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      intense prolonged deja vu and cannabis

      hey everyone,

      during the past few weeks i have been experiencing strange episodes where i feel as if i have seen the events happening around me in a previous dream.

      the first time it happened was when i was at a party and i was offered some cannabis. i accepted and i was soon extremely inebriated and having fleeting feelings of deja vu.
      later on, when i sat down at a table, i started having an intense feeling of recognition of everything i was seeing and everything people were saying.
      soon it reached the point where i could feel as if i almost knew what was going to happen next, and i could (at least it felt like i could) recall thoughts i had had about the dream and the people in it.
      i found this extremely distressing as, although i have used cannabis previously, nothing like this has ever happened.
      at the time i was trying to work out what was happening and the significance of it.
      it was so intense that it felt as if i had definitely dreamed everything that had happened before, and i could even recall my thoughts about the dream after i had woken up.

      since then similar episodes have occurred when i smoke cannabis, however none of them were anywhere near as intense as the first. it has even reached the point where i have had similar but very fleeting feelings when i have been completely sober (almost like deja vu just that it is extremely visual and related to my surroundings as opposed to some action happening).

      here are the conclusions that i have reached. either the events i witnessed were paranormal (me having dreamed the future), had some paranormal significance (the first time it happened i found it impossible to rule this conclusion out as the episode had not ended, and therefore i thought that if it was a warning and/or act of some higher power then the important part was yet to come), or it was an effect of the drug (as a result i am experiencing these feelings and/or have some form of mental illness).

      have any of you ever experienced feelings similar to this or know of anything like this happening? i am genuinely afraid for my mental health, and any thoughts or comments would be greatly appreciated.

      ps. if this would be better suited in a different forum then i apologise. i just thought i needed the help of some scientists

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      I've had this same experience yesterday. I smoked way too much weed (in my tolerance) and i had a green out. For me, a green out makes me lose my vision. I also lose my sense of balance, but i can still hear, so I would have to sit for about 5 mins or so before my vision comes back. These "green outs" have happened a total of 2 times. My brother also had this experience a few times. This time around, I was leaving to go home with my friend after the green out. I told him that I felt like I dreamed about what was happening right now...we drove home, and all that time, I felt like most of the things that happened, I dreamed about before. This lasted till I was in my bedroom and it faded away.

      I think this is more related to dejavu. I read somewhere that there's a link between short term and long term memory that triggers this effect. I know for a fact that my short term memory cannot put enough information into long term memory when I smoke weed. This is a side-effect I've come to accept. I think things return to normal after a sufficient tolerance is built up (at least that's what I've heard from my long term weed smoking friends). I feel like the side-effect isn't always apparant.

      Either way, the experience of dejavu/feeling like you're in a dream is very nice . At some point during what was happening, I felt like one of my human instruments was communicating with another human instrument in another dimension/instrument of perception within the same dimension, and this awareness was being filtered to my human instrument through my Quantum Presence/Higher Self/Soul. I honestly think that you shouldn't stress out about it, because the belief I had from that experience was beneficial. I've heard that the heart receives precognitive impressions from future environments. Perhaps this was translated and understood by the ego personality (my guess). Lately I've been remembering my dreams again, (finally yay!) so it's about time I jump back into trying to Lucid dream :]. In a sense, I ended up in this forum for this purpose

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      Not to completely dismiss your first theory, but I'm not convinced it's paranormal. I suffered this once when I took LSD, and it was literally to the point that I felt as though I were predicting all of the proceeding events. I even came to the conclusion that I had gotten stuck in a time-loop this effect was so convincing. I realized afterwards that that obviously wasn't the case, and that effects like these are highly common with psychedelics. This is my main evidence for saying that it was probably caused by the drug, though normal feelings of deja vu are not an indicator of poor mental health as far as I know. Cannabis doesn't have the same direct mode of action as 5-HT2A agonist hallucinogens, yet can sometimes observe similar effects. I've yet to read anything demonstrating the same over-stimulation and decoupling of cortical feedback loops in the multi-modal sensory convergence areas in the pre-frontal cortex (a read of this article, specifically the section labeled "The Corticocortical Feedback Loops", posted by cmind at sometime or another, might give you a little more insight on the subject), but that doesn't mean it can't or does not happen--or that a similar effect can't be caused by a totally different, or even similar yet somewhat different mechanism.

      I personally haven't really experienced any heightened feelings of deja vu or any more often than usual from smoking marijuana, but I see no reason why it couldn't cause such an effect.

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      I've never experienced this with weed, LSD, mushrooms nor mescalin

      But on drugs like Salvia and DMT, deja vu happens every single time. It's one of the first sensations you feel as you cross over. My conclusion was that we are submerged in a sort of illusion on this realm and that we are reconnecting with our immense self. This reconnection with the part of our self that we feel severed from here gives us a feeling like we ought to be somewhere new, but we're not. We're back in some place that is actually very familiar, we just forgot about it.
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      To elaborate on my experience, being able to predict what was going to happen, what I was going to see next, and what would be said next, I came to the conclusion that somewhere along the line my brain had lost the ability to keep me in present reality at that time and my consciousness was free floating in memory and somehow treating it as reality. Or, at some point somehow I had gotten stuck in a physical time loop beyond normal human comprehension and I could not determine which loop I was on (as in 12th, 72nd, 13904th, etc.) or if I was even maintaining consciousness as fluidly as I was experiencing or if I was perhaps jumping from one loop to the other seamlessly in regards to perception. The only thing I knew was that it had all happened before. It didn't help that all I had at my disposal was working memory and even it was nearly beyond working. I had no short term memory or long term memory at all, things that I had come to know were understood, not remembered. That being said, I was living as in-the-moment as I could ever imagine the word meaning.

      Just a note, that was during my peak. All the "confusion", as I'd like to call it, subsided as I plateaued.

      I've only experienced this once from acid, and neither of my tripping buddies experienced it for themselves either--just me. It was the hardest I've ever tripped, and I've tripped on acid 6 times, shrooms once. Not all that many times, but enough to have an idea of how I'll react. Basically, the deja vu you and I experienced, assuming yours was as strong as mine, or mine as strong as yours, definitely can happen, just how often probably depends on the individual.

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      I have noticed time loss on other drugs but it didn't give me the same deja vu sensation that I'm referring to with dmt and salvia. The sensation I got was very different from what you described, snoop, which is why I have trouble rationalizing it that way and feel more comfortable rationalizing deja vu as the sensation we get when we trick ourselves into letting go of the constructs of ourselves and reconnect with our more immense being.

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      What exactly do you mean? I guess what I'm really asking is, could you just try and go further into detail to the best of your abilities? What I'm referring to deja vu was legitimately more like predicting the future, having been in the situation several times before. In sobriety it's more like a subtle yet profound feeling that I've witnessed what has just unfolded before somewhere. That acid trip was more like just going bonkers insane. What I really think happened on a down to earth level was that I was stuck having the deja vu feeling I feel for usually no longer than a second or two in sobriety, for the entirety of my peak, only the feeling was amplified exponentially. I think I was experiencing things so quickly and fully that I was simultaneously remembering and experiencing something for the first time, or perhaps I was experiencing slowly but thinking quickly or something. Regardless it was convincing, it wasn't even a question to me... I had experienced what I was experiencing at any given moment sometime before.

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      I've had acid trips where I was essentially stuck in a moment of infinity, but I wouldn't call it a time-loop. It felt more like time had lost its purpose for me, and with it I was able to anticipate the future and I suppose there was a light sort of feeling of familiarity going on... sort of like a feeling like I had everything planned out.

      But the salvia and DMT gave me this feeling like I had just come home. I don't even know a better way to describe it. It's like, I wasn't breaking through to a level of hallucination, I was returning from a hallucination. It was like, I go there and I knew I'd be there, and I saw all my future trips flash before me. I saw everything I knew I was supposed to see. Everything was in its right place. I suppose it could have been a more intense version of what you described but I still have major trouble calling it a time loop. The feeling didn't feel like I was seeing things I'd seen before. It felt like I was in a place I'd been before.

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      What you described sounds kind of similar to high-dose DXM trips I've had, but less like I had returned home and more like I had already experienced every feeling, every notion, everything... sometime before in my past or otherwise that essentially made everything I experienced thereafter unoriginal in a very strict sense of the word. It wasn't a case where I wasn't seeing or hearing new things, etc., but rather that anything I felt towards such things could not be new. I also got the feeling that I didn't actually have free will, as the thought of one chemical reaction leading to another since conception seemed to strike home. This experience was a lot different than my acid trip though. When I say I was stuck in a time-loop, it was merely the explanation my highly unsober mind came up with to explain how I was predicting the future and that I had already experienced what I was experiencing... but in this case not like the DXM trip. Rather than having experienced any type of feeling I could possibly ever have, it was like I had already experienced the specific moments in time where I was presently at. For DXM it was like I had preset emotions (sort of) and for LSD it was like knowing the future because I had already seen/lived it.

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      To whom are you referring ? T_T. Diagnosing people without an explanation isn't very helpful. Sarcasm isn't too particularly enlightening in this case either.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lyricus123 View Post
      To whom are you referring ? T_T. Diagnosing people without an explanation isn't very helpful. Sarcasm isn't too particularly enlightening in this case either.
      Don't worry, it's just sarcasm.

      Unfortunately, the inability to detect sarcasm is yet another symptom of brain cancer.
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      Other people have posted similar side-effects to smoking weed like mine. Today, i felt dizzy when i got off my bed too quickly, and my eyesight began to kinda get all tunnel vision like, and I became woozy. I realized that I hadn't eaten much for both days and smoked a lot, so those are triggers we want to avoid :]. I also hear that a lot of people don't really have much Lucid Dreams from weed?. I thought it was supposed to be the other way around. Melatonin levels skyrocket when we smoke weed, so I figured that it would be easier to lucid dream. I don't really lucid dream much anyway. I smoke perhaps once every 2 weeks, but I've only had about 5 Lucid dreams max that I can remember...ever, so it's not much facts for me to base on.

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      "..prolonged déjà vu".

      I've got the feeling this was posted before..
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      This is a symptom of drug-induced psychosis and it's a good sign that you should stop using any and all hallucinogens for a good long time.

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      Quote Originally Posted by derb View Post
      the events i witnessed were paranormal (me having dreamed the future)
      Sometimes when I have deja vu I can remember with perfect clarity the precognitive dream of the future experience that triggered the deja vu.

      Please click on the links below, more techniques under investigation to come soon...


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      Have I done my déjà vu joke yet?
      Last edited by Oneiro; 01-24-2012 at 04:11 AM.
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      Quote Originally Posted by cmind View Post
      This is a symptom of drug-induced psychosis and it's a good sign that you should stop using any and all hallucinogens for a good long time.
      This is false, thanks for playing.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Omnis Dei View Post
      But on drugs like Salvia and DMT, deja vu happens every single time. It's one of the first sensations you feel as you cross over.
      So far, so good. I get the same thing. It really weirded me out the first time...

      My conclusion was that we are submerged in a sort of illusion on this realm and that we are reconnecting with our immense self.
      You call this an inference?
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      I am recounting the experience based on more criteria than deja vu alone, it's not inference, it's awareness. You become aware of that truth. Stop acting like everything has to be argued like a math equation, I can't articulate every piece of data that led me to that conclusion.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Omnis Dei View Post
      I am recounting the experience based on more criteria than deja vu alone, it's not inference, it's awareness. You become aware of that truth. Stop acting like everything has to be argued like a math equation, I can't articulate every piece of data that led me to that conclusion.
      Paranoid psychosis

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      You're worse than a hypochondriac with a copy of DSM-VII

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      Quote Originally Posted by Omnis Dei View Post
      You're worse than a hypochondriac with a copy of DSM-VII
      Ok, Jered.

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      I've experienced this deja vu even after I've stopped smoking. It happened when I was 16 and I'm 25 now. When I was 16 it lasted for 9full months. I didn't kno why since I wasn't smoking. I would freak out in class bc I thought me thinking I've dreamed about this or seen all of this before was a result of my lie ending. I've came to the conclusion that's its a chemical imbalance in the brain from the use of strong drugs. Everyone doesn't have these issues bc everyones body is diffrent. Seeing these post help me know I'm not alone and that's there's nothing spiritual about these hallucinations. Y'all take care!

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      This kind of fail...twice in one thread...it boggles the mind
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