Thread: Psionics v. Witch Craft

Originally Posted by Mario92

If you didn't want a debate, you shouldn't have posted in R/S.

Also...http://www.venganza.org/category/evidence/
http://www.internetactivist.org/FSM/essay3.html

Stfu

I came for a debate on the topic, clearly stated in the first post.

And I say again, on account of the links, STFU

Those were made out of satire. And don't even try proving me wrong, because I know you aren't that stupid.

you've disproved no evidence. Therefore, it's all still on the table. Therefore, there is evidence. Case closed.

This thread got posted like two hours ago. Already three pages?????? This should be FUN!

Originally Posted by Xedan

No one's talking about open mindedness. We believe in it BECAUSE we've seen evidence and claims. We have reasons. But for you to say that you're the only open-minded person, on only the basis that you haven't seen evidence, is close minded. You know I'm open-minded in the real way. And you know I wouldn't believe some oogy-boogy nonsense. If you aren't going to make an effort to find out about it the way we had to, then don't dispute our claims.

And furthermore, this isn't the afterlife thread. I'm not claiming truth from lack of evidence. Try some new tactics.

Originally Posted by Xei

good. that explains a lot. and backs up something in a logical way.

OH, WAIT!...

Originally Posted by Noogah

This thread got posted like two hours ago. Already three pages?????? This should be FUN!

not to mention I'm practically the only one upholding the beliefs the thread was founded on. Everyone came for a blind debate, just because they saw a trigger word.

"Psionics? FAIL! Must debate..."

Originally Posted by MementoMori

Xedan, just ignore their posts look over them and give them no credance. You know you can't prove it to them and they can add nothing beneficial to this thread other than stating they don't believe in what you're wnating to discuss. So just disregard them. simple really. I mean you all have excellent points but just because science hasn't found it yet, or can't doens't mean we're going to stand up and say "Until I see evidence i refure to believe in it". We keep and open mind and say maybe. You have your opinions and we have ours.

did I ever thank you for being the only one on topic?

Much gratitude!

Don't worry dude, I feel for you.

I'm practically the only creationist here, and deal with the same flack all the time. Keep it up, and you'll get used too it.

Also, I am not certain in the existence of PSI, or if it does exist, I'm not certain of it's origins. Even if it does, I would stay away from it.

Look, it's really not worth debating. You'll just get mowed over again and again until you practically loose your sanity.
Take quick breaks in between. Walks outside, a soft drink, a game of cards, a good book, and above all, stay collected. You might come out alive.

Originally Posted by Noogah

Don't worry dude, I feel for you.

I'm practically the only creationist here, and deal with the same flack all the time. Keep it up, and you'll get used too it.

Also, I am not certain in the existence of PSI, and if it does exist, of it's origins. Even if it does, I would stay away from it.

Look, it's really not worth debating. You'll just get trolled and trolled and mowed over.

The thing is I know there are people here who believe in psionics on DV, and this thread was made for them. Yet only one actually came in.

Originally Posted by Noogah

I'm practically the only creationist here

Hey I'm a creationist too. :/

Also there's at least 10 other posters i can think of.

Wel that's cuz this is the R/S section. All the believers were scared off long ago, and I'm sure you understand why now.

Also there's at least 10 other posters i can think of.

But that's small on the ratio of atheists to Creationists, which is about:

10/100

Also, why do I keep debating you if your a creationist?

Originally Posted by Mario92

How many times are you people going to make me do this?



It's actually evidence of a closed mind. Demanding proof does not make you close-minded; quite the contrary. As Xei posted, it's just plain silly to believe something without good, solid evidence to back something up. Sad to say, without evidence, an argument doesn't stand a chance in the scientific community. We are not saying that there is no way in hell that psi is false, but we are saying that until further, concrete evidence and/or proof comes to light, it is ridiculous to assume it to be true.



That is one of the leading causes of misinformation...believing something without evidence is not a sign of open-mindedness...gullibility, perhaps, but not open-mindedness.

Hail this video all you people want, telling me that i should have solid hard evidence of EVERYTHING and ANYTHING before i even give it the slightest though of "That might be possible..." is to tell me to only base my world on facts and to not dream of possibilities and what if's
“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.” ~ Albert Einstein

I'm pretty sure Albert Einstein is held pretty highly in the scientific community right... hrm...

Originally Posted by Xedan

did I ever thank you for being the only one on topic?

Much gratitude!

Hes the only one on topic? Why? Because he agrees with you?

And how was that on topic any way? There was not one mention of the original subject matter.

It seems to me that you're grasping for any support you can get, to cling onto a faulty ideal. If you're this desperately striving for support for this, perhaps you should question the strength of its structure and practice a little skeptic yourself. As your belief in it is clearly not as secure as you may feel it is.

The reason people ignore the video, is because it basically says, be open minded.


No one wants to watch a ten minute, and walk away with, be open minded.

Originally Posted by Noogah

Wel that's cuz this is the R/S section. All the believers were scared off long ago, and I'm sure you understand why now.



But that's small on the ratio of atheists to Creationists, which is about:

10/100

Also, why do I keep debating you if your a creationist?

Because you have beliefs that don't make sense? I may be a creationist but not even close to your kind of ideas.

Originally Posted by Noogah

The reason people ignore the video, is because it basically says, be open minded.


No one wants to watch a ten minute, and walk away with, be open minded.

Hey I watched it. And it was actually very good.

My concern is he keeps posting it in like every thread. which is fine, but still.

Also watch it, it's very good I thought.

You probably would've had more support had you posted in BD, as R/S is infamous for its big debates and largely atheistic/scientific base. Rule of thumb: if you don't want a debate, stay the hell away from R/S.

And yeah, I'm damn tired of posting the video, so it shall finally be allowed to die. You're welcome.

Speaking of origin, I never could find that quote I was looking for.

But basically it said this (and count on me butchering it): The brain uses the central nervous system to make your body parts move. It sends little electric signals that tell the limb what to do. Now think of it in a larger way. What if you could extend your nervous system to an object in front of you? Why not? Electro-magnetic waves can pass through air, vacuums, and sometimes solid objects. Now if you could set your mind up for the process, in theory, you could make the object move. Getting the right thoughts in though is the hard part, considering motion is something we are born knowing, not something we learn.

And through that same logic it is clear to see why an abundance of people are not flocking to universities.


There is a man who can withstand extreme cold. Extreme cold! He swam a mile in arctic water (he almost died, but only because his eyeballs froze and he couldn't see the exit hole in the ice). He climbed Mt. Everest to a hight of 20,000 feet in shorts and a t-shirt. He ran a half marathon in the same clothing through the arctic, but was also barefoot. The thing is, thought, these things are really supernatural if you think about them. The human body cannot take that strain under normal circumstances. But, using science, they did find out how he stayed alive. When he got very cold, his blood stated making an abundance of antibodies. Now, I'm no doctor. I don't know how that kept him warm. But the point is, things can be explained. It just takes time and patience.

Yeah it's a really good vid, I can't stand the whole 'you're closed minded for not accepting this theory without evidence' meme.

Carou how are you a creationist? :U

But basically it said this (and count on me butchering it): The brain uses the central nervous system to make your body parts move. It sends little electric signals that tell the limb what to do. Now think of it in a larger way. What if you could extend your nervous system to an object in front of you? Why not? Electro-magnetic waves can pass through air, vacuums, and sometimes solid objects. Now if you could set your mind up for the process, in theory, you could make the object move. Getting the right thoughts in though is the hard part, considering motion is something we are born knowing, not something we learn.

We already move things with our minds. We do this via our limbs. How we do this is still a massive mystery and it makes me sad that people have to invent mysteries which don't exist when there are already plenty of mysteries that do.

The electric signals in the brain are restricted to the network of nerves. This is what carries the discrete signal. Your muscles move as a result of chemical reactions due to the change in voltage when the signal reaches them.

The field produced by your brain as a whole however is far far too weak to have any remote effect, and it's impossible to make it localised. There's also no mechanism by which the field could move any objects like psiwheels.

Originally Posted by Xedan

The thing is, thought, these things are really supernatural if you think about them.

I can't trust myself to comment on that brain business, but this seems a problem to me.

Supernatural means something beyond nature. The case you're talking about is nature, just an anomaly. It isn't beyond nature altogether.

Originally Posted by Xedan

Speaking of origin, I never could find that quote I was looking for.

But basically it said this (and count on me butchering it): The brain uses the central nervous system to make your body parts move. It sends little electric signals that tell the limb what to do. Now think of it in a larger way. What if you could extend your nervous system to an object in front of you? Why not? Electro-magnetic waves can pass through air, vacuums, and sometimes solid objects. Now if you could set your mind up for the process, in theory, you could make the object move. Getting the right thoughts in though is the hard part, considering motion is something we are born knowing, not something we learn.

Because its a two way system. The brain communicates with the nerves, the nerves communicate with the brain. You cannot make a connection with an inanimate object. An object with no connection nor means of connection with the brain cannot act as an extension of your body like you are implying.

Originally Posted by ExoByte

Hes the only one on topic? Why? Because he agrees with you?

And how was that on topic any way? There was not one mention of the original subject matter.

It seems to me that you're grasping for any support you can get, to cling onto a faulty ideal. If you're this desperately striving for support for this, perhaps you should question the strength of its structure and practice a little skeptic yourself. As your belief in it is clearly not as secure as you may feel it is.

You didn't see his first post. He's the only one to compare Psioncs, witchcraft, and the like. My belief is secure. But I'd never be able to explain that to you. You can't get in my head, and I can't tell you everything I know. Plus, had you known what I meant, there'd have been no basis for that last paragraph. I'm not clinging to support. I'm clinging to people talking about the what the thread is about. Which is NOT the existence of psi.

Originally Posted by Xedan

Speaking of origin, I never could find that quote I was looking for.

But basically it said this (and count on me butchering it): The brain uses the central nervous system to make your body parts move. It sends little electric signals that tell the limb what to do. Now think of it in a larger way. What if you could extend your nervous system to an object in front of you? Why not? Electro-magnetic waves can pass through air, vacuums, and sometimes solid objects. Now if you could set your mind up for the process, in theory, you could make the object move. Getting the right thoughts in though is the hard part, considering motion is something we are born knowing, not something we learn.

The central nervous system operates by sending signals in the form of ions throughout your body, not electricity (though the ions do carry a charge). Projecting electrical energy through space using this method would probably be futile. These are chemoelectrical impulses we're dealing with, not raw energy.

And through that same logic it is clear to see why an abundance of people are not flocking to universities.

Care to explain that a bit more?

There is a man who can withstand extreme cold. Extreme cold! He swam a mile in arctic water (he almost died, but only because his eyeballs froze and he couldn't see the exit hole in the ice). He climbed Mt. Everest to a hight of 20,000 feet in shorts and a t-shirt. He ran a half marathon in the same clothing through the arctic, but was also barefoot. The thing is, thought, these things are really supernatural if you think about them. The human body cannot take that strain under normal circumstances. But, using science, they did find out how he stayed alive. When he got very cold, his blood stated making an abundance of antibodies. Now, I'm no doctor. I don't know how that kept him warm. But the point is, things can be explained. It just takes time and patience.

Not supernatural, just superhuman. I saw that, too, I believe. They found out exactly how he did it in a laboratory setting, and found that through rigorous training, he was able to push the limits of his body. Things can (and are) explained by science on a regular basis. HOWEVER...until something earns some serious credibility and external variables are removed in a laboratory setting (or something close to it), it could very well be in vain to believe something. I could show you a nifty little parlor trick and claim I had PSI abilities, but there are too many variables that need to be removed before that claim can be proven (or dismissed, as the case would be).

Originally Posted by MementoMori

I believe it's the same thing, just different means to different varied ends. Praying is like a small meditation, just like incantations are. So i'd say there is some connection here

Thanks ExoByte but i was on topic and did contribute Appropriately to the thread