Thread: Blasphemy becomes illegal in Ireland

Originally Posted by Noogah

Neither has existed within the time frame of bleachers.

I will assume a strange sort of sarcasm, or joke. I don't find funny in the least, as the two are quite opposite of each other.

Dude, really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam

He's a piece of their religion, too. Yeah, turns out, Muhammad and Jesus were actually pretty cool dudes.

The Jesus of Islam is not the same Jesus of Christianity.

Well, sure, the stories are different, but yeah, same dude...

Anyway, I'm getting a pent-up urge to exercise my right to blasphemy...guess it's a good thing I live in the U.S.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

People should naturally have that mindset, but practically they don't. Most people will believe pretty unquestioningly what they read on a news website.

In medieval times people would go to war for the church commanding them to, because it simply outspoke all else. Hypothetically if you could have controlled the level of free speech of the time, surely it would have been justified to suppress the overwhelming propoganda and lies of the church?

In medieval times people were executed for saying the Earth was not the center of the universe. There was no such thing as "free speech" in that time, at least not our form of free speech

We counteract the big voices by teaching people to question what they hear.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

We counteract the big voices by teaching people to question what they hear.

I'm just unconvinced at how successful this is. Because most people don't question what they hear.

We counteract the big voices by teaching people to question what they hear.

I'm just unconvinced at how successful this is. Because most people don't question what they hear.

Well, how do we question authority if it's the only source we know?

I can try the Net, and all I hear is political illiterate babble

I can try the library, and a good chunk is an outdated mess to sift through

I can try spiritually but it eats at 'free' time

Many of us are still stuck under our 'parents'' thumbs

What do you guys think of a wider European Ban on Blasphemy? I think one could be very possible in Britain.

Originally Posted by Soros

I think one could be very possible in Britain.

Wheredya get that idea?

We're like a thousand times more secular than Ireland.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Wheredya get that idea?

We're like a thousand times more secular than Ireland.

Based on the precedent that it is now legal to practice Shari'ah law in Britain, Your nation banning Blasphemy wouldn't be exactly a surprise at this point.

Originally Posted by Soros

it is now legal to practice Shari'ah law in Britain, .

The sharia law thing is highly controlled. It's not like it's legal to cut peoples hands off and shit, it's for small things in accordance with beliefs, like divorce and things, with no rulings that in any way go against UK law. Noone's exempt from UK law and it hasn't been replaced. It's rather sensationalist of you to jump from Muslims being allowed to privately judge their own small disputes such as divorce settlements in a religious court which doesnt contradict any set UK law, to LAW AGAINST ANYONE IN BRITAIN SPEAKING BLASPHEMY XD

You sound like a shitty tabloid.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

The sharia law thing is highly controlled. It's not like it's legal to cut peoples hands off and shit, it's for small things in accordance with beliefs, like divorce and things, with no rulings that in any way go against UK law. Noone's exempt from UK law and it hasn't been replaced. It's rather sensationalist of you to jump from Muslims being allowed to privately judge their own small disputes such as divorce settlements in a religious court which doesnt contradict any set UK law, to LAW AGAINST ANYONE IN BRITAIN SPEAKING BLASPHEMY X You sound like a shitty tabloid.

So you think everyone who wants to should be able to have their own set of laws to abide by? Regardless of any contradiction to UK law? Do you think allowing people to use their own countries laws or their own religions laws instead of the countries laws that they live in is a good way to integrate these people?

Originally Posted by Soros

Regardless of any contradiction to UK law?

Originally Posted by Moi

with no rulings that in any way go against UK law

hur dur dur dur hurrrr

Do you think it promotes the integration of immigrants if they can use their own national/religious laws and courts instead of using British ones?

Answer the question.

Originally Posted by Soros

Is it a good way to integrate immigrants if they can use their own national/religious laws and courts instead of using British ones?

Answer the question.

Pleeeaseee just read what I said up there you chucklefuck.

If a muslim kills another muslim it will be in a UK law, be assured. Any kind of serious crime like robbery or whatever or anything which sharia law would rule a judgement contrary to UK law is in UK courts. So they aren't "using their own courts instead of british ones" crinklefuck


Also, no it's a really fucking shitty way of integrating immigrants, and I think it's fucked up you collagefuck.

But it DOES NOT mean that it's reasonable to expect blasphemy laws soon. That's a massive over exaggeration of the situation you clusterfuck.

Get a sense of scale you calcinefuck.

So your original statement was just plain wrong.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Pleeeaseee just read what I said up there you chucklefuck.

If a muslim kills another muslim it will be in a UK law, be assured. Any kind of serious crime like robbery or whatever or anything which sharia law would rule a judgement contrary to UK law is in UK courts. So they aren't "using their own courts instead of british ones" crinklefuck


Also, no it's a really fucking shitty way of integrating immigrants, and I think it's fucked up you collagefuck.

But it DOES NOT mean that it's reasonable to expect blasphemy laws soon. That's a massive over exaggeration of the situation you clusterfuck.

Get a sense of scale you calcinefuck.

So you're original statement was just plain wrong.

If a group can be allowed to have their own law and court system separate from the state just cuz they want to do things their way then i don't see why its unreasonable to assume that a blasphemy law could also be introduces or proposed in parliament in such an atmosphere.

YOu ass fuck

Originally Posted by Soros

If a group can be allowed to have their own law and court system separate from the state just cuz they want to do things their way then i don't see why its unreasonable to assume that a blasphemy law could also be introduces or proposed in parliament in such an atmosphere.

You're misrepresenting it again. I could just copy paste what I said before because you don't seem to have read it.

They are not allowed to have their own law. They all have to adhere by our law. But they can settle small disputes in their own way as long as it doesn't contradict UK law.

This is not the same as "own law and court system seperate from the state"

You clearly have no fucking idea what you're talking about except what you read on some shitty news site or forum and drew your own conclusions. I live here and this shit is talked about all the time, and I know what the atmosphere in parliament is like much better than most people in this country so please don't make assumptions about what is happening.

There would never be a blasphemy law in the UK in it's current condition or anything similar. We're still one of the most secular countries in the world by far. We're also very liberal at the moment, and one of the grounding principals of liberalism is to allow freedom of living for communities and individuals providing it isn't in opposition to others interests, or in this case the law, which defines alot of those interests.

This doesn't mean I agree with it, and I do think it's a very negative thing to have here, but you're being totally idiotic if you realistically think there would ever be a British blasphemy law.



Do you understand what I am saying here? Read and re read this post.

Originally Posted by Soros

YOu ass fuck

what

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Pleeeaseee just read what I said up there you chucklefuck.

If a muslim kills another muslim it will be in a UK law, be assured. Any kind of serious crime like robbery or whatever or anything which sharia law would rule a judgement contrary to UK law is in UK courts. So they aren't "using their own courts instead of british ones" crinklefuck


Also, no it's a really fucking shitty way of integrating immigrants, and I think it's fucked up you collagefuck.

But it DOES NOT mean that it's reasonable to expect blasphemy laws soon. That's a massive over exaggeration of the situation you clusterfuck.

Get a sense of scale you calcinefuck.

So you're original statement was just plain wrong.

Oh, god, I laughed so hard at this...

Oh also, spoilers that the Jews have been doing the exact same thing with Beth Din law in the exact same way for over 100 years, and we're yet to see a blasphemy nationwide law come from that.

Your sensationalism and the like is mainly due to islamophobia rather than any real likelihood of what you're saying.


For the record I really dislike the idea of any laws being based on religious teaching rather than moral philosophy, and by extension I dislike Sharia Law, I'm just arguing with you because you're wrong.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

You're misrepresenting it again. I could just copy paste what I said before because you don't seem to have read it.

They are not allowed to have their own law. They all have to adhere by our law. But they can settle small disputes in their own way as long as it doesn't contradict UK law.

This is not the same as "own law and court system seperate from the state"

You clearly have no fucking idea what you're talking about except what you read on some shitty news site or forum and drew your own conclusions. I live here and this shit is talked about all the time, and I know what the atmosphere in parliament is like much better than most people in this country so please don't make assumptions about what is happening.

There would never be a blasphemy law in the UK in it's current condition or anything similar. We're still one of the most secular countries in the world by far. We're also very liberal at the moment, and one of the grounding principals of liberalism is to allow freedom of living for communities and individuals providing it isn't in opposition to others interests, or in this case the law, which defines alot of those interests.

This doesn't mean I agree with it, and I do think it's a very negative thing to have here, but you're being totally idiotic if you realistically think there would ever be a British blasphemy law.



Do you understand what I am saying here? Read and re read this post.

w/e man, play semantics. What I was saying before, is that i thought it wouldn't be a huge leap from Shari'ah to a blasphemy law, shits already happened Ireland.

but you're being totally idiotic if you realistically think there would ever be a British blasphemy law.

Calm the fuck down you melodramatic cunt. You woulda said the same thing to me a few months ago about Ireland. Granted, upon further reflection, ya you're probably right it probably would get shot down in parliament, just right now anything seems possible in a way.

Originally Posted by Soros

w/e man, play semantics. What I was saying before, is that i thought it wouldn't be a huge leap from Shari'ah to a blasphemy law, shits already happened Ireland.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Oh also, spoilers that the Jews have been doing the exact same thing with Beth Din law in the exact same way for over 100 years, and we're yet to see a blasphemy nationwide law come from that.

Your sensationalism and the like is mainly due to islamophobia rather than any real likelihood of what you're saying.


For the record I really dislike the idea of any laws being based on religious teaching rather than moral philosophy, and by extension I dislike Sharia Law, I'm just arguing with you because you're wrong.

derp. derp, derp?

Wouldn't have said the same thing about Ireland, because Ireland is a very different country, but that's besides the point.

-fin.

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I am locking this thread because of that.

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