Thread: Tell me about Chaos Magick

Originally Posted by Fableflame

Now, not that I'm planning to, but if I wanted to cause someone harm, would I use something like the image of the devil instead of the image of christ?

You might, but if you're not really into satan type stuff personally, then it would prove to be clumsy and ineffective. Say for instance you saw something die as a child that heavily impacted you. You could tweak that incident into something you could use to suit your nefarious needs.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

You might, but if you're not really into satan type stuff personally, then it would prove to be clumsy and ineffective. Say for instance you saw something die as a child that heavily impacted you. You could tweak that incident into something you could use to suit your nefarious needs.

Interesting.
I may need to give this archetypes and sigil stuff out.

WHY did they move this to religion/spirituality? This is neither. This belongs in beyond dreaming.

There was a fuss about that.
Beyond Dreaming topics apparently need to have something to do with dreaming.
Shared dreaming and OBE's etc.

This WORKED, fucking crazy. I created a sigil last night, i do not know if i did it "right". But here is the story.

The last year, I have been fascinated by zen Buddhism and spirituality. Starting out practicing meditation for ego reasons and later understood the "waste of time".

Well, to day "I" grasped the message. Yesterday, before bed, I meditated about 20-30min and then started staring at the sigil, trying to visualize it for a couple of min. Did the same thing when I woke up this morning, and suddenly I came over what "I" was asking for at school to day.

I asked for the real "self", and booom, today I understood that everything that arises "my identity, the mountain, a song, a orgasm ..." everything of that is not ME. Those things are just objects for me, and the me is not a thing. All of this is really beyond words, but I am trying the best I can. The best description is non-dualism, but that is just a concept again.

WHAT ARE THE LIMITS FOR THIS ?
Thanks folks, lots of love to you all.

manbearpig, congratulations on your success.

So you asked to be your "true self"?

What do you mean what are the limits? There are none..I mean you can't do stuff like fly...or teleport or anything, but you make a wish and the universe works to get it for you. I've heard a couple guys have increased their chances of winning the lottery by 50%. It's on ATS.

I need to try the meditation technique, I've been wanking it too much lately and the climax has been much weaker.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

manbearpig, congratulations on your success.

So you asked to be your "true self"?

What do you mean what are the limits? There are none..I mean you can't do stuff like fly...or teleport or anything, but you make a wish and the universe works to get it for you. I've heard a couple guys have increased their chances of winning the lottery by 50%. It's on ATS.

I need to try the meditation technique, I've been wanking it too much lately and the climax has been much weaker.

Yea, I said I wanted to see that the ego is an illusion.

What is ATS? And where to read more about this stuff?

Love

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread355040/pg1

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

The cusp brought up a good point about porn, the "money shot" and how it can turn you gay. It makes total sense actually.

How's that work?

Most porn ends with the classic money shot. Sometimes on the face, sometimes on the ass, sometimes on the back, wherever. As an archetype, the female parts in that situation become an irrelevant variable. The only constant is a spurting shlong. Since this is always the sexual peak, it's just like charging a sigil.

I was just saying someone could accidentally wire themselves to become gay that way. In theory. That's why I like girl on girl action!

Yes CUSP!! Girl on Girl FTW. With strap-ons.

Hey I've got a question. The big thing at the end is that you have to completely keep the statement of intent AND the sigil outside of your conscious awareness/mind at all times once you've charged it. Now, if your thing was just winning $500 randomly or whatever, that's pretty easy to forget about.

However, if your intent with the sigil is to satisfy a very deep desire that you really long for, and are constantly reminded of, what do you do? I mean, you can't really forcefully suppress that without thinking about it even more, by definition.

Originally Posted by Replicon

Hey I've got a question. The big thing at the end is that you have to completely keep the statement of intent AND the sigil outside of your conscious awareness/mind at all times once you've charged it. Now, if your thing was just winning $500 randomly or whatever, that's pretty easy to forget about.

However, if your intent with the sigil is to satisfy a very deep desire that you really long for, and are constantly reminded of, what do you do? I mean, you can't really forcefully suppress that without thinking about it even more, by definition.

Good question, this is something I've also wondered about.

Make like 4 different sigils, and wait a couple days before you charge them. That way you forget the meaning of each sigil.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Make like 4 different sigils, and wait a couple days before you charge them. That way you forget the meaning of each sigil.

But you don't forget the desire you have inside you. Let's say you have some condition (whatever it may be) and it's hampering your life, and your desire to be rid of it is all that's on your mind. Or let's say you're really lonely and want to have an easier time meeting more people. You can make 4-5 sigils, one of which will have your "deep desire" meaning, and the others which will have other random stuff you'd like to achieve, and you might even forget which sigil means what, but that deep desire is not something you can just "forget about" (otherwise it wouldn't be a deep desire), and I think you need to not just forget about the sigil, but also the intent you charged it with. Does this make sense?

Just like if your intent is to win $500 or something, you should also not think about your desire to win $500. Or am I missing something?

Yes I understand, your deep desire just needs to be forgotten about. Don't stress over it, don't worry over it, don't think about it. Just LET IT GO. Just let the magic do it's work. You have to concentrate on other shit.

Originally Posted by Replicon

Just like if your intent is to win $500 or something, you should also not think about your desire to win $500.

You can think about your desired goal, but it will only work if you don't dwell on or have expectations on how you are supposed to accomplish that goal.

If you want 500$ and limit yourself to thinking it should come to you through lottery tickets, it won't work. You have to leave the methods open to every possibility.

I believe it's spelled Magic...It's also bullshit, but have fun guys.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Christ is a very good one. It's a well established archetype, very stable and reliable to use because there are few variations as to how it's perceived (except for the raptor riding variety). Stable archetypes are the key to reliability. Obviously you couldn't use the Christ archetype to try and do someone harm.

There was a Coast to Coast AM show dedicated to people who didn't believe in god at all, but when confronted with freaky situations, invoked the name of Jesus. The power of christ doesn't come from some dude in the sky, it comes from a stable archetype of safety and love and ultimate good. These non believers encountered stuff like aliens, demons or ghosts, shadow people. Whether real or not, in either case the reason it worked is because they changed their focus from a negative archetype to a positive one. A positive one that was much more stable than whatever ethereal fantasies they were facing.

Belief in god is irrelevant if you never turn your mind to spiritual matters. These kinds of symbols only serve as focal points for your attention.

Thanks, I forgot to reply on this. But another question about sigils and the subconscious. I mean, if i see a cross/christ, then I can change what that symbol represents to me? Or is archetypes something that is very rooted and unchangable? I mean, before i was a hardcore atheist and people with crosses around the neck was representing ignorance at that time. But now, after studing philosophy the world has changed.

The fact is that most people believe what they want to believe, often without much research.

And is there any releations between sigil magick and NLP?

Originally Posted by manbearpig

if i see a cross/christ, then I can change what that symbol represents to me? Or is archetypes something that is very rooted and unchangable?

You can change them,but I think that particular one is just too honkin' big and well established to make a difference. It's been drilled into your mind your entire life whether you're religious or not. I think any attempts to change that one would be akin to pissing in the ocean. Or like trying to rewrite the entire bible, it's just too much work.

Originally Posted by manbearpig

I mean, before i was a hardcore atheist and people with crosses around the neck was representing ignorance at that time. But now, after studing philosophy the world has changed.

That's an important part of dream control.
Stephen Laberge kept saying over and over on a Coast to Coast interview that to exert control over your dreams you just have to reframe things in a different context. He gave the example of a farside cartoon about an old lady about to answer the door and saying to her husband "Sure there's a hideous giant monster cockroach outside the door, but maybe it a hideous giant monster cockroack that needs help!"

Originally Posted by manbearpig

The fact is that most people believe what they want to believe, often without much research.

I always see people say that in reference to other people, but I've yet to see someone admit how that applies to themselves. I know with 100% certainty that my own beliefs and opinions aren't worth a damn. When religious faith is mostly determined by what part of the world you're born in, what's the point?

But perhaps worthless isn't an accurate description. I think cheap would be more appropriate, because they do have value. As long as you don't treat you belief system like it's the most valuable thing in the world, that leaves you free to shuffle them around to ones that better fit your current needs. Sometimes I like to play the ace of spades, and sometime I like to play the Joker.

Originally Posted by manbearpig

And is there any releations between sigil magick and NLP?

To be clear, I don't make any distinctions between types of magic. I think of it as all working the same way, dream control, which is focused attention and archetypes (and emotions). All I know of NLP is from Darren Brown, and as far as I'm concerned, that guy demonstrates dream control over reality.

Not all of what he does could be considered sigil magic, but this one where brainwashes some guy into thinking he wants a BMX for this birthday certainly is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=befugtgikMg

Sort of. Yes he turns the BMX into a sigil by constructing an archetype from nothing, and he does it brilliantly. But the way he executes it, it's more like he's doing a reverse sigil, if you follow my drift.

Wow, that Darren Brown shit was wicked. Thank you man, and the lack of response is due philosophy exams.

The reason I thought of the "connection" with sigils and NLP is that they both shake the unconcious mind. You know, there is something that understand "it", but it is not the reflective ego.

Yes that Darren Brown NLP video was pretty impressive.

Can't something like that be used to cure depression or something..it basically is subconscious programming.

Youi wan't me to tell you about Chaos Magick? It's all bullshit.

Originally Posted by imran_p

Youi wan't me to tell you about Chaos Magick? It's all bullshit.

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