is not Islam. Hve yo uread the Qu'ran? It is no more extreme than the Bible. True Islam does not say go and blow people up. I doubt you even know what Shia Ismailism is, but tis a denomination of Islam, a pacificist liberal one. And then theres the wider known sufism.

And actually Islam is the fastest growing religion. I feel deeply offended that you feel that those disgusting abhorrent terrorists represent Islam. My family are muslims, they hate terrorism just as much as you. Your sadly msitaken on that. There was me up till this post thinking you were an intelligent well balanced person.
What a shame.

AH. Sure. If a Muslim does something violent, it suddenly isn't a Muslim anymore? Or it isn't representing Islam? It is perfectly representing Islam. A side of islam, that is deeply fucked up. But that side to Islam has been there for a long time, and it isn't going anywhere. The scripture of Islam isn't more violent then the scripture of the bible, but it just happens to be that in a lot of Muslim countries things are just majorly fucked up. That might just be a cultural thing. Actually, it is. But it is entangled so much with Islam, that one can quite certainly say Islam is (in general) a pretty violent, intolerant and stupid religion. Even more so then Christianity (maybe not more stupid, but certainly more violent and intolerant).

Why did you even say Islam is the fastest growing religion? National Socialism at one point was the fastest growing political party in Germany.

Anyhow. My point:

Islam is a more fucked up religion the Christianity. It might have been hard for people to escape from an intolerant extremely religious Christian familiy in countries like in Europe, America and Russia and such. But to be trapped in a sick, religious fanatic familiy in an extremely islamitic country? Man, being an atheist there often means you have to write a testament, or at least you will get excluded from your family or something.

I mean it is Ridiculous that EVERYONE from the middle-east and such is Muslim. Where are the Atheists? The Agnostics? That is just fucked up. Even in medieval times there were atheists in Europe. I mean, it's just weird. Even in my country, 'Middle-eastern/Turkey/Morroco -immigrant' and 'Muslim' are exchangeable words. That is just retarded.

I heard some brave Turkish fella started this group for people, not muslims PEOPLE goddammit, that needed some sort of help after being openly atheist in a muslim family. That is great. Organizations like that are needed as much as those organizations preventing women from getting beaten up by their husband.

Islamic Countries are often intolerant religious nuts. That is basically the point. They really should chill the fuck out about people that think differently, and just let them be. A country with 99.5% people being exactly the same religion isn't healthy, normal, or accomplished without sick social pressure.

Yeah

This post is very unstructured. Hope you get the point.

I totally undestand the psot however, my point was because he said, I hate Islam. Had he said I hate Islamic extremism that would ahve been difrent.
i agree entirely that Islam in certain coutnries is intolerant. However, this doesnt mean that saying "I hate islam" is not wrong. Islam is in need of modernization in many palces, in some palces it has already modernized, But to say "I hate Islam" is wrong

I hate Islamic extremism, but there is a lot about the islamic religion that is beautiful, a lot in the cukture that is peaceful. Islam means peace.

Seirously, extremists dont represent mainstream Islam.

Imran

Originally Posted by imran_p

I totally undestand the psot however, my point was because he said, I hate Islam. Had he said I hate Islamic extremism that would ahve been difrent.
i agree entirely that Islam in certain coutnries is intolerant. However, this doesnt mean that saying "I hate islam" is not wrong. Islam is in need of modernization in many palces, in some palces it has already modernized, But to say "I hate Islam" is wrong

I hate Islamic extremism, but there is a lot about the islamic religion that is beautiful, a lot in the cukture that is peaceful. Islam means peace.

Seirously, extremists dont represent mainstream Islam.

Imran

Depends on what you call extremism. Isn't mainstream Iranian/Pakistanian Islam pretty extremist in our (westernized) eyes? I would say it is.

But indeed, hating an entire religion is always wrong, even if 90% of the Muslims were extremist. But then again, Universal Did say that he doesn't hate (all Muslims), just the system (Islam) that brings them (closer) to such extremist actions. And I kind of agree with him. I also hate all of Christianity, in the sense that I rather see it all disappear (over time) or that only the most tolerant and knowledge-respecting forms of Christianity remain..

hmmm we'll have to agree to disagree, I see religon as stupid, loggically, but hating a relgion is very wrong in my eyes. Islam is in many palces a tool for the disenfranchised to vent their terror. Hamas fighting for palestinian freedom use Islam. Hezbollah use Islam, but more often than not their grieveances are political.

But im not defending extreme Islam but haitng islam is wrong. There are muslims out there who use islam as a ghuideline for their life. They lvie peacefully and harm nobody. My grandparents are a perfect example. If badly interpreted it can be dangerous the same with any major relgion, as we ahve seen in the crusades, the salem witch trials and so on.

i see the iraq war as terror, and unjust, I dont hate America, that would be wrong. Im sure you see where im coming from?

Saying I hate america but not americans would styil lbe buigoted in mye eyes.

Imran

Buddhism is the best path for me.

irman_p:

You certainly are right in a way. In the sense that you shouldn't, or I believe even Can't hate a religion. A religion is just a tool, a vessel for ideas, both right and wrong. Just as how you can't really hate a country. It would be silly to hate that earth, or everything on that earth, just for being there.

You can however hate, or dislike, or like, or love, a group of people that use that tool/vessel of religion/nation/political-party in a certain way. There will always be a certain degree of generalisation... okay.

But I can say that on average, I dislike (the kind of islam in) pakistan, because they as a country/religious group stone people, and don't think that is bad. Ok, I am pretty certain there are a lot of nice Pakistani. Buuutttt... I don't care. Yarrr.

Yeah I am tired (of myself) now. Do I use to much comma's? lol.

You get the point, hopefully

Peace, love and cookies

~Neruo

Originally Posted by themindsi

Why pick on Islam? They're only doing what the other two abrahamic religions have done throughout history. Most religions infact will shed blood for the advancement of their religion. I mean what did the "forefathers" of our country, the explorers and Spanish Conquistadors do? They came to this already populated country, "clamied" it as their own, stole from and raped the natives, and then forcibly destroyed their culture and grusomely altered the very beliefs that made them, "THEM". I mean, this is only one of countless examples. If you're going to pick on anyone for doing the "you don't believe in what I do, so die" thing, it should surely be the Christians!!!!!

Saying "their book" is "influencing way too many people to aim for genocide" in the US. Is such an ignorant statement, which is odd since I've read much from you I saw as valid. If you actually read the Koran or Quarran or however you want to spell it, you would know that like most other religious texts it preaches pacifism, respect for others, giving (sharing of wealth amongst the poor), among other noble things. It is the work of Islamic Fundamentalists that produces organizations like Al-Qaida which threaten the US. Fundamentalist groups are just as dangerous whether they be Islamic or Jehovah Witness. Fundamentalists of all religions or even ideas take an extremely warped view of the bigger idea. They express views which are historically innaccurate to the religion which they claim to adhere. Go to your local mosque and ask any parishoner their take on the 9/11 attacks, I guarantee their view will be much more similar to yours than you would imagine.

This kind of thinking is very dangerous.

I was about to comment on the same post but then I saw this one, so now all I really have to say is; I concur with themindsi. The Koran is one of the most peaceful religious texts out there.

I say Native American.....All though that's spirituality....not religion. And NO, the white man has not destroyed it. Although they sure did try didn't they. I believe when people "MEN" began writing down their spiritual beliefs, it becomes a one sided religion. And so therefore loses its spirituality. Now doesn't it boys......
Vee

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

I was about to comment on the same post but then I saw this one, so now all I really have to say is; I concur with themindsi. The Koran is one of the most peaceful religious texts out there.

That may be, and it might be that most Muslims are peaceful people. It's a debatable issue. However, if we could press a magic button and turn all of the people of one religion into atheists in an instant, which one could we zap out and do the most to increase safety in the world during present times? It's Islam. There is no question about that. No matter what the Koran was originally meant to say and no matter what percentage of Muslims are Islamofascists, the Islamofascists are so big in number, have such a massively destructive agenda regarding democracy, and are such a threat to world security that they make Islam the most dangerous religion in the world right now. I don't see any way around that.

America or christianity is just as dangerous, we gave the terrorist weapons to fight communist, and then finally evaded Iraq for oil. So I guess it is fundamental islam versus fundamental christianity. All the fundamental muslims just wanted to be left alone, then you have Afghanistan and Iraq.

America poses the biggest threat to peace, and it has nuclear weapons. Vietnam now we have Iraq. See you khow how fundamentalist a country is by looking at how many people don't believe in evolution. At least china surpresses religion, it proberly one of the reasons why china is doing so well.

America is turning fundamentalist, and as the pattern goes once a country has been fundamentalized the scientific statue goes. I remeber hearing that the middle east used to produce lots of scientific discoveries and then it turned fundamental and went back to the middle ages. With the creationist currently winning over americans it won't take long for it turn back to the middle ages, china would then proberly become the world leaders of science then the new superpower.

Originally Posted by wendylove

America or christianity is just as dangerous, we gave the terrorist weapons to fight communist, and then finally evaded Iraq for oil. So I guess it is fundamental islam versus fundamental christianity. All the fundamental muslims just wanted to be left alone, then you have Afghanistan and Iraq.

America poses the biggest threat to peace, and it has nuclear weapons. Vietnam now we have Iraq. See you khow how fundamentalist a country is by looking at how many people don't believe in evolution. At least china surpresses religion, it proberly one of the reasons why china is doing so well.

America is turning fundamentalist, and as the pattern goes once a country has been fundamentalized the scientific statue goes. I remeber hearing that the middle east used to produce lots of scientific discoveries and then it turned fundamental and went back to the middle ages. With the creationist currently winning over americans it won't take long for it turn back to the middle ages, china would then proberly become the world leaders of science then the new superpower.

Fundamentalist Christians suck, but they aren't forming large groups with the intention of making entire country populations extinct. There is no comparison. That mentality, as illustrated by the stated goals of various Islamofascist groups, is illustrative of being far from wanting to be left alone. In Bin Laden's (the leader of Al Qaeda, not just an individual) letter to the United States, he blames Middle Eastern occupation for his initiation of our conflict, but his demands involve conversion to Islam and the rules of rigid insanity that come with it. That same terrorist leader has stated the goal of killing all Americans. Nothing tops that. Try to find a large movement of Christians with a similar goal. What skyscrapers have the Southern Baptists conspired in large numbers to blow up?

What do you think Al Qaeda would do if they had our nuclear power? Think about that, and then think about the fact that the United States has the power to blow up the entire Middle East and put oil refineries with American flags all over it. See the difference?

I don't think the United States is becoming more fundamentalist Christian. I think religion is on its way out here. Compare things now to how they were in the 1950's. Back then, sitcoms had to show married couples sleeping in twin beds. Now you can see simulated sex on day time television. It was taboo to admit to atheism. Homosexuality was seen the way we see the Dateline To Catch a Predator stuff now. The heavy metal bands of today would have all been shot after their first concerts. Religion had a much more pressurizing presence. We have been evolving away from that mentality ever since then. We are going in the right direction, fortunately.