Becoming Lucid by WILD

[WHYDream]

Hey guys, So there is a problem. See, I have been trying to become lucid by using the wild technique but every time I try, I fall asleep. I have heard about brainwave entertainment but i don't want to sleep with headphones on the whole night. So are there any techniques that you know which will help you achieve WILD. The Last time I remember becoming lucid was a year before when I suddenly realized I was dreaming. So are there any techniques you can use to avoid falling asleep during WILD?? I have never even reached sleep paralysis before. Btw, I am new to this forum

[XaldiN]

Welcome to the forums of Dream Views buddy It's okay if you don't enjoy putting the headphones there's thousand of other solutions, although maybe a micro bud like this could work. However there's a tons of WILD tutorials and classes all over here. Your problem is simple, you just have to find enough awareness to let you enter sp while aware, without totally falling asleep or hardly sleeping due to many focusing and tension. From "Mancon's In Depth WILD Guide". I'm copying his solution for ya: Spoiler for Mancon's words: 2. I am too relaxed! You need to get up and walk around. Pay attention to objects, what they look like, smell like, taste like, etc. If I am really tired I put some cold water on my eyelids. Drinking water always helps me too. Remember to empty your bladder before WILDing! Of course that's by making WBTB (Wake Back To Bed) which is some sleep (4 to 6 hours) before your WILD attempt. Useful links: WBTB Tutorial - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views WILD Tutorial - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views Make sure to check "Other Links" below in the tutorials above.

[WHYDream]

Oh! and also, is it really necessary to feel sleep paralysis to form a dream scape and lucid dream/.

[XaldiN]

Oh! and also, is it really necessary to feel sleep paralysis to form a dream scape and lucid dream/. Nope, many people don't feel the SP waves or sounds. Also many people don't recommend focusing on these things even if you have them, instead on the dream environment, your senses. Maybe you'll just drift into a dream!

[Sivason]

Here is a thread about anchoring. http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/anchor-key-wild-132755/ SP is not what it sounds like. It is just a numb heavy kind of thing that prevents dream motion form becoming real motion. You can choose to move in SP, so do not even think about SP. It is just something that happens, but not some thing you need to be aware of.

[xpin2winx]

When most people refer to SP on here. Do they just mean like vibrations, auditory hallucinations, and hypnagogic images. Or do they actually mean Sleep paralysis where you physically cant move. I refer to sleep paralysis as vibrations and etc just because its easier to say.

[Sivason]

When most people refer to SP on here. Do they just mean like vibrations, auditory hallucinations, and hypnagogic images. Or do they actually mean Sleep paralysis where you physically cant move. I refer to sleep paralysis as vibrations and etc just because its easier to say. HI or HH hypnogogic images or hyponogogic hallucinations are the things you experience while trying to pull off a WILD, like sounds and vibrations. They often happen about the same time as SP, but are not related. SP does not mean you can not move (unless you have a rare sleep disorder), it is just a state that happens in sleep. It is a chemical effect your brain creates that makes you less likely to act out your dreams. Because you stay aware while your body falls asleep you can actually feel when the chemicals release, if you know what to look for. It is used as a marker for how close you are getting to a dream state. However, SP does not keep you from moving using your concious will, so you can never test SP. If I am in SP, I get a sedated narcotic feeling and moving would take effort and intent, but I can break the SP in a second if I need to move. The problem is when beginers want proof they reached SP, so they try to move, and disrupt their WILD attempt. I have not started a thread in awhile so I will copy this into a thread in the attaining lucidity area.

[MasterMind]

Finally a Dream Guide that agrees with that. I hate to see new people get confused of the misused term of sleep paralysis when they mean Hypnagogic Imagery. It's really important knowledge, because otherwise you reach "SP" each night, never succeed and blame themselves and eventually maybe quit. Spread the word!

[WHYDream]

I can feel numbness and vibrations but never saw any HI. And Before I know it I wake in the morning with no lucid dreams. And if you don't think about SP then What is the numbness that is taking over??. Is it SP??

[MasterMind]

I can feel numbness and vibrations but never saw any HI. And Before I know it I wake in the morning with no lucid dreams. And if you don't think about SP then What is the numbness that is taking over??. Is it SP?? Yes and no. Sleep paralysis happens when you already are dreaming so you are never aware of the sleep paralysis, it's so rare to be aware of it so it's either still a dream like a false awakening or it's an disorder. You can go to bed right now and lay still and in about 5-10 minutes you will feel your body getting small vibrations and even sometimes a petrifying feeling. So what some people (incorrectly) like to refer as sleep paralysis on this forum, is actually just the body own relaxation sensations. To make it clearer. If you hit REM and sleep paralysis right this instant you would never be aware of the real physical world until you already was dreaming, which is why you shouldn't look for sleep paralysis, but strange sensations. If you feel any kind of weird sensation like hearing a voice, seeing an alien, or feeling a strong floating or falling sensation do a reality check! You can still wake up from a dream with the paralysis effect there, but it just feels like your body parts are asleep and it dissipate in seconds. But a tip for WILDing. You have to focus where you want your awareness to be, if you look for the ""sleep paralysis"" and focus on your body that's where you will stay, in your body. If you focus on the thoughts, daydreams, your mind that's where you till go the dream.

[WHYDream]

Yes and no. Sleep paralysis happens when you already are dreaming so you are never aware of the sleep paralysis, it's so rare to be aware of it so it's either still a dream like a false awakening or it's an disorder. You can go to bed right now and lay still and in about 5-10 minutes you will feel your body getting small vibrations and even sometimes a petrifying feeling. So what some people (incorrectly) like to refer as sleep paralysis on this forum, is actually just the body own relaxation sensations. To make it clearer. If you hit REM and sleep paralysis right this instant you would never be aware of the real physical world until you already was dreaming, which is why you shouldn't look for sleep paralysis, but strange sensations. If you feel any kind of weird sensation like hearing a voice, seeing an alien, or feeling a strong floating or falling sensation do a reality check! You can still wake up from a dream with the paralysis effect there, but it just feels like your body parts are asleep and it dissipate in seconds. But a tip for WILDing. You have to focus where you want your awareness to be, if you look for the ""sleep paralysis"" and focus on your body that's where you will stay, in your body. If you focus on the thoughts, daydreams, your mind that's where you till go the dream. Ok.. so when you get relaxed enough then what do you have to do, imagine a dreamscene or look for HI? Or will a dream scene appear out nowhere and I will get sucked in. I just read a guide where it said that when your relaxed enough you would start to see a cup on a table or something.... Sorry for all the questions but I really want to have my first LD.

[MasterMind]

WHYDream your not the first I say this to, someone should have told me this when I first started out as well (they probably did). But if you are completley new to lucid dreaming and haven't experienced how it feels to be aware of your dreams. You should not start out with the WILD technique! It's the most complicated and hardest of them all. It's basically like a new meditation practioner wants to learn about enlightenmen right away... Ok perhaps an exaggeration, but trying to become lucid this way is something that most likely will make you frustrated and worst of all maybe quit. And we would not want that... My suggestion would be to start with the basics -> Learn lucid dreaming: part 1 - YouTube (The Best Beginner Guide There is!) It sounds booring "blabla the basics" I know but it is so important for you to understand in order to grow. Later on when you have experienced some lucid moments you can start to try out the traditional WILD. The reason why WILD isn't recommended isn't just the difficulty but also that if you are new I don't want your first experience of the lucid dremaing practice is going to be frustration. You should also know that it's not like you become lucid and BAM you can have any adventure you want. There are more obstacles on the way, but DW can help you with all of them. But it's really hard to tackle WILD which is like the biggest obstacle to cross of them all.. Lucid dreaming is an art. However just experiencing a glimpse of awareness in a world you know isn't physical real life is the most awesome experience a person can have in my opinion. I am here if you wonder anything, but Tim Post should be enough for now Good luck!

[WHYDream]

WHYDream your not the first I say this to, someone should have told me this when I first started out as well (they probably did). But if you are completley new to lucid dreaming and haven't experienced how it feels to be aware of your dreams. You should not start out with the WILD technique! It's the most complicated and hardest of them all. It's basically like a new meditation practioner wants to learn about enlightenmen right away... Ok perhaps an exaggeration, but trying to become lucid this way is something that most likely will make you frustrated and worst of all maybe quit. And we would not want that... My suggestion would be to start with the basics It sounds booring "blabla the basics" I know but it is so important for you to understand in order to grow. Later on when you have experienced some lucid moments you can start to try out the traditional WILD. The reason why WILD isn't recommended isn't just the difficulty but also that if you are new I don't want your first experience of the lucid dremaing practice is going to be frustration. You should also know that it's not like you become lucid and BAM you can have any adventure you want. There are more obstacles on the way, but DW can help you with all of them. But it's really hard to tackle WILD which is like the biggest obstacle to cross of them all.. Lucid dreaming is an art. However just experiencing a glimpse of awareness in a world you know isn't physical real life is the most awesome experience a person can have in my opinion. I am here if you wonder anything, but Tim Post should be enough for now Good luck! You've got it all wrong. When I said I wanted to have my first LD. I meant by using the Wild technique. Also I have already said that I had many lucid dreams before.I'm only new to the forum but nt Lucid dreaming and I have full experience how it feels to be in a LD. I only want to get the WILD down so I can have a lucid dream anytime (when I want). But for other techniques, its like "Lay down and hope for the best". SO you get me, right?

[MasterMind]

Ah ok sorry Still a good video though if you haven't seen it. But yeah it is basically lay down and hope for the best. I agree with you, although there are ways to improve the chances of higher awareness in dreams that I know do wonders. Dream Journaling does so much, I was lazy before, but when I started doing it my lucid dreaming rate was kick started, and then I mean realizing I am lucid, not full adventures. And there are other factors that are really important that you may have forgot. It helps me perhaps it helps you, I am soon going to bed so I'll type it fast. The bedtime is important getting to sleep to late affects your dream awareness and therefore your dream recall negatively. So don't count on a lucid dream if you go to bed after 24:00 The mindset is also very important, new people (not saying your are new now :p ) tend to crave for a lucid dream so much that it does more harm than good, getting frustrated leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads o suffering (Yoda quote). So don't join the darkside, keep a positive mind andd be interested in your vivid non-lucid dreams as well. These tips help you get generally more aware of your dreams. When it comes to WILD, I have only managed a few WILD attempts combined with a WBTB and two times without a WBTB because I was sleep deprived. And the most important thing for WILD is to have a non-occupied mind, so meditation really helps. Try to clear the mind of thoughts that makes you stressed like work or school and imagine putting it in a trashcan. But since WILD more relays on luck than skill in most cases... I would recommend trying and practsing DEILD first, because it basically is a WILD but you skip the whole relaxation and laying still step. It can also be used to lucid dream at will. You should at least consider it Btw I was totally traditional WILD obssessed before and well I ended up having more DILDs than WILDs so I decided to go for general dream awareness instead. Now I am going to bed! Sweet dreams

[WHYDream]

thanks for the help!! - Sweet Dreams -

[Komisoft]

Welcome to the forums! A quick tip from what I use. Upon waking up, get out of bed for about 10-20 minutes or so. Grab a drink or water and go to the bathroom. It also helps if you lay in bed with the light on 10 minutes of waking up puts me in a perfect state to relax easily, maybe you should try. Hope it helps! Hope to see you on chat sometime!

[Chewnie91]

Hello, I've had quite a bit of experience with WILD (a little over 800 dreams via WILD technique only because I do it every night lol) but if you have any questions feel free to message me good luck. Some good advice above.

[Radioshift]

I would suggest sitting or laying in a slightly uncomfortable position or a position that you're not used to. It has worked for me to do that, and after I feel like its hard to not drift away every few seconds, I roll over and count. Rolling over once doesn't ruin the WILD attempt. Once, I gave up on a WILD and rolled over to go to sleep, only to feel the wave of numbness a couple seconds later. Also, don't expect a WILD when going to bed at night. It's pretty rare for that to work. Like the comments above, WBTB is the most reliable for a WILD. You just need to find the right amount of time for you to stay up before going back. Some prefer a few seconds, some even an hour. I apologize if I just repeated what was already said, I just skimmed the other comments. good luck