Thread: Cannabis-Induced-Lucid-Dreaming ( OH YEA )

I'll disagree with you for $100 lol j/k

Originally Posted by MementoMori

I'll disagree with you for $100 lol j/k

You'll have to wait a few years...and that's with no interest.

lol ↑

What lucid4sho said.

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

You got a reference for this study ?

Yes. Since you haven't provided any references for your claims I thought I wouldn't bother. But here it is.http://www.medpagetoday.com/Hematolo...ungCancer/3393
Mind you this guy has been studying Cannabis for 40 years or something I think it was. Can't remember exactly the time now but he has been trying to prove that it causes cancer a many many years. He finally came out with this study which proves otherwise. So I congratulate him on not just burying positive results. He's a real scientist.
I can't fin the massive study now but that one's good enough.

Here is a discussion of the study.
http://respiratoryrally.org/lung-can...tudy-pt-1-of-2

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

Absolutely. I've seen many people go from straight edge to pot head and many times I see their life spiral downwards, they lose motivation, grades drop, start slacking at work, start neglecting their partner, stop exercising, etc...

I have also seen the exact opposite happen, but the point is marijuana can potentially have devastating negative effects on a persons life, so it should not be taken lightly.

No it shouldn't be taken lightly at all. But if people are already smoking, what's the harm in trying to use it to LD?
Especially if we find that you must take advantage of the rebound effect to get a lucid dream. This would mean stopping smoking for a while to experience the effect.
We aren't encouraging anyone to START smoking just to LD. That would be irresponsible.
You said 'grades drop', which indicates you're talking about kids at school or uni. I would never encourage anyone under ~25 to smoke Cannabis. The brain is still developing in to the early 20's. Cannabis CAN change the way the brain develops. But whether that's a good or a bad change depends upon the person. Some people end up better off if they smoke Cannabis from a younger age, like around ~13-14.
For example it's proven that it can help people with ADHD. And I've seen this and heard other people talk about their friends with ADHD, that when they started smoking Cannabis, they were much more able to work and talk without being distracted etc. If they hadn't smoked when they were young, theirgrades would drop and they would be all round hard to deal with etc. etc.
Some people report that they can't concentrate while high, which would explain the things that you've seen. But you've got a biased view point so it's completely unscientific.
There's probably more studies for this but this is the first one I could find, http://www.cannabis-med.org/english/...l.php?id=162#4

Originally Posted by Loaf

I don't hate you.
I don't judge you for being a smoker. I judge you for trying to make smoking sound acceptable.

Why shouldn't it be acceptable? It should be acceptable for anyone to put anything they bloody well want in to their OWN BODIES!!!!

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

No prob, I'll cut ya some slack since your probably high.

All this does is expound your bias. People make mistakes, you don't have to be high to do that.

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

I saw several studies supporting that marijuana lacks physically addictive properties over 10 years ago. This is good in many ways, only thing is that the mind controls everything, and if the mental addiction is strong enough, it can produce withdrawal symptoms that rival that of physically addictive drugs.

Buh-Bow (<< the sound of wrong ). Show me any evidence that this is true. Mental dependence cannot come anywhere near physical. In fact this makes me want to smack people silly. It's like video game addiction. It's fucking BULLSHIT!!!!!!! As was said once on 'Boston Legal', "I would like to see the reaction on a Heroin addicts face when you tell them you are addicted to video games!". The same is true for Cannabis. It has NO addictive chemicals, so it is just as addictive as video games or running.

Also, the 'mind' does not control everything. The brain does. Of course the 'mind' is in the brain, but it's just a part of us that we can control, like what we want to do etc. The rest of the brain is off limits to most people, like only very experienced yogi's etc. can control pain and shut down body organs etc. The mind could produce those physical symptoms of withdrawal though, IF the person (mind) THINKS that it will. And who do you think puts this idea in those peoples heads? Propaganda. (and people who believe propaganda, like you) If everyone is telling someone that smoking weed and then stopping is going to produce Heroin-level withdrawals, that person will experience something similar, but still not AS bad.
BUT if someone knows that it isn't addictive, they will not experience any withdrawals (beyond boredom for a couple of days) because there is no physical chemical reaction happening in the brain to make those withdrawals happen.

In other words, the brain could trick the person in to withdrawals from Cannabis, a la placebo effect, but this is only if they are lied to by everyone and told that it will produce those effects and they start to believe it.

You know, i don't have a problem with other people smoking, i just prefer not to. But since there are some influence-able 15 - 18 kids around, there should be a distinct 18+ only warning in the thread title. Would keep alot of anti drug people off your back. I would be happy with that. Although most, as someone said, would have tried it by 15 if they were going to try it at all, but who are we to say that? They are not classified as adults, and so should not be exposed to these type of topics. Not because they are terrible suicidal acts within, but they should remain oblivious to as many POSSIBLE negative influences until they are of an age were they are classified as an adult and can make those choice themselves.

Same reason why it is thought that kids shouldn't swear. It is something that they can choose to do when they are old enough to fully understand the consequences of there actions. When they grow up, we couldn't give two shits if they swear. Almost the same in my mind goes with Drug use.

Yes. Since you haven't provided any references for your claims I thought I wouldn't bother. But here it is.

Not sure what claim you are referring to but let me know if you'd like a reference for something.

and people who smoked Cannabis and Cigarettes still had no increased risk of Cancer compared to non-smokers. Indicating that Cannabis probably has some ANTI-cancerous properties!

"Dr. Tashkin was quick to point out, however, that marijuana does not appear to have a protective effect against cancer." Quote from your reference.

I wasn't doubting that Marijuana doesn't significantly increase the risk of cancer, I just knew you had made that last part up.

No it shouldn't be taken lightly at all. But if people are already smoking, what's the harm in trying to use it to LD?
Especially if we find that you must take advantage of the rebound effect to get a lucid dream. This would mean stopping smoking for a while to experience the effect.
We aren't encouraging anyone to START smoking just to LD. That would be irresponsible.

That was my point. If you already smoke then go ahead and experiment, just don't start smoking for the sole purpose of LDing. I said we shouldn't take it lightly, I didn't mean to point any fingers or accuse anyone of encouraging people to smoke.

You said 'grades drop', which indicates you're talking about kids at school or uni. I would never encourage anyone under ~25 to smoke Cannabis. The brain is still developing in to the early 20's. Cannabis CAN change the way the brain develops. But whether that's a good or a bad change depends upon the person. .

Well said.

Some people end up better off if they smoke Cannabis from a younger age, like around ~13-14 . For example it's proven that it can help people with ADHD. And I've seen this and heard other people talk about their friends with ADHD, that when they started smoking Cannabis, they were much more able to work and talk without being distracted etc. If they hadn't smoked when they were young, theirgrades would drop and they would be all round hard to deal with etc. etc.
Some people report that they can't concentrate while high, which would explain the things that you've seen.

Sure, marijuana can potentially be beneficial for all sorts of conditions, its probably the most valuable medicinal plant on earth.

But you've got a biased view point so it's completely unscientific.

Do you know what biased means? I'm clearly on both sides of this debate.

All this does is expound your bias. People make mistakes, you don't have to be high to do that.

Lighten up, I'm trying to interject some humor, I smoke weed too.

Mental dependence cannot come anywhere near physical. In fact this makes me want to smack people silly. It's like video game addiction. It's fucking BULLSHIT!!!!!!! As was said once on 'Boston Legal', "I would like to see the reaction on a Heroin addicts face when you tell them you are addicted to video games!". The same is true for Cannabis. It has NO addictive chemicals, so it is just as addictive as video games or running.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc
This video says it all..


Again, its just a debate no reason to lose your cool.

Originally Posted by Loaf

Okay, so obviously I was basing my facts on other forms of smoking, but regardless of what I posted the point still remains. I still feel that using pot to make yourself lucid is just stupid, and it just sounds like another excuse to take more pot.

Ah, Loaf, I understand where you're coming from. I see your point, but the fact is that it would be better made elsewhere. You made the mistake of posting something bad about weed in a thread full of people who smoke it and are no doubt well versed in the facts, statistics, and experiences of weed. Its (in my opinion) kind of like a Christian posting bible verses in a thread about legalizing gay marriage. Now I could probably try to argue with you and provide evidence that proves you were mistaken, but I think you've learned your lesson

Originally Posted by damanptyltd

You know, i don't have a problem with other ........

Well, who's to say that 18 is the age that people can make informed decisions, taking in to account the repercussions? IMO people should be able to get any information they want at any age. We shouldn't restrict knowledge, otherwise where does it stop?

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

"Dr. Tashkin was quick to point out, however, that marijuana does not appear to have a protective effect against cancer." Quote from your reference.

I wasn't doubting that Marijuana doesn't significantly increase the risk of cancer, I just knew you had made that last part up.

Oh, okay then, check here. http://cannalink.org/granny/Physical/CANCER/

I didn't realise you were arguing both sides, I tend to not take much notice of user names most of the time. Probably should start lol

No prob. I've seen studies showing that oral extracts of marijuana after anti carcinogenic effects as well as other medicinal properties that are lost when it is smoked. Only thing is I get nervous about making oral extracts because whatever chemical fertilizers were used and such are going to enter you more so than when smoking it. If only it were legal we could buy certified organic extracts.

You are literally the biggest moron on this forum, Loaf. Fine, we won't inhale the ash. I'll just use my vaporizer! Dumbass. And if that's not good enough, I'll make some "special" brownies. I'm not even inhaling it now, I'm eating it. And you know what?.. It tastes great you dumbass prude.

Smoking pot is excepted everywhere. There are more people that smoke it, than who don't. It's just not excepted by close-minded people like you. You don't like to live or have fun. You just like to ruin everyone else's fun. But it's okay, regardless of your worthless opinion, I will smoke anyways. In fact, I'll roll a nice ole blunt just for you and smoke it this afternoon, on 4:20. Cheers Loaf.


Oh and if you want to argue that my pot isn't clean or pure enough. Wrong. I buy / smoke it with my friend Scotty who grows his own Kush & Dro. I've even helped him at some points.

But I do realize that buying pot from strangers can be dangerous or harmful to some extent. That's why you should always know the dealer

Originally Posted by Motumz

Oh and if you want to argue that my pot isn't clean or pure enough. Wrong. I buy / smoke it with my friend Scotty who grows his own Kush & Dro. I've even helped him at some points.

Admit you use drugs all you want, but why take the chance of narcing out your buddy for growing it. I know its extremely unlikely to be investigated due to an internet post, but why even take the chance.

Most people don't have the luxury of first hand knowing a grower, probably because most growers are smart enough not to tell people, because they might go run their mouth and tell everyone, perfect example.

Originally Posted by tommo

Well, who's to say that 18 is the age that people can make informed decisions, taking in to account the repercussions? IMO people should be able to get any information they want at any age. We shouldn't restrict knowledge, otherwise where does it stop?

Exactly exactly exactly exactly 110%.

Someone drew a connection between drugs and swearing or whatever, just like to say that this ^ is essentially my answer to that, and the reason why I'm against censorship, and abstinence teaching and whatnot.

Originally Posted by tommo

Yes. Since you haven't provided any references for your claims I thought I wouldn't bother. But here it is.http://www.medpagetoday.com/Hematolo...ungCancer/3393
Mind you this guy has been studying Cannabis for 40 years or something I think it was. Can't remember exactly the time now but he has been trying to prove that it causes cancer a many many years. He finally came out with this study which proves otherwise. So I congratulate him on not just burying positive results. He's a real scientist.
I can't fin the massive study now but that one's good enough.

Here is a discussion of the study.
http://respiratoryrally.org/lung-can...tudy-pt-1-of-2

No it shouldn't be taken lightly at all. But if people are already smoking, what's the harm in trying to use it to LD?
Especially if we find that you must take advantage of the rebound effect to get a lucid dream. This would mean stopping smoking for a while to experience the effect.
We aren't encouraging anyone to START smoking just to LD. That would be irresponsible.
You said 'grades drop', which indicates you're talking about kids at school or uni. I would never encourage anyone under ~25 to smoke Cannabis. The brain is still developing in to the early 20's. Cannabis CAN change the way the brain develops. But whether that's a good or a bad change depends upon the person. Some people end up better off if they smoke Cannabis from a younger age, like around ~13-14.
For example it's proven that it can help people with ADHD. And I've seen this and heard other people talk about their friends with ADHD, that when they started smoking Cannabis, they were much more able to work and talk without being distracted etc. If they hadn't smoked when they were young, theirgrades would drop and they would be all round hard to deal with etc. etc.
Some people report that they can't concentrate while high, which would explain the things that you've seen. But you've got a biased view point so it's completely unscientific.
There's probably more studies for this but this is the first one I could find, http://www.cannabis-med.org/english/...l.php?id=162#4


Why shouldn't it be acceptable? It should be acceptable for anyone to put anything they bloody well want in to their OWN BODIES!!!!


All this does is expound your bias. People make mistakes, you don't have to be high to do that.

Buh-Bow (<< the sound of wrong ). Show me any evidence that this is true. Mental dependence cannot come anywhere near physical. In fact this makes me want to smack people silly. It's like video game addiction. It's fucking BULLSHIT!!!!!!! As was said once on 'Boston Legal', "I would like to see the reaction on a Heroin addicts face when you tell them you are addicted to video games!". The same is true for Cannabis. It has NO addictive chemicals, so it is just as addictive as video games or running.

Also, the 'mind' does not control everything. The brain does. Of course the 'mind' is in the brain, but it's just a part of us that we can control, like what we want to do etc. The rest of the brain is off limits to most people, like only very experienced yogi's etc. can control pain and shut down body organs etc. The mind could produce those physical symptoms of withdrawal though, IF the person (mind) THINKS that it will. And who do you think puts this idea in those peoples heads? Propaganda. (and people who believe propaganda, like you) If everyone is telling someone that smoking weed and then stopping is going to produce Heroin-level withdrawals, that person will experience something similar, but still not AS bad.
BUT if someone knows that it isn't addictive, they will not experience any withdrawals (beyond boredom for a couple of days) because there is no physical chemical reaction happening in the brain to make those withdrawals happen.

In other words, the brain could trick the person in to withdrawals from Cannabis, a la placebo effect, but this is only if they are lied to by everyone and told that it will produce those effects and they start to believe it.

The brain is still growing into the 20's but it's been shown that that negative effect isn't there if they start smoking AFTER 13 years old. ( aprox) I watched a neat, unbiased documentary where they admit they don't know what the effects of having bot anti-cancerous and cancerous chemicals so I won't say it cancels anything out.

I agree with the rest though.

Originally Posted by Motumz

You are literally the biggest moron on this forum, Loaf.

Getting angry are we?
Oh, did I touch a nerve? Or are you just high.

Its (in my opinion) kind of like a Christian posting bible verses in a thread about legalizing gay marriage.

Ha ha, yeah thats a good analogy.
My point remains valid.

To answer this post honestly, i haven't smoked in about two months because i've been trying to get this job, but for Christmas a friend got me some kush and actually found me pipe just like the one Gandolf uses in the movies, the long thin one, and he got it for me for Christmas. He knew about me trying to get the job so he got me some stuff to clean me out in case i get called in for a D-test here in the next couple days. Any who, i put on some deep meditation music and meditated for about an hour to get all this stress off my mind, then once i felt connected well enough to mind subCon i smoked a bowl, anyone who smokes knows that's not alot but it'll get the job done for a little bit. Which is just what i needed. At the peak of my high i laid down and relaxed but kept my awareness by counting my breathing and MAKING SURE NOT TO GET DISTRACTED by anything, i still had the meditation music going. Now i've also been in a dry spell of LD's lately, all my dreams have been real mucky and hard to concentrate on. But as i slipped into my dream i swear to anybody's god i thought i failed and was laying in my floor staring at my ceiling. So i sat up and looked around. it just so happened that my house "left out" the windows lol.

So i thought about the windows and vwip! they grew into the spots where they needed to be. I decided not to do anything crazy but just flex my Lucidness. So i looked at my couch and turned it from it's brown color to white, then again to brown. I felt satisfied with my amount of control so i sat on my couch and began to watch tv but the show looked like blobs of colors interacting, i could understand the show that was on but couldn't tell what it was. That's when i bailed the dream and woke up.... That small bowl of kush after not smoking for a decent amount of time induced a pretty decent Lucid dream for me. I do not recommend smoking for anyone under the legal age of adulthood just out of respect of their parents but if you're an adult, this could have benefits of over-coming a dry spell for you AGAIN: IT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP OVER COME A DRY SPELL OF LUCID DREAMING, IT HELPED ME. Do not base any decision solely on my input though.

Please and thank you...
MementoMori

hey memento be careful using a detox product, they are far from full proof and more and more labs are able to detect them. I highly recommend you get yourself the number 1 or some other synthetic urine product, their pricey, but full proof.

yeah, it's just a allergy medicine sold over the counter that flushes your sinus congestion outta your bladder and um colon and just so happens to help clean the THC particles left behind from smoking. It's pretty handy... appreciate the advice though.

Can't believe I missed this thread.

In theory, cannabis is supposed to help with DILDs but not with WILDs. Cannabis is melatonergic, and thus increases dream vividness and is affects sleep depth. The same could be said about some antidepressants, etc. But it affects short-term memory and focus, which really hinders WILD and its variations.

My only concern is it being just like coffee, as in, being addicted to it makes it work less and less over time. In this case, physiological addiction really is the problem to be discussed.

I wish there were studies over this.

i'm pretty sure i got a REM rebound off of it last night too

Originally Posted by Loaf

Getting angry are we?
Oh, did I touch a nerve? Or are you just high.

Not at all. I just think it's funny how you think you're so smart with your prudent attitude towards pot. Relax and get laid you faggot


Shit we got off track though. Anyways, I liked your post MementoMori. But I got confused, did you have a REM-Rebound when you smoked? Or a couple nights after you smoked?

Originally Posted by Motumz

Not at all. I just think it's funny how you think you're so smart with your prudent attitude towards pot. Relax and get laid you faggot

not acceptable talk here, you should be banned.

Originally Posted by Motumz

it's funny how you think you're so smart

No, I'm just finding it a bit off that the argument has started to imply taking pot is just as fine as not taking pot. You might not mean to say that, but thats the impression I am getting from this topic. Frankly its annoying me.
I understand that you are saying pot isn't as bad as most other drugs (whether that is true or not) but that hardly makes it 100% safe. There are a few here who obviously accept that which is fine, but there are a bunch that seem to have a level of ignorance.

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

not acceptable talk here, you should be banned.

Ok? I thought the age limit on this forum was like 13 or something? He's mature, I'm not gonna make him cry.. So relax fool.

Originally Posted by Loaf

but that hardly makes it 100% safe.

Ok. That's fine, and I understand that. But that's how this all got started. You say there are bad qualities in pot, but what you don't say is WHY (i do think you stated some reasons earlier, but that was after everyone started getting defensive 'n shit) Which is what pushes our buttons. Because there have been many people (mostly in my life) who will judge me for smoking pot. Which I don't really mind, cause if they judge me.. hah.. I don't even want to be their fuckin friend in the first place. But anyways, they never say why they hate pot. Or why it's such a "bad" drug.. so they say. They've just been influenced by other assholes who don't know what they are talking about (i'm not relating to anyone here) Which is mainly how pot gots it's horrible reputation. Is basically from lies. Because frankly.. EVERYTHING can be bad for you. I can drink to much water and die.

But uhhhh.. I kinda forgot what I was getting at. No, not cause I smoke pot I'm just tired and sick haha. But anyways, dunno if this post has cleared anything up but whatever. Going to bed..