Experiment: Is this world the same as the dream world

[elucid]

Hey everyone, This is a very interesting experiment that I will be trying and I encourage others to try. When in your dream, go to dreamviews.com (if internet is working, it should work depending on your expectations). Then make a post, wake up tomorrow and see if it posts it in dreamviews. Good luck.

[MadMonkey]

Rofl

[StonedApe]

Last time I was on dreamviews in a dream I got super pissed and yelled, "why am I sitting here wasting my time on the internet when I could be out having a lucid dream!" And became lucid at once. Then I picked up my monitor and decided I was gonna throw it through a cars windshield. Was/am working on MILDing and have had weird shit like this happen where I'll be talking or thinking about LDing in a dream and all the sudden I'm lucid.

[Rybread34]

Dream world isn't the same as the real world /thread I suppose if you went on here a LOT it could be portrayed fairly accurately in your dreams but you can't send a message on the internet from a dream into the "real" world.

[elucid]

Dream world isn't the same as the real world /thread I suppose if you went on here a LOT it could be portrayed fairly accurately in your dreams but you can't send a message on the internet from a dream into the "real" world. This is based on the theory that this world is a dream as well, that they are both the same, it just seems different to us when we sleep. I dont believe in this, I just want to try it out and see if it actually works. Cant laugh at this or simply say it wont work without actually trying it.

[StonedApe]

Why not? Can't use reasoning to tell you that flying off a building in this world till you try it, right?

[MadMonkey]

Even if this is a dream world the messsage would not show up. How would the message show up in this reality (weather it is actualy "real" or not) from the dream. I am trying to think of a good analogy but you will realize that it doesn't make any sense if you think about it. BTW dreams are just as real as waking life even if they are illusions.

[insideout]

I sometimes have false awakenings in which I write down the dream that I just had. When I actually wake up, there is nothing written there. Why would the forum be any different?

[StonedApe]

I sometimes have false awakenings in which I write down the dream that I just had. When I actually wake up, there is nothing written there. Why would the forum be any different? Cause it's connected to the internet, duh.

[insideout]

Cause it's connected to the internet, duh. Yeah, but it's a connection to the dream internet. Perhaps there is a way to hack into the dream internet from the waking life internet. Hmm....

[StonedApe]

Yeah, you gotta stick a USB cable up your butt, not all that comfortable.

[Xei]

Actually I'm asleep right now. Experiment success!

[nina]

Let's try to keep the derision to a minimum...shall we? Though some of you will think it a ridiculous notion, I challenge you to open your minds a bit. I have received "emails" and "texts" from people before while dreaming, only to wake and discover that someone had actually sent me an email or text which said the exact thing I had seen in my dream. I also read an interesting research paper about the correlation between the dream state and the exchange of information in the form of emails, text, phone calls, etc. I'll see if I can find the paper. I am doubtful that it would be possible to make a post to the forum from within a dream, but it is definitely something worth exploring. Though perhaps it would be better to try to send someone information while they are dreaming, rather than the other way around. But of course, how anyone would know exactly when someone is dreaming creates a whole other set of problems.

[elucid]

I am trying to think of a good analogy but you will realize that it doesn't make any sense if you think about it. Yeah, I am kind of over the idea that when something doesnt make sense it is not true, in the same way that the origin of this world is paradoxical and doesnt make sense, I dont automatically assert that this world is not real because of it. I sometimes have false awakenings in which I write down the dream that I just had. When I actually wake up, there is nothing written there. Why would the forum be any different? I am not really sure, as I read Aquanina's post and her case seems to prove it and yours does not, so I am not sure why it wouldnt show up in the forum, the only thing that comes to mind is belief. You would be surprised what you can do with belief. In Aquanina's case, it does not really matter if the information sent to her was done within a dream or waking life, the point here is that information in waking life was the same in the dream, which shows that connection that I was looking for.

[MadMonkey]

I don't think its rediculous just this is a dumb way of testing it. No matter what results you get on any test you wont ever be able to prove that this world is not real. Just different than you thought it was before maby.

[Drokens]

Come on! There's no way that this could actually work. What would keep other things that you do in dreams, from happening in real life if this was true. If you kill a bunch of people, you would have the risk of it happening in real life. You could wake up and find that you've killed a bunch of people and are now going to prison. You could have sex with your math teacher just to find the next day that it really happened! None of this stuff happens in the real world, so why would it be different just because it's on the internet? Before looking at all the stuff that happens to come true in a dream, look at all the stuff that doesn't. There are such things as coincidence.

[insideout]

There seems to me an important difference between Aquanina's experience and the original post's proposed experiment. In Aquanina's case, information from the waking world possibly crossed over into a dream. In the experiment, information created in a dream would have to cross over into the waking world.

[Drokens]

There seems to me an important difference between Aquanina's experience and the original post's proposed experiment. In Aquanina's case, information from the waking world possibly crossed over into a dream. In the experiment, information created in a dream would have to cross over into the waking world. Why does it matter which way it came from? If we're proposing that information can travel from waking life to dream life, why wouldn't it be able to go both directions? I don't see one direction being any more logical than the other. She didn't say that she had seen the text or email before she went to sleep, so it wasn't all in her mind, because her mind hadn't seen it yet.

[MadMonkey]

I believe it could be posible for things from the waking world to effect out dream worlds and I think it is theoreticly posible for it to go the other way but not like this.

[StonedApe]

Let's try to keep the derision to a minimum...shall we? Though some of you will think it a ridiculous notion, I challenge you to open your minds a bit. I have received "emails" and "texts" from people before while dreaming, only to wake and discover that someone had actually sent me an email or text which said the exact thing I had seen in my dream. I also read an interesting research paper about the correlation between the dream state and the exchange of information in the form of emails, text, phone calls, etc. I'll see if I can find the paper. I am doubtful that it would be possible to make a post to the forum from within a dream, but it is definitely something worth exploring. Though perhaps it would be better to try to send someone information while they are dreaming, rather than the other way around. But of course, how anyone would know exactly when someone is dreaming creates a whole other set of problems. But that's different. While it seems unlikely, and more like those things are just coincidences, there are feasible reasons why that could happen. Like some kind of psychic link between people. If shared dreaming is possible(I'm a doubter, but I keep an open mind about it) then I think those things would be possible because of the same mechanisms. Clearly things you do in dreams don't have a physical effect on reality other than the effect that they have on you, that's what makes them dreams.

[insideout]

Why does it matter which way it came from? If we're proposing that information can travel from waking life to dream life, why wouldn't it be able to go both directions? I don't see one direction being any more logical than the other. She didn't say that she had seen the text or email before she went to sleep, so it wasn't all in her mind, because her mind hadn't seen it yet. I agree that if the dreaming mind can pick up on certain things from the waking world, then the dreaming mind could potentially effect certain things in the waking world. But I think it would be very limited, simply because of the way the physical world operates. A dream could not effect the waking world in the way the OP suggests because computers and the internet are set up to work through specific actions in the waking reality.

[Rybread34]

I sometimes have false awakenings in which I write down the dream that I just had. When I actually wake up, there is nothing written there. Why would the forum be any different? That happens all the time to me D: lol. Actually in my first Lucid Dream I was thinking about what I was going to write down when I woke up, then I transitioned into a different dream, lost lucidity, and wrote on my dream on the driveway with chalk...lol

[Drokens]

I agree that if the dreaming mind can pick up on certain things from the waking world, then the dreaming mind could potentially effect certain things in the waking world. But I think it would be very limited, simply because of the way the physical world operates. A dream could not effect the waking world in the way the OP suggests because computers and the internet are set up to work through specific actions in the waking reality. What is an example of knowing something in the real world, entering the dream world with that knowledge and then having it effect the real world? I can think of none, besides maybe physiological changes in yourself. But that would still be limited to your mind, which is still present in the dream world.

[insideout]

What is an example of knowing something in the real world, entering the dream world with that knowledge and then having it effect the real world? I can think of none, besides maybe physiological changes in yourself. But that would still be limited to your mind, which is still present in the dream world. I don't know of any examples either. I am skeptical of dreams being anything other than created by and existing in the human brain. I was just trying to say that if dreams could directly effect the real world, they would only be able to in a very limited way. I'm not sure which ways dreams could effect the real world (maybe other human minds, although I'm doubtful of that too), but I am sure of which ways dreams could not effect the real world (making forum posts, writing in my dream journal, etc.).

[nina]

Well there have been research studies that support the hypothesis that a person who is having an OBE can affect certain electronic equipment. There were cases where they would set up these meters, similar to the kind they use with ghost hunting I think, and have them completely isolated in a room with nothing to cause interference with the reading. Then the person a completely separate room would try to project into the room with the electronic equipment and cause it to give a reading. It worked numerous times that this equipment would pick up on their presence. Again, this is a research study that I read about while researching authentic evidence for OBEs and I will try to provide a link if I can find it again. I think it was a really long pdf file that I've got bookmarked somewhere. Anyways, there is evidence that people can affect electronic equipment from the dream state, or the out of body state, I don't really know what the difference is between the two. And there is evidence that people have received real time information while in the dream state. But these are more direct sort of connections. From person to electronic media. In the dream, you will only be on the dream version of dream views, on a dream computer sending a dream post...so I can't see how that would have anything to do with affecting the real dream views. It's a bit like dream sharing. There's a difference between actually sharing a dream with someone, and just hanging out with a dream character version of them that you created. I think trying to send a post from a dream would be similar to the latter. It's just a dream character version of dream views. When people who were dreaming were able to interact with the real world...they were having OBEs, and they were right in front of the real electrical equipment. Therefore I think the best you could hope for...would be to write a post...leave the page open and do not submit the post yet. Then go to sleep and try to have an OBE. During the OBE head over to the computer, and try your damnedest to somehow get the post to submit. Maybe you could even try to key in a few words, who knows. But start simply.