Thread: Cannabis-Induced-Lucid-Dreaming ( OH YEA )

Yeah okay so I am gonna leave this.
I've gotten so tied up in this shit I've forgotten that I too hate it when people try and force their beliefs on you and start telling you what you should and shouldn't be doing.
I still dislike the use of pot, but not enough to bitch about it. Even if I did go on its not going to do much else than cause repetitive arguments.

I wasn't even talking to you in the first place. Don't be a mini-mod. If Loaf feels that I have used hate or race slurs towards him and feels he needs to send a complaint than he can do so and I will happily be warned or banned

Yea exactly. Thanks Loaf. Anyways.. not sure if this topic is salvageable.. BUT hopefully it is

While I appreciate lucid4sho's comments, I don't care so much about Motumz "hate". Its pretty common on the net.
Although I dunno if thats the kind of way you should treat members anyway.

Originally Posted by Motumz

I wasn't even talking to you in the first place. Don't be a mini-mod. If Loaf feels that I have used hate or race slurs towards him and feels he needs to send a complaint than he can do so and I will happily be warned or banned

Yea exactly. Thanks Loaf. Anyways.. not sure if this topic is salvageable.. BUT hopefully it is

The whole point of slurs is that they are generalized and they insult a group of people even when its directed at one person.

well said loaf, I've made all the points i intended to in this thread so its time a unsubscribe too. see yall in the next pot debate lol.

I think people just need to get over the fact pot is in a way harmful but what isnt? choose what you want to do and do it.

On-topic: I quit smoking now so I'm not going to be able to experiment anymore, but I've been smoking and "LDing" (in a certain sense) for well over 4 years, and in most cases I found it killed all recall. Smoking weed has always put me in a very deep, trance-like sleep with little dreams.

Semi off-topic: Loaf,

I judge you for trying to make smoking sound acceptable.

Why wouldn't it be acceptable? What makes it unacceptable? What or who defines what is acceptable and what isn't? I'm guessing your "acceptable" is defined by society. That's quite unfortunate, because lots of things that are socially acceptable or unacceptable should actually be the other way around. Why is alcohol acceptable, but smoking - and I'm talking about purely smoking weed, not smoking several cigarettes on a daily, if not hourly basis - which is not as harmful for you, isn't? Weed was made "unacceptable" in the day purely for economical and political reasons, and the unacceptability has stuck ever since (look in the marijuana topic in ED).

I can understand some people despise the sense of smoke hanging around them (I personally despise tobacco smoke, despite having smoked cannabis mixed with tobacco for years), but that's something different from "making smoking sound acceptable". It's a shame people are so narrow-minded, really.

Originally Posted by TweaK

Why wouldn't it be acceptable? What makes it unacceptable? What or who defines what is acceptable and what isn't? I'm guessing your "acceptable" is defined by society. That's quite unfortunate, because lots of things that are socially acceptable or unacceptable should actually be the other way around. Why is alcohol acceptable, but smoking - and I'm talking about purely smoking weed, not smoking several cigarettes on a daily, if not hourly basis - which is not as harmful for you, isn't? Weed was made "unacceptable" in the day purely for economical and political reasons, and the unacceptability has stuck ever since (look in the marijuana topic in ED).

very good point Tweak, very correct.

I'm just finding it a bit off that the argument has started to imply taking pot is just as fine as not taking pot.

And smoking Cannabis should be just as acceptable as not smoking it. We're not saying it's more acceptable, we;re saying it doesn't matter.
As for being 'fine'.... It is. On a health basis, it's probably better to smoke weed than to not for some people. For example stress is the single biggest killer, Cannabis relieves stress. So it would make you live longer if you smoke it to relax, if you get stressed out too easily.

So far the only PROVEN "bad" side effect of Cannabis is memory loss. Which can actually be GOOD for PTSD etc. Plus you just forget all the shit that doesn't matter. I think it was Joe Rogan who said "you don't need to remember the face of every person on the train on your way to work". Or random useless statistics etc.

I actually just realised that. Pot does make me loose SOME memory. But when I think hard, the things I generally forgot about, was all useless shit.

Also, poeple need to understand what Tommo said.. "And smoking Cannabis should be just as acceptable as not smoking it. We're not saying it's more acceptable, we're saying it doesn't matter."

The people against pot in this topic are not getting those 2 sentences through their head. Maybe they just don't want to accept it?..

Originally Posted by Motumz

The people against pot in this topic are not getting those 2 sentences through their head. Maybe they just don't want to accept it?..

Probably don't want to lol. If it's just that they don't want to, those people won't change with reason either, they'll only change when they decide to for whatever reason (like the need it for some medical condition) or when the majority opinion changes.

Originally Posted by tommo

Probably don't want to lol. If it's just that they don't want to, those people won't change with reason either, they'll only change when they decide to for whatever reason (like the need it for some medical condition) or when the majority opinion changes.

Exactly!


But back on subject haha, I find when I pass out instead of 'going to sleep, or going to bed', I don't remember my dreams. And when I get blazed at night, I usually pass out haha.

So I was thinking, maybe if I get high, I just go to bed. Instead of passing out randomly. I'll have to test sometime this week. Maybe it will work? I'm guessing it would work best if you don't get blazed. I was thinking just a baby high, then go to sleep.

I'll post my results later this week

Usually what works for me is just a little bit just before bed or get mildly stoned a couple hours before, so it's just wearing off as you go to sleep and you're still really relaxed and sleep deeply.
I find if I get really blazed right before goin to sleep (which I never do anymore) I have a restless sleep and wake up sweatin' my ass off. Maybe it's just Sativa though, but I don't really have a choice in what strain I smoke lol so it's a gamble really.

Ok I just tried it last night. I fell asleep within 5 minutes of laying down. I remember 2 extremely vivid dreams.

I smoked around 6. I got pretty damn high. The high lasted 10 minutes before I went to bed. I went to bed at 10.

Of course, I need to test somemore, and I will. I will try getting fairly buzzed or just a baby high tonight and see what happens.


Also, @Tommo, Is Sativa the the other "type" of pot that growns in South America that actually is alot more hulucinaginic? I just heard about it yesterday, but as I said.. I was stoned and can't exactly remember the name. But what I remember is it can't really grow up here in America. Too dry. But it makes you trip alot more.

Anyone know what that is? Or am I just completely mistaken haha?

Haha well I dunno about south america. I know Africa has some extremely potent Sativa's. 100% landrace Sativa's. And yes they are VERY hallucinogenic.
I personally hate them because they make me paranoid though. I'd love to love it but I can't haha.
But Sativa and Indica are BOTH grown all over the world. They aren't confined to certain areas at all. Especially since the introduction of indoor hydroponics.
But most weed you get on the street now is gonna be a mix of Sativa and Indica. But there's probably actually MORE percentage of Sativa in almost every country because it grows way bigger plants than Indica and thus produces more bud for the black market dealers.

So yeah to sum up Sativa can grow in America, even outdoors. Most of the bud you buy will probably be like 80% Sativa, 20% Indica. That's why all these old people who smoked weed once and now smoke it again out of the blue say it's so strong. Coz it's not such a relaxing stone anymore, it's more an energizing, trippy high. Which makes some people paranoid. We need to get Indica's back in to the black market. Or just legalise so people can choose what they want.

Omg dude! I knew I wasn't crazy! I remember when I had retarded chill with friends high. And over time I am going on mini trips! On Monday I was walking through a park with a friend and I could of sworn I was on another planet. And then like 2 weeks ago, I thought my friend Kyle had a mouse head.. so I slapped him lol.

But in my opinion I like Sativa. It actually does the opposite. I am quite calm. Not paranoid at all. And even when I'm paranoid, I'm pretty calm about it.

But yea, they just need to legalize pot all together haha. Not that I really care, I still smoke alot anyways. But it would be nice to buy it in a store.


Haha, I want to find some 100% landrace Sativa!

Check youtube for the greenhouse seed co south africa sativa.
They go to different countries to get good seeds. IT shows 100% sativa landrace.
I don't like that company though they're arseholes so don't buy from them lol You'll see what I mean if you watch the vid the one main guy is a cunt to the natives.

But anyway yeah Sativa almost mimics schizophrenia temporarily. So I think it wouldn't be wise to smoke for people with anxiety or a family member who has schizophrenia. Otherwise it's perfectly fine and fun. They actually have done studies with, you know that illusions with a mask of Einstein that looks like it's pointing outward from both sides? Schizophrenics actually see it how it really is, one side in and one side out, and so do people who are high lol There's a few other things like that as well.

Here it is.
Here's the Malawi gold one 5 parts

Personally I want to go to Kazakhstan and get basically the heirloom Cannabis. The first Cannabis strain as far as scientists have found out.
Pure, non bred herb mmmm....

EDIT: Just have to add this lol it's so cooooool

Originally Posted by tommo

Check youtube for the greenhouse seed co south africa sativa.
They go to different countries to get good seeds. IT shows 100% sativa landrace.
I don't like that company though they're arseholes so don't buy from them lol You'll see what I mean if you watch the vid the one main guy is a cunt to the natives.

But anyway yeah Sativa almost mimics schizophrenia temporarily. So I think it wouldn't be wise to smoke for people with anxiety or a family member who has schizophrenia. Otherwise it's perfectly fine and fun. They actually have done studies with, you know that illusions with a mask of Einstein that looks like it's pointing outward from both sides? Schizophrenics actually see it how it really is, one side in and one side out, and so do people who are high lol There's a few other things like that as well.

Here it is.
Here's the Malawi gold one 5 parts

Personally I want to go to Kazakhstan and get basically the heirloom Cannabis. The first Cannabis strain as far as scientists have found out.
Pure, non bred herb mmmm....

The purenesss! ahhhh, must have!

But I think, can't really remember, but there is Schizophrenics and Bipolars in my family. Just uncles so far though. If I were to get a mental disorder, would it have already shown up? Or is Sativa risky for me? I really wouldn't say it would, because I've done trippy shit that would blow my mind way more than weed would. But yea, any opinions?


LMAO the bobcat one! That is sooo creepy! Imagine the robber's face when he is sneaking around a house full of those plates hahaha.

Originally Posted by Motumz

The purenesss! ahhhh, must have!

But I think, can't really remember, but there is Schizophrenics and Bipolars in my family. Just uncles so far though. If I were to get a mental disorder, would it have already shown up? Or is Sativa risky for me? I really wouldn't say it would, because I've done trippy shit that would blow my mind way more than weed would. But yea, any opinions?


LMAO the bobcat one! That is sooo creepy! Imagine the robber's face when he is sneaking around a house full of those plates hahaha.

HAHAHAHA.

Um well, are those uncles blood related? or families spouses?
Yeah it depends, it's just that the risk is heightened going by probability. But the chances are still pretty low of you having schizophrenia anyway.
And it won't CAUSE schizophrenia, it might just make it worse.
How old are you? Coz usually it would come out between the ages of 18 - 30.

Also I'll just add, IMO it's not the trippyness of the substance, it's just the mind-state. As I pointed out stoned people's perception is similar to schizophrenics. But people on mushrooms or LSD or something have a completely different mind state to schizophrenics. So IMO it's just that schizophrenics who smoke weed, are sort of just re-inforcing that mind state in a way. It's just my theory, but its been proven Cannabis doesn't CAUSE schizophrenia anyway. And Cannabis Indica actually helps reduce the symptoms and sometimes even completely gets rid of schizophrenia.

Yes, blood related. My dad's brothers. So far 2 of his 3 brothers are Schizophrenics and or Bipolar.

Also, I'm 16. Going to be 17 in 2 months.

Hm ok, Well since your dad isn't you should be ok. You were probably lucky enough to get the good genes lol
Don't stress or anything since the chances are minimal, just if you start to notice strange things while you're not high I'd stop smoking.

Originally Posted by tommo

Hm ok, Well since your dad isn't you should be ok. You were probably lucky enough to get the good genes lol
Don't stress or anything since the chances are minimal, just if you start to notice strange things while you're not high I'd stop smoking.

Positive Symptoms: Positive symptoms of schizophrenia are those symptoms that involve an excess of normal bodily functions. For instance, if you are schizophrenic your senses may operate at a heightened and excessive state. Positive signs of schizophrenia include delusions, or beliefs that have no basis in reality. You may feel persecuted (paranoid delusions), you may feel as if the television or radio is talking directly to you (delusions of references), you may hold false beliefs about your physical state (somatic delusions) or you may feel that you have special abilities or powers (delusions of grandeur).

Many schizophrenics also experience hallucinations due to overactive senses. You may see things that aren't really there, you may hear people talking to you, and you may even be able to smell, touch, and taste things that other people can't. These hallucinations may be quite scary for both the schizophrenic and for family and friends.

Disorganized Symptoms: Disorganized symptoms are those symptoms that exhibit the confusion caused within the brain. Often, a schizophrenic will have trouble maintaining a conversation, may engage in unpredictable behaviors, or may act bizarrely in certain situations. People with schizophrenia also have difficulty achieving goals or acting with any purpose. For example, schizophrenics may hold unusual poses for extended periods of time.

Got that off of a site. That's kinda of weird because it almost seems like marijuana mimics those symptoms (to a lesser extent). Especially the positive symptoms.

So basically, if I start to feel high or somewhat like a high when I'm completely sober, I should be worried?

Also, is there any way I can get Sative or Indica? Like pure, or close to it? Because I wouldn't always want to be trippin' ya know? Sometimes I just want to chill and melt into my couch Is the only way to really know what you are buying is to go to a state that sells it. Such as California, and buy it in a dispensary??

Originally Posted by Motumz

Got that off of a site. That's kinda of weird because it almost seems like marijuana mimics those symptoms (to a lesser extent). Especially the positive symptoms.

Yeah, the thing is though, that the Cannabis high is temporary, so you can get positive things out of it. Whereas for a schizophrenic they are like that all the time so they can't come back to a 'normal' state and think about what they experienced 'straight'. Unless of course they take meds etc.

Originally Posted by Motumz

So basically, if I start to feel high or somewhat like a high when I'm completely sober, I should be worried?

Don't be worried. That's counter productive. Don't even worry about it now, it's pointless. Don't even think about it, just if you do experience something like that suddenly, think about seeing a psychiatrist. But again, it;s very unlikely since you enjoy the Sativa high. Most soon-to-be schizophrenics hate the Sativa high afaik.

Originally Posted by Motumz

Also, is there any way I can get Sative or Indica? Like pure, or close to it? Because I wouldn't always want to be trippin' ya know? Sometimes I just want to chill and melt into my couch Is the only way to really know what you are buying is to go to a state that sells it. Such as California, and buy it in a dispensary??

Yeah that's the only way, go to a state that has medical marijuana (check the NORML website, there's 14 states) and go to a doctor who will prescribe it, there's a site to find those doctors too lol
Otherwise buy seeds off the net, and overgrow the government!

Originally Posted by tommo

Yeah, the thing is though, that the Cannabis high is temporary, so you can get positive things out of it. Whereas for a schizophrenic they are like that all the time so they can't come back to a 'normal' state and think about what they experienced 'straight'. Unless of course they take meds etc.


Don't be worried. That's counter productive. Don't even worry about it now, it's pointless. Don't even think about it, just if you do experience something like that suddenly, think about seeing a psychiatrist. But again, it;s very unlikely since you enjoy the Sativa high. Most soon-to-be schizophrenics hate the Sativa high afaik.


Yeah that's the only way, go to a state that has medical marijuana (check the NORML website, there's 14 states) and go to a doctor who will prescribe it, there's a site to find those doctors too lol
Otherwise buy seeds off the net, and overgrow the government!

Haha I'll probably have to wait until I'm 18 though to even think about going to another state and getting a prescription Ohhh well, I guess I'll just try to find a hookup who knows exactly what he sells.

Hahaha and "there's a site to find those doctors too lol"


But thanks a ton Tommo. You have given me soooooooo much help since I've pretty much joined!

Haha, np mate glad to help. Hope you find that hookup.