Thread: WILD/SP Help?

After about 10 minutes, my whole body begins to feel extremely numb and like I can't move. From what I understand, this is just extreme relaxation, and not SP.

If I just lie there...I never get to a WILD; if I try to go back to sleep, I'd say approximately 20 minutes.

I've been looking all over for the difference between SP and relaxation! Sometimes I'll feel like I have to move, and it takes a little while to move my body because I feel so heavy. Good to know it's not SP.

It took 45 minets and nothing happend I just got num

Originally Posted by xspectrum

After about 10 minutes, my whole body begins to feel extremely numb and like I can't move. From what I understand, this is just extreme relaxation, and not SP.

Yep!

Originally Posted by sanctum

I've been looking all over for the difference between SP and relaxation! Sometimes I'll feel like I have to move, and it takes a little while to move my body because I feel so heavy. Good to know it's not SP.

Once SP sets in, you'd definitely know. Your senses feel like they are 'cut off'. The tingling of your body will cease or ease off and you won't be able to feel your body very much. You might even question your position your body is in.

Originally Posted by Nick25

It took 45 minets and nothing happend I just got num

Make sure you're not trying your WILDs at initial sleep. You want at least 4 or 5 hours sleep beforehand.

Back to the original post, it varies. Some people lay there for an hour before they get fully into the dream. Just to clarify, when are you doing your WILD attempts?

Hmm... I tried to WILD before sleep knowing the circumstances and how horrible it is JUST for practice and got farther that ever. (Progress yay!) But I lied for two hours and didn't get to SP. (duh). Unfortunately... I CAN'T sleep after a WILD attempt. I remember thinking about absolutely NOTHING, probably because most of my concentration was on my breathing. Gah! At least I learned a valuable lesson. Don't WILD before sleeping, because after I failed the WILD I still lied in bed for 3 hours before falling asleep. Is there a way to fall asleep after a failed WILD before falling asleep? For some reason it made me really aware, like, moving after a failed WILD. How do I relax and fall asleep if I'm already SO relaxed that I CAN'T fall asleep. I can't explain it, it's just so weird. Any help? (Lol, sorry for jacking the question)

Once SP sets in, you'd definitely know. Your senses feel like they are 'cut off'. The tingling of your body will cease or ease off and you won't be able to feel your body very much. You might even question your position your body is in.

Yes! That's usually what ends up happening, except the times that I've WILDed I haven't been aware enough to feel it. When the vibrations hit I vaguely realize that I can't really feel my body anymore. Instead of waiting consciously for something, anything to happen, it was sort of like gently drifting into oblivion. A lot of the steps I take are similar or the same to ones I do to fall asleep at the beginning of a night.

Hmm... I tried to WILD before sleep knowing the circumstances and how horrible it is JUST for practice and got farther that ever. (Progress yay!) But I lied for two hours and didn't get to SP. (duh). Unfortunately... I CAN'T sleep after a WILD attempt. I remember thinking about absolutely NOTHING, probably because most of my concentration was on my breathing. Gah! At least I learned a valuable lesson. Don't WILD before sleeping, because after I failed the WILD I still lied in bed for 3 hours before falling asleep. Is there a way to fall asleep after a failed WILD before falling asleep? For some reason it made me really aware, like, moving after a failed WILD. How do I relax and fall asleep if I'm already SO relaxed that I CAN'T fall asleep. I can't explain it, it's just so weird. Any help? (Lol, sorry for jacking the question)

Hey Telinir, we meet again. Remember that unless you are sleep deprived or are going to bed sometime highly irregular, you won't WILD at the beginning of the night. In fact, it is extremely unlikely you will sleep at all. In order to WILD your body must be falling into REM sleep, and at the beginning of the night, you don't go into REM sleep (you can google a sleep cycle chart image to see what I'm talking about). I know it's tempting to want to WILD then; when I tried I would get excited because my eyelids would twitch here and there or I'd feel faint floating sensations. It seemed like a much better option than waking up early since I woke up so early anyway. But remember that though you may enter SP, but you will not WILD. I would suggest you WILD during the night, especially since you're losing sleep over it.

In order to WILD, you can do what I've said before, about trying to fall asleep semi normally with lucid dreaming in the back of your mind. If you've ever gone to bed from a full or busy day, you know your mind is constantly swirling with events and thoughts--and unless you're very tired to begin with, it's hard to fall asleep at all. That's what you want to remember about WILDing and falling asleep after a failed attempt. You need to sleep in order to dream.

I had the same problem with being too aware afterward. Every position seemed uncomfortable and I was too awake, yet blearily tired. Sometimes I wake in the night and have to go to the bathroom or drink some water. I basically try to replicate that, and it sort of tricks my body into relaxing. If you don't want to walk around everywhere, I still suggest you get out of bed. Fix any blankets you might have kicked around. Fluff a pillow. Stretch. Since it's winter here I might take off a heavy item of clothing so that I'm a little cold. The warm blankets start to look very inviting ... try to keep your eyes closed through this and think as little as possible. Then very slowly, crawl back into bed. This sort of wakes up your body just enough to relax correctly. Get into your favorite sleeping position and imagine a favorable scenario--or just go where your mind wants to wander. You don't want to be doing a lot of meta-thinking, where you're observing your thoughts or forcing them to go in one direction or another. Hopefully you will begin to relax and sleep soon, and you won't lose three hours. Good luck.

Originally Posted by xspectrum

After about 10 minutes, my whole body begins to feel extremely numb and like I can't move. From what I understand, this is just extreme relaxation, and not SP.

Yeah, that's what I felt in a nutshell. I could move, I just barely wanted to.

Hey again Sanctum hehe, I have a feeling this isn't the last time too!
I knew that a sure way to fail a WILD was to do it before any sleep (unless you're really good), I just wanted to do it completely for practice but lost track and ended up being an actual attempt. I think my problem with WILDing is that I'm too conscious, because heres my procedures after waking up with WBTB: Wake up(duh hehe), go to the bathroom, go back and read about WILD in the forum. After that I randomly decide to try the WILD usually after about 10-20 mins. I might have to lower that. Not sure. Well, let's see what happens again lol.

Originally Posted by Telinir

Hmm... I tried to WILD before sleep knowing the circumstances and how horrible it is JUST for practice and got farther that ever. (Progress yay!) But I lied for two hours and didn't get to SP. (duh). Unfortunately... I CAN'T sleep after a WILD attempt. I remember thinking about absolutely NOTHING, probably because most of my concentration was on my breathing. Gah! At least I learned a valuable lesson. Don't WILD before sleeping, because after I failed the WILD I still lied in bed for 3 hours before falling asleep. Is there a way to fall asleep after a failed WILD before falling asleep? For some reason it made me really aware, like, moving after a failed WILD. How do I relax and fall asleep if I'm already SO relaxed that I CAN'T fall asleep. I can't explain it, it's just so weird. Any help? (Lol, sorry for jacking the question)

It's cool. But what I do, is to relax, I just sort of daydream, think to myself about nothing in particular until I fall asleep, or become very relaxed. Let your mind wander, and don't really focus on the purpose of the thoughts. It helps a lot. Oh and if you want to WILD, wait until you have some sleep. It helps a lot more. The only problem with that is finding when to wake up, I haven't really tried it yet.

Originally Posted by Telinir

Hey again Sanctum hehe, I have a feeling this isn't the last time too!
I knew that a sure way to fail a WILD was to do it before any sleep (unless you're really good), I just wanted to do it completely for practice but lost track and ended up being an actual attempt. I think my problem with WILDing is that I'm too conscious, because heres my procedures after waking up with WBTB: Wake up(duh hehe), go to the bathroom, go back and read about WILD in the forum. After that I randomly decide to try the WILD usually after about 10-20 mins. I might have to lower that. Not sure. Well, let's see what happens again lol.

Well, since light causes the brain to become aware, try to do without reading about it. Thinking about it helped me get further, but not fully into a lucid dream.

Originally Posted by MBA42

Well, since light causes the brain to become aware, try to do without reading about it. Thinking about it helped me get further, but not fully into a lucid dream.

Right. LED light from your computer or mobile device is very stimulating to the brain. I always read dreamviews before going to bed -- I find that's the perfect balance. I like reading good dreamjournals because they give me ideas of what I can do. It reminds me of what I have to look forward to. And brushing up on WILDing tips doesn't hurt either LD is more likely to be in my mind already, so if I remember something interesting I read during WBTB, that sometimes lets me DILD, even if I fail a WILD.