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      Question Piracetam and Lucid Dreaming...

      I recently started taking Piracetam (8 months ago) for my memory issues dealing with short term memory and to help me with my SAD/ASD since I don't like taking pharmaceuticals.

      I've always had really vivid dreams, and I remember having lucid dreams as young as in my elementary years. However I usually couldn't remember much of them when waking, only fragments (usually the parts where i had complete control of the dream) and about 6 months ago I started to notice i was recalling my dreams a little better in the early hours of the day.

      Not only that but my dreams had a much realer feel to them. Details seemed a littler sharper, and features in the faces of others did too. I've been getting my Piracetam over the net from smartdrugsforthought.com, since they actually included clinical/scientific/medical research documents to cite their claims. They don't have Lucid dreaming listed though, however I see that people have brought this up in the past. But that was like years ago...

      Anyone else take it and experience this, or am I experiencing some form of placebo effect and just over thinking this

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      So this is why a bot came advertising smart drugs for thought....
      Please don't mention website names here ok?

      It definitely does help with vivid and lucid dreams. It's well documented, and we have a thread here on galantamine, which is also a nootropic.
      Do you take Choline as well? It should increase this effect even more.

      I've never done either of these personally, but only coz it's a prescription drug here, can't get it OTC

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      Heard tommo talking about this on another thread, would like to hear what any other ld'ers have to say. What's the difference between this and galantamine? Can they be taken as a combo? I find galantamine keeps me too awake, would Piracetam be better, or worse?

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      Lots of people take them together, but they do keep you awake, that's why it is best to take them during the day, because the effects still continue while you're sleeping, but there's no stimulation.

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      Yes I take choline as well, and sorry about that..

      Yea, I take choline, and get it from eating eggs in the morning. Yea, I take piracetam in the morning with my coffee lol. And I've never tried galantamine, I know someone who did take it regularly however it would upset their stomach. So I never really gave it a shot, and I'm content with how piracetam has been.

      I'm finding it a lot easier when waking up from a dream to fall back into it. I normally have trouble sleeping at night so, continuously would wake up with out being able to fall back to sleep so quickly. I've had lucid dreams since I was a child, I had an interesting dream last night actually. I should have written it down when I had woken up. :/

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      Piracetam and Lucid dreaming

      I would have to agree with all the above. I love this thread lol. I've been having intense lucid dreaming with Piracetam. Just to say the least I take attack doses every day. I love it and I wouldn't try anything else. It's great for the start of the day and for the time while I have reached my REM. Keep up this thread, it is very interesting. The last dream I had, I jumped off a high cliff and flew away right before I hit the ground. Although I had complete control of this dream, it was electrifying! I want more of these to happen. REM here we come !!!

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      Quote Originally Posted by TonyHChan View Post
      I would have to agree with all the above. I love this thread lol. I've been having intense lucid dreaming with Piracetam. Just to say the least I take attack doses every day. I love it and I wouldn't try anything else. It's great for the start of the day and for the time while I have reached my REM. Keep up this thread, it is very interesting. The last dream I had, I jumped off a high cliff and flew away right before I hit the ground. Although I had complete control of this dream, it was electrifying! I want more of these to happen. REM here we come !!!
      Interesting. Welcome to the forums
      So you take it first thing in the morning? and you had more lucid dreams once you started taking them?

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      Thumbs up Piracetam Lucid Dreaming

      Quote Originally Posted by ShadowOfSelf View Post
      Interesting. Welcome to the forums
      So you take it first thing in the morning? and you had more lucid dreams once you started taking them?
      Yes, I definitely have experienced mild to strong lucid dreaming the 2nd day I was using piracetam. To this day I experience lucid dreaming every night. I do take Piracetam with Choline supplements every now and then though.

      Thank you for welcoming me by the way.

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      I would like to ask you.

      Quote Originally Posted by Shadow12ogue View Post
      Yes I take choline as well, and sorry about that..

      Yea, I take choline, and get it from eating eggs in the morning. Yea, I take piracetam in the morning with my coffee lol. And I've never tried galantamine, I know someone who did take it regularly however it would upset their stomach. So I never really gave it a shot, and I'm content with how piracetam has been.

      I'm finding it a lot easier when waking up from a dream to fall back into it. I normally have trouble sleeping at night so, continuously would wake up with out being able to fall back to sleep so quickly. I've had lucid dreams since I was a child, I had an interesting dream last night actually. I should have written it down when I had woken up. :/
      Do you notice that music sounds great with piracetam?

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      This sounds really interesting I'd like to try something like that. Unfortunately all of these supplements count as prescription drugs...
      Personal Records so far: Max lucids per day: 2 | Max lucids per week: 4 | Max lucids per month: 8 | Max dreams recalled in one night: 17
      Longest lucid dream: ~35min | Highest flight: zoomed out of common existence [WTF?] | Fastest speed: FTL | DILD/EILD/DEILD [X] | WILD/VILD [X] | MILD/FILD/HILD [ ]
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      prescription - Piracetam

      Quote Originally Posted by StaySharp View Post
      This sounds really interesting I'd like to try something like that. Unfortunately all of these supplements count as prescription drugs...
      It appears that it is a prescription in some countries. I did not know that, but discovered that when I was reading through this article about piracetam What is Piracetam? | Smart Drugs for Thought - thanks 5hadow12ogue btw. It seems that it is completely legal in the US, Canada, and SE asia though. Some European countries have it as a prescription. I don't see why it is a prescription, it appears to be a non-toxic and non-addictive substances which is completely safe.

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      I must admit, at first I thought it to be a drug with potentially evil side effects, and I've seen posts like that elswhere too. Yet the more I actually learn about Piracetam, the less dangerous it appears to me. Absolutely nowhere can I find lists or experiences of really bad side effects. The most common side effect list, which also is included with Piracetam itself, only suggests it can have bad side effects in very, very rare cases. Not to mention even in the worst cases none of the listed side effects are permanent, the most serious side effect would be an allergic shock, and I'll have to tell no one that pretty much everything can do that if just the person is allergic. It is absolutely harmless compared to the side effect of far more common and OTC medicaments like Aspirin where even common side effects can be permanent and really harmful.

      Yet the one thing I'm not able to find is exactly why Piracetam requires an prescription. I'd assume it's just being overly careful and waiting for reasearch on healthy persons to be finished. Well I'm definitely not going to do anything illegal to try Piracetam but once I can get it on the right side of the law I'll make sure to give it a chance.
      Personal Records so far: Max lucids per day: 2 | Max lucids per week: 4 | Max lucids per month: 8 | Max dreams recalled in one night: 17
      Longest lucid dream: ~35min | Highest flight: zoomed out of common existence [WTF?] | Fastest speed: FTL | DILD/EILD/DEILD [X] | WILD/VILD [X] | MILD/FILD/HILD [ ]
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      There's probably several reasons why it requires a prescription. One of these is that the government of example nation could have many ties with Pharmaceutical companies and these companies might prefer that Piracetam would require a prescription versus being available to the general public through health food stores. Another reason why Piracetam might need a prescription in your country could be that example country doesn't have enough scientific research done there on Piracetam to allow it to be available without prescription, but I highly doubt this reason.

      There has been some research done on healthy individuals, however this was done in the late 70's in America. It was a double blind study (neither scientist nor participant knew which was the placebo) and it did show noticeable results. Most tests after that were done on rats, mice, and other small creatures (since it's more "ethical" to do that).

      And yea, I was really really skeptical when I first was given Piracetam. I'm not going to say my grandma is a nutcase, but she's very "spiritual" if you get what I mean. But I was open to just trying it out and seeing if it just might work, and after...like...2 weeks to 2 months I was noticing effects. And ALWAYS stay on the right side of the law, jail is no fun. LOL
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      It is only on prescription for Alzheimer's patients. You won't get it on prescription for lucid dreaming lol It is available over the counter in some countries.

      TBH the only reason I can see why it is not available freely in a lot of places is because the governments don't want the people to have a clear head and be able to remember certain things more easily.

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      Uh...I think they use it as a prescription drug for epilepsy in some European countries as well. But yea, most of them have it for Alz.

      It's available "over the counter" in america, however you can't find it in any stores. You typically have to go online to find it, and let's be honest the internet is a sketch place. I'm really skeptical about what I read, and what I try to purchase online. Like, so much so that I didn't believe in eBay until just this year because I was always wondering/worrying about "what-if's". LOL!

      And yea Tommo, I would have to say that is more than likely the number one reason that they have it through Prescription only in several countries. I read that Piracetam stimulates the Corpus Callosum, the area of the brain that bridges the two hemispheres, and got to thinking maybe this is why Piracetam has been shown to cause Lucid dreaming. Maybe it has something to do with the two hemispheres working together during REM that allows you to Lucid dream??? I'm not sure, to be honest I'm not even sure how Lucid dreaming is scientifically explained.
      "It isn't your destination that others will look at and take notice of,"
      "but how you got there."

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      I'm very suspicious too when looking online for anything. But especially stuff that I'm going to eat! lol

      I have only ever ordered supplements from well known brands that are based in my country, or a country like U.S, Canada, U.K. But it's well known that most of them, especially loose powder form, are made in Chinese laboratories (i.e a warehouse with some Bunsen burners and a couple of flasks). I don't know how people buy that crap.

      It's the ONLY reason I'm not using it right now lol

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      Yea I'm always careful about what I ingest. I don't drink many sodas (maybe 1 a week) and I stay far far away from fried foods. I don't have a health or weight problem, if anything I'm underweight (got a really high metabolism), just want to stay healthy so that when I'm older I don't have to reap the destructive oats from my youth.

      Haha yea! I KNOW RIGHT! Not that I have anything against Chinese labs or Chinese products, just that I know they don't have the same health code regulations that USA does (ie. lead toys!!!).

      The people who I order from actually synthesize the product in the US and distribute it through out the world. Which is pretty sweet I guess. Makes me feel more comfortable, along with the plethora of information they have available on their site for one to figure out what exactly Piracetam is and how it works.
      "It isn't your destination that others will look at and take notice of,"
      "but how you got there."

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      Quote Originally Posted by Shadow12ogue View Post
      Yea I'm always careful about what I ingest. I don't drink many sodas (maybe 1 a week) and I stay far far away from fried foods. I don't have a health or weight problem, if anything I'm underweight (got a really high metabolism), just want to stay healthy so that when I'm older I don't have to reap the destructive oats from my youth.

      Haha yea! I KNOW RIGHT! Not that I have anything against Chinese labs or Chinese products, just that I know they don't have the same health code regulations that USA does (ie. lead toys!!!).

      The people who I order from actually synthesize the product in the US and distribute it through out the world. Which is pretty sweet I guess. Makes me feel more comfortable, along with the plethora of information they have available on their site for one to figure out what exactly Piracetam is and how it works.
      I somehow forgot the thread we were in and so I didn't actually realise you were taking Piracetam lol Could you maybe PM me the name of this company?
      EDIT: nevermind. I just realised the url was in the OP. Now it's all coming back to me, a bot came here after you posted it lol

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      A bot came here? Like....a google bot or something?

      Or an Android!!!!!

      How did you know a bot came? I have a forum that I moderate, and it only shows "guests" :/
      But yea it is in the OP.
      "It isn't your destination that others will look at and take notice of,"
      "but how you got there."

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      I had a truly amazing dream last night by the way.

      Basically I was living in like post WW3 america. It was pretty much the size of a large amount of land with some fence around it. I escaped however into...what was the actual truck was behind my family's business in RL, and was shot at before getting on a small boat and sailing off. It was a crazy visual dream, very vibrant and colourful! I wish I could remember more, however it's been several hours.....
      "It isn't your destination that others will look at and take notice of,"
      "but how you got there."

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      Quote Originally Posted by Shadow12ogue View Post
      A bot came here? Like....a google bot or something?

      Or an Android!!!!!

      How did you know a bot came? I have a forum that I moderate, and it only shows "guests" :/
      But yea it is in the OP.
      That's what I was talking about in my first reply to this thread lol

      I was in another nootropic thread here (I think it was the galantamine one? not 100% sure) but someone, or a bot, was advertising that website you mentioned. Then I came in here and I saw you had written it, so I figured they or it came here because you wrote it.
      That why I said don't type in product URL's. Coz it attracts them.

      I don't think I would order it from them because of all the spamming I've seen, basically all the info I can find is spammers/bots etc.

      Nice dream! Sometimes more comes back to you later on in the day out of nowhere pretty much haha It's always fun when that happens. So don't worry if you can't remember it right now!

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      Yea they crawl through them and do stuff. I heard bots are pretty bad and wreck on computers, or do nothing but just drift around collecting info. Trippy stuff. Yea, some sites don't really care about URL's so long as they're topic related, and aren't malicious.


      :S Spamming you have seen? I order from them, I mean....is this something I should be worried about? I don't understand how bots work at all. Hahah i keep reading your second paragraph and I'm getting lost more and more. I'm guessing they (bot) came here (site or thread or ?) when I posted the link......or they came here before and were idk...doing devilish robotic things lol.
      "It isn't your destination that others will look at and take notice of,"
      "but how you got there."

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      Quote Originally Posted by Shadow12ogue View Post
      I had a truly amazing dream last night by the way.

      Basically I was living in like post WW3 america. It was pretty much the size of a large amount of land with some fence around it. I escaped however into...what was the actual truck was behind my family's business in RL, and was shot at before getting on a small boat and sailing off. It was a crazy visual dream, very vibrant and colourful! I wish I could remember more, however it's been several hours.....
      Hey great dream there my friend, I have also experienced pleasant and realistic dreams as you do every night now. I want to let you know that I went with the brand you are using as piracetam from Smart Drugs for Thought. I was receiving mine from a place called cognitive nutrition and it was twice as expensive as Neuro-Boost. I usually order 1 so it doesn't raise flags at customs btw. I discussed the shipping methods and customs declaration (to S. Korea as "Vitamins" from USA) to them over email and they were very prompt and practiced great customer care. It should arrive here sometime next week so I will keep you updated thanks. The vitamins sig on the declaration seems to work every time. They opened up the package 2 times before in the past and there was no problem with it. As far as countries where it is a prescription substance, I can not say what to do. This is my experience coming from Korea. I'm not sure on how strict they are in Europe - Germany with supplements being shipped from USA.

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      Whoa...that's intense. Through customs just like that? That's pretty epic lol Korea sounds pretty cool in my book. I'd be ordering "vitamins" all the time HAHAHA!
      "It isn't your destination that others will look at and take notice of,"
      "but how you got there."

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      This^^^^ is exactly what I'm talking about. Lol
      At least I don't have to explain it now. I don't know if he is actually a bot, but it might be.
      He has posted on several forums with the same name and/or avatar.
      See what I mean? lol

      Funny stuff, but any company who has to spam, I tend to think their product is not very good, you know?
      You don't see large companies with reputable products spamming on forums.

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