Thread: Cannabis-Induced-Lucid-Dreaming ( OH YEA )

Originally Posted by tommo

Wow, what a constructive post!
You could have just, oh I dunno.... not posted? Instead of passively letting everyone know you hate Cannabis.

Yeah that was my thought.

Anyway, back on topic. I smoke on a regular basis. Most days I smoke 3-5 times I day everyday. I've never had the pleasure of having LD or any kind of closed eye visuals.

That being said, I just ran out last night for the first time in a couple of years and had intense dreams last night. I know it's well documented that weed reduces REM sleep so while I'm out of it for a little while I'm gonna take advantage of dreaming again and try to have my first lucid dream.

Last night I came as close as I ever had to a LD. I couldn't control it but It was a lot more intense then they usually are.

Good info :] Glad i wont have to cut down too much eheh

Originally Posted by tommo

Wow, what a constructive post!
You could have just, oh I dunno.... not posted? Instead of passively letting everyone know you hate Cannabis.

I could just imagine some younger people who are now trying to have an LD by getting stoned, thanks to a bunch of pot heads. Someone needs to step in an disagree. Wouldn't want people to get the wrong idea.

Could I just warn you guys. I have read from a few places that weed lowers your blood serotonin levels.

This can do bad shit to your sleep. It makes you sleep heavier, which is no good for certain techniques.

I'm just letting you know... I won't interfere with your illegal induction method.

Originally Posted by Loaf

I could just imagine some younger people who are now trying to have an LD by getting stoned, thanks to a bunch of pot heads. Someone needs to step in an disagree. Wouldn't want people to get the wrong idea.

You're supposed to be at least 15 to join this forum, and if a 15-year-old hasn't tried pot already, odds are they're not gonna do it for this reason alone without giving it a little bit of rational thought initially. (I'm not saying this to give 15-year-olds more credit than they deserve, just that most of the "younger people" who would be stupid enough to try it without consideration for its potential negative effects are likely to have already tried it before the age of 15.)

Originally Posted by Loaf

I could just imagine some younger people who are now trying to have an LD by getting stoned, thanks to a bunch of pot heads. Someone needs to step in an disagree. Wouldn't want people to get the wrong idea.

What's wrong with getting stoned? It's a herb, big deal. It's not like it's meth you prick.

Originally Posted by Motumz

What's wrong with getting stoned? It's a herb, big deal. It's not like it's meth you prick.

Inhaling burning ash in any form is not healthy.

Originally Posted by Loaf

Inhaling burning ash in any form is not healthy.

Doesn't everybody know that? Smoke of any kind in the lung is unhealthy. People who smoke think the reward is better then the risk, you obviously think the opposite. I'm not condoning smoking weed just to dream either. But since I do smoke and I do dream I'll share my experiences. Eating too much fat is unhealthy too, why don't you bitch on people for that too?

By the way, if your inhaling ashes you're doing it wrong. No wonder you don't like it.

Originally Posted by Boogaloojay

Eating too much fat is unhealthy too, why don't you bitch on people for that too?

Because unlike you addicted stoners, I can stop eating bad foods or burn it off in days. You smoke something, you get addicted to it. You shared your poison with everyone else. Your clothes stink of smoke. You damage your body more than eating one too many cream cakes would do. So by all means, suck in that poison. I don't give a shit if you die. Enjoy it. I could eat plenty of shit and I wouldn't cause as much harm as breathing in pot. Pot will fuck your brain up. Fatty foods wont.

Originally Posted by Loaf

Because unlike you addicted stoners, I can stop eating bad foods or burn it off in days. You smoke something, you get addicted to it. You shared your poison with everyone else. Your clothes stink of smoke. You damage your body more than eating one too many cream cakes would do. So by all means, suck in that poison. I don't give a shit if you die. Enjoy it. I could eat plenty of shit and I wouldn't cause as much harm as breathing in pot. Pot will fuck your brain up. Fatty foods wont.

Funny you don't see many old fat people, plenty of old stoner though. Strange how that works. For your information most people can stop smoking whenever they want to. It's not mentally addicting at all and that's a fact. Obviously I'll smoke when I get more but I'm not suffering at all by not smoking. Unlike cigs and alcohol, which by the way I do neither. You really think people have died from smoking weed? Not nearly as many as cigs. It's not healthy because it's still smoke but you really think it's as harmful as you say it is you either have a personal vendetta or you're just ignorant.

Originally Posted by Boogaloojay

Funny you don't see many old fat people, plenty of old stoner though.

Wrong.

Stop trying to justify your smoking. YOU are the one that is ignorant if you thinking smoking is anything other than unhealthy. Don't bring up other health issues to try and move the spotlight off smoking. Its not a competition to see what kills you faster. Either way, you are killing yourself. Enjoy cancer you fool.

Originally Posted by Loaf

I could just imagine some younger people who are now trying to have an LD by getting stoned, thanks to a bunch of pot heads. Someone needs to step in an disagree. Wouldn't want people to get the wrong idea.

Ok, but....
That is not the way to do it. People are going to laugh at you when you come in acting all righteous or just simply say "you addicted stoners are teh moronz"

Originally Posted by slash112

Could I just warn you guys. I have read from a few places that weed lowers your blood serotonin levels.

This can do bad shit to your sleep. It makes you sleep heavier, which is no good for certain techniques.

I'm just letting you know... I won't interfere with your illegal induction method.

Take a note from Slash, Loaf. This is the way to do it. Bring in some evidence (which I don't actually know is true, but at least he's making an effort) instead of a shitty opinion which doesn't help anyone.

Originally Posted by katielovestrees

You're supposed to be at least 15 to join this forum, and if a 15-year-old hasn't tried pot already, odds are they're not gonna do it for this reason alone without giving it a little bit of rational thought initially....

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly! Can't use the "oh won't somebody PLEEASE think of the children" line on this forum Loaf.

Originally Posted by Loaf

Inhaling burning ash in any form is not healthy.

I'll just answer this with a quote

Originally Posted by boogaloojay

By the way, if your inhaling ashes you're doing it wrong. No wonder you don't like it.

Originally Posted by Loaf

Because unlike you addicted stoners, I can stop eating bad foods or burn it off in days.

Hey I can burn a joint off in 5 minutes!!!!
But seriously, burning that fat off doesn't mean it's not bad for you. Fatty foods clog up your arteries too.

Originally Posted by Loaf

You smoke something, you get addicted to it.

Wrong. Nobody with an IQ above 70 still believes Cannabis is addictive.

Originally Posted by Loaf

You shared your poison with everyone else.

What? When? When did I ever share my poison with somebody else? I guess you're referring to second hand smoke All the potentially harmful things contained in Cannabis are inhaled in to my lungs. Don't worry you won't get high from inhaling a particle of pot smoke.

Originally Posted by Loaf

Your clothes stink of smoke.

O RLY!?
If you're one of the 5 people in the world who don't think Cannabis is the single greatest smell on Earth, don't hang around people who smoke Cannabis. Easy enough right?

Originally Posted by Loaf

You damage your body more than eating one too many cream cakes would do. So by all means, suck in that poison. I don't give a shit if you die. Enjoy it. I could eat plenty of shit and I wouldn't cause as much harm as breathing in pot. Pot will fuck your brain up. Fatty foods wont.

Fatty foods DO fuck up your brain. They makes you slow and tired and completely lacking in energy because you're too fat, basically. You also can't fight off diseases as easily and are WAY more likely to die of a heart attack or stroke; Two things which Cannabis actually PREVENTS you from getting, because it widens the arteries.
Can you prove that Cannabis does more damage than cream cakes? No, you can't, it's just your uninformed, hateful and sheeple belief.

Originally Posted by Loaf

Wrong.

Oh, 'wrong' hey?
Again, another VERY constructive post. A+, A+.

Originally Posted by Loaf

Stop trying to justify your smoking. YOU are the one that is ignorant if you thinking smoking is anything other than unhealthy. Don't bring up other health issues to try and move the spotlight off smoking. Its not a competition to see what kills you faster. Either way, you are killing yourself. Enjoy cancer you fool.

Cannabis also hasn't been shown to cause Cancer. In fact, the largest study EVER done (600,000 people) proved that those who smoked Cannabis had ZERO increased risk of cancer compared to those who didn't smoke anything. And people who smoked Cannabis and Cigarettes still had no increased risk of Cancer compared to non-smokers. Indicating that Cannabis probably has some ANTI-cancerous properties!

Plus, smoking is not necessary, one can eat it or vaporize it.

Originally Posted by tommo

Ok, but....
That is not the way to do it. People are going to laugh at you when you come in acting all righteous or just simply say "you addicted stoners are teh moronz"



Take a note from Slash, Loaf. This is the way to do it. Bring in some evidence (which I don't actually know is true, but at least he's making an effort) instead of a shitty opinion which doesn't help anyone.


Exactly. Exactly. Exactly! Can't use the "oh won't somebody PLEEASE think of the children" line on this forum Loaf.


I'll just answer this with a quote


Hey I can burn a joint off in 5 minutes!!!!
But seriously, burning that fat off doesn't mean it's not bad for you. Fatty foods clog up your arteries too.


Wrong. Nobody with an IQ above 70 still believes Cannabis is addictive.

What? When? When did I ever share my poison with somebody else? I guess you're referring to second hand smoke All the potentially harmful things contained in Cannabis are inhaled in to my lungs. Don't worry you won't get high from inhaling a particle of pot smoke.

O RLY!?
If you're one of the 5 people in the world who don't think Cannabis is the single greatest smell on Earth, don't hang around people who smoke Cannabis. Easy enough right?

Fatty foods DO fuck up your brain. They makes you slow and tired and completely lacking in energy because you're too fat, basically. You also can't fight off diseases as easily and are WAY more likely to die of a heart attack or stroke; Two things which Cannabis actually PREVENTS you from getting, because it widens the arteries.
Can you prove that Cannabis does more damage than cream cakes? No, you can't, it's just your uninformed, hateful and sheeple belief.


Oh, 'wrong' hey?
Again, another VERY constructive post. A+, A+.


Cannabis also hasn't been shown to cause Cancer. In fact, the largest study EVER done (600,000 people) proved that those who smoked Cannabis had ZERO increased risk of cancer compared to those who didn't smoke anything. And people who smoked Cannabis and Cigarettes still had no increased risk of Cancer compared to non-smokers. Indicating that Cannabis probably has some ANTI-cancerous properties!

Plus, smoking is not necessary, one can eat it or vaporize it.

Thank god it was you and not me that had to write that up. I can't believe some people think weed makes you a dumbass. If you're a dumbass then you were before you started smoking and nothing will change if you stop.

p.s. Weeds better then fat, you can't get high off fat. jk, to each his own. I've never forced anyone to smoke. I ask once and if their not interested their not getting any. I smoke, watch some movies and eat cookies (yeah, fatty ones) and then go to bed. What harm does it do? If people don't care what we do to ourselves then why do they always try and tell us the dangers??

Edit: To try and keep this on topic, I don't recommend smoking weed to LD. It may work for some people but I think for the majority it just blocks dreams out including myself.

Originally Posted by Boogaloojay

Funny you don't see many old fat people, plenty of old stoner though. Strange how that works. For your information most people can stop smoking whenever they want to. It's not mentally addicting at all and that's a fact. Obviously I'll smoke when I get more but I'm not suffering at all by not smoking. Unlike cigs and alcohol, which by the way I do neither. You really think people have died from smoking weed? Not nearly as many as cigs. It's not healthy because it's still smoke but you really think it's as harmful as you say it is you either have a personal vendetta or you're just ignorant.

Are you being serious, marijuana has tremendous addiction potential. Trust me I sold literally tons of weed for 8+ years. I also sold a lot of cocaine and honestly, in terms of addiction, most the pot heads were nearly as bad as the coke heads.

Okay, so obviously I was basing my facts on other forms of smoking, but regardless of what I posted the point still remains. I still feel that using pot to make yourself lucid is just stupid, and it just sounds like another excuse to take more pot.

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Originally Posted by tommo

Cannabis also hasn't been shown to cause Cancer. In fact, the largest study EVER done (600,000 people) proved that those who smoked Cannabis had ZERO increased risk of cancer compared to those who didn't smoke anything. And people who smoked Cannabis and Cigarettes still had no increased risk of Cancer compared to non-smokers. Indicating that Cannabis probably has some ANTI-cancerous properties!

You got a reference for this study ?

Originally Posted by Loaf

Not worth it. I'd rather stop lucid dreaming all together than use this method.

Yes, I also agree. Leave this method to the friggin stoners.

Originally Posted by Loaf

Okay, so obviously I was basing my facts on other forms of smoking, but regardless of what I posted the point still remains. I still feel that using pot to make yourself lucid is just stupid, and it just sounds like another excuse to take more pot.

Absolutely. I've seen many people go from straight edge to pot head and many times I see their life spiral downwards, they lose motivation, grades drop, start slacking at work, start neglecting their partner, stop exercising, etc...

I have also seen the exact opposite happen, but the point is marijuana can potentially have devastating negative effects on a persons life, so it should not be taken lightly.

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

Are you being serious, marijuana has tremendous addiction potential. Trust me I sold literally tons of weed for 8+ years. I also sold a lot of cocaine and honestly, in terms of addiction, most the pot heads were nearly as bad as the coke heads.

Are you being serious? Just look it up. There is not a single addictive chemical in there. Mental addiction isn't the same as phyical addiction. I think in my earlier post I accidentally said it isn't mentally addicting, I meant to say phyically.

Wanting to smoke more doesn't mean your addicted to it. It mean you like it. It's not a big deal when you have none. Try quitting smoking and you'll be sick. Try stop using coke and you'll be sick. Try stopping alcohol and you'll be sick. Try to stop smoking weed and the worst that will happen is your bored for a day and you might have a hard time eating and sleeping for one to two days.

Comparing weed to coke and harder drugs is the dumbest thing I've heard in a long while. I wouldn't be bragging about selling something that carries 20 years behind bars if you're caught. Not judging, I just hope you arn't as open with people face to face. I doubt you sold TONS of weed, moving a pound in a week is damn good so that doesn't add up but thats a conversation for another forum.

You may have had people buying weed like crazy but bottom line is when these people couldn't get it they weren't bed ridden with sickness from the with-drawals.

And loaf, I already said that I don't recommend it for LDing so if your so blind or biased that you can't follow a sentence then maybe you should move on to another thread? I don't need an excuse for smoking and I sure as HELL don't need to justify my own choices to you. Just remember, I hate you ( Mr. High and mighty) just as much as you hate me ( stoner). The difference is you dislike me because me because I smoke. In other words you judged me based on my smoking. I dislike you not because of you're anti-weed mentality, it's your right, but because you seem to think it's your duty to inform everyone else the dangers of it. I can assure you that you will not be the straw that breaks the camels back on whether someone smokes or not.

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

Absolutely. I've seen many people go from straight edge to pot head and many times I see their life spiral downwards, they lose motivation, grades drop, start slacking at work, start neglecting their partner, stop exercising, etc...

I have also seen the exact opposite happen, but the point is marijuana can potentially have devastating negative effects on a persons life, so it should not be taken lightly.

I can at least agree with the second half of your post. Some people are just idiots and shouldn't smoke. I'm not saying that it's something that is completely risk free, it's just that people should be allowed to do what they want with their own bodies. Hell, if you sold then people putting things in their body is what made your good money I bet.

Originally Posted by Boogaloojay

Just remember, I hate you ( Mr. High and mighty) just as much as you hate me ( stoner). The difference is you dislike me because me because I smoke. In other words you judged me based on my smoking.

I don't hate you.
I don't judge you for being a smoker. I judge you for trying to make smoking sound acceptable.

Smoking is harmful to the lungs. So extract the THC from the plant and take it directly... Solves the harmful part.

The drug is NOT addictive, the habits of putting the joint in ones mouth and inhaling might become so... (probably not as that i've smoked weed for ten years now and i'm still not fond of having to smoke it, i love directly taking it)... The idea that people's live's are ruined because of the drug is ridiculous! FUCKING RIDICULOUS! It's those people's problem with self reliance and willpower! they were probably hanging on by a thread in there "better" live's and the pot gave them a sudden release from the stress and they became addicted to that release and not the herb, they didn't know how to handle the gift the plant provided to them. Those people usually have the same problems with video games and women... trust me... I was one of them for about two years, then i had a son and wised the fuck up! i agree weed is not for everyone, but it's not for anyone to say who it's not/or is for.... it's the persons choice solely.If that persons life is ruined because of it, then that's there choice to live a shitty life, you don't have to live it for them. Instead of bashing the plant how about just advising that if it isn't used responsibly then it can cause harm in your life, that's the real way to make an impact on someone who's thinking about using it....

Marijuana, consumed for the abilities and gifts it has to offer is not a devil, it is not an evil, anything abused and used irresponsibly can lead to harm in ones life.... this argument could be waged about anything... but what is in the spotlight of evil is Marijuana and not children receiving drivers licenses at too little driving experience, or religious societies belittling those they find lacking in their god's eyes, or even governments neglecting their own. Instead we're waging war against a plant that sprung forth from the earth naturally that helps some of us deal with these twisted, side fucked screwballs in the human populous (not intended to be directed at anyone solely that posted against pot in this forum).

Back to topic: Weed gives me 200% better LD's after i binge smoke for about a month straight... but i don't recommend that as a technique to be taken up, because it can be very costly, and you may gain some serious weight from binge smoking... Oh and i sold (don't now) for a long time too, not TONS lol but i sold alot, payed for my tv, gamesystem, couch, chair, tons of food, my car and my wife's car... but the pot heads didn't bug me when i didn't have any pot, it was the cokeheads calling me every three hours bitching at me because i needed to get my life together and be a full time dealer. The potheads were like "hmm, aight i'll see you later at poker night bra, take care man love ya"....

I think in my earlier post I accidentally said it isn't mentally addicting, I meant to say phyically.

No prob, I'll cut ya some slack since your probably high.
I saw several studies supporting that marijuana lacks physically addictive properties over 10 years ago. This is good in many ways, only thing is that the mind controls everything, and if the mental addiction is strong enough, it can produce withdrawal symptoms that rival that of physically addictive drugs.

Try to stop smoking weed and the worst that will happen is your bored for a day and you might have a hard time eating and sleeping for one to two days.

This may be your own and many others experience, it is definitely not everyones. I have seen many people experience a wide variety of physical symptoms from marijuana withdrawal, do a search, there are many online reports. I even had a friend who consistently started to vomit or dry heave when he ran out of weed for more than a few days.

Comparing weed to coke and harder drugs is the dumbest thing I've heard in a long while. I wouldn't be bragging about selling something that carries 20 years behind bars if you're caught. Not judging, I just hope you arn't as open with people face to face. I doubt you sold TONS of weed, moving a pound in a week is damn good so that doesn't add up but thats a conversation for another forum.

I agree that marijuana is extremely unique, for one THC has nearly no toxicity and is not even an alkaloid, two things that completely set it apart from nearly every other drug on the planet. At the same time, its an addictive drug that gets you high and has side effects, this makes it very comparable to harder street drugs.

Not really worried about getting locked up for dealing drugs years ago. You are right though, doing the math now I probably sold a little less than 500lbs in about 8 years, but if you count the amount of weed I smoked myself and with others then I don't even want to know that number.

You may have had people buying weed like crazy but bottom line is when these people couldn't get it they weren't bed ridden with sickness from the with-drawals.

I actually experienced the exact opposite, pot heads seem to fiend nearly as hard as any drug addict, I would get calls at all hours from stoners begging me to sell them weed, their state of mind and story would be just as desperate and anxiety ridden as my cocaine clients.

The only difference was the stoners were a little better at acting like its not a big deal, probably because in their mind they are in denial that they are truly addicted.

Just remember, I hate you ( Mr. High and mighty) just as much as you hate me ( stoner).

No reason to bring hate into this, its just a debate. I love everyone on this forum.

Loaf have you heard of a vape? also you can cook with it so you dont even need to smoke to get high. The stuff is a lot safer than cigs and alochol. Also ALOT of people smoke soap bar (hashish mixed with all kinds of things..(milk powder, engine oil, cooking oil, glass, sand the list goes on and on) Also even buds can be sprayed with many things to make them weight more. This maybe why they vomited or suffered withdrawals.

I dont think ive had a proper lucid dream before so cant comment on that part. Im a newbie to lucid dreams :p