Thread: (Might be considered off topic.) Has anyone ever...

WILDed when they normally go to sleep?

Or at least WILDed without sleeping beforehand at night?

Why do all the newbies ask this? Why do you have this strange fascination with WILDing at bedtime? Technically it can be done, but it's very difficult and results in very short, unvivid, unstable dreams. It's stupid to try WILDing this way.

Originally Posted by cmind

Why do all the newbies ask this? Why do you have this strange fascination with WILDing at bedtime? Technically it can be done, but it's very difficult and results in very short, unvivid, unstable dreams. It's stupid to try WILDing this way.

I've done it, and it was the best WILD I ever had. (My others being terrible ones right after I wake up in the morning.)

I was wondering if YOU people had.

'n' I'm a self taught lucid dreaming from back when I was 3 years old.

Not a newbie.

Originally Posted by cmind

Why do all the newbies ask this? Why do you have this strange fascination with WILDing at bedtime? Technically it can be done, but it's very difficult and results in very short, unvivid, unstable dreams. It's stupid to try WILDing this way.

That's pretty harsh of you to assume he's a noob and belittle him just for asking a question. In reality, experiences vary, and you can never categorically classify WILDing at bedtime as being invariably unsuccessful and unstable..

He wasn't asking whether you thought WILDing at bedtime was stupid. He was asking whether you had any experiences with it.

Originally Posted by LieutenantCloud

That's pretty harsh of you to assume he's a noob and belittle him just for asking a question. In reality, experiences vary, and you can never categorically classify WILDing at bedtime as being invariably unsuccessful and unstable..

Sivason did a good job pointing out the physiological hurdles. The only way to increase the stability, vividness, and length of a WILD done during the first sleep cycle is by experiencing REM rebound. Sleep deficit, small amounts of alcohol, or a modified sleep schedule could be the real culprit here.

Originally Posted by LieutenantCloud

He wasn't asking whether you thought WILDing at bedtime was stupid. He was asking whether you had any experiences with it.

It's called sparking a conversation. If people only reply to this thread with "lol, yeah bro" or "nah, I didn't", it would turn out to be a pretty lame and useless thread, IMO.

This isn't SB; people tend to come to the on-topic section to learn shit.



To the OP:

A few times.
Not worth the effort.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

Sivason did a good job pointing out the physiological hurdles. The only way to increase the stability, vividness, and length of a WILD done during the first sleep cycle is by experiencing REM rebound. Sleep deficit, small amounts of alcohol, or a modified sleep schedule could be the real culprit here.

None of that explains the condescending and cocky tone. Is it some sort of unspoken rule that once you gain enough posts you can start calling people newbs and belittling them with impertinent remarks.

Condemning the idea, and any person who attempts it, by calling it "stupid to try" was childish. Rather he could have instead explained the fact that it was simply difficult to execute and yielded poor results.

Originally Posted by LieutenantCloud

None of that explains the condescending and cocky tone. Is it some sort of unspoken rule that once you gain enough posts you can start calling people newbs and belittling them with impertinent remarks.

Firstly, here are the facts:

This sort of question gets asked all the time on the WILD subforum, almost exclusively by people who are new to lucid dreaming.
cmind has been around the block quite a few times, and when you're active for that long, you end up seeing the same threads, over and over, on what seems like a normal cycle.
The author of the OP made no mention of personal success nor history in the OP itself.
The question itself suggested ignorance to much of the current WILD literature circulating DV.

Given all of these facts, without further research into the OP author's post history, it was a fairly safe assumption that Zalak123 was fairly new to the site.

As for the impertinence, I don't think cmind is interested in being PC. Rather, I think he cares about cutting down on the misinformation roaming about the site and spreading real knowledge to the masses.

Originally Posted by LieutenantCloud

Condemning the idea, and any person who attempts it, by calling it "stupid to try" was childish. Rather he could have instead explained the fact that it was simply difficult to execute and yielded poor results.

Given the physiological facts, attempting to WILD before bed goes against common sense and suggests the person doing is either ignorant to those facts, or does not understand their implications. Hence, by definition*, it is "stupid to try."


* (stu·pid/ˈst(y)o͞opid/
Adjective:
Lacking intelligence or common sense.
Source: Google Dictionary

Originally Posted by Zalak123

WILDed when they normally go to sleep?

No.

Originally Posted by Zalak123

Or at least WILDed without sleeping beforehand at night?

You can WILD during naps in the day, because you jump straight to REM.

Originally Posted by Azubiu

No.


You can WILD during naps in the day, because you jump straight to REM.

Yeah, but I asked if YOU have WILDED sometime during the night without going to sleep first.

I'm not asking if such a thing is possible. I have done both.

Originally Posted by Zalak123

Yeah, but I asked if YOU have WILDED sometime during the night without going to sleep first.

I'm not asking if such a thing is possible. I have done both.

I already said, no. Lol

Edit: And I haven't done it before a nap either.

Sorry I miss-read your Post.

Sorrysorrysorry

Edit: You live in Pallet Town too!?

Originally Posted by Zalak123

Sorry I miss-read your Post.

Sorrysorrysorry

Edit: You live in Pallet Town too!?

Aha it's okay.

And yeah bro I think you were my neighbor? We went on some crazy adventure, but that was ages ago.

Ah yes I have, as a matter of fact, 4 times. Just in one week too. o-O

I have done it, but it is no myth that it is not the easiest way. Here is why if anyone does not know. When you first go to sleep it will normally take up to an hour or more before you approach an REM phase. The best LDs happen in REM because you can get great visuals. In order to WILD at bedtime it normally ends up with you having to stay aware in the trance like state for over a full hour. You may be able to have your WILD in nREM dreams but of course they will be poorly lit and have weaker visuals. The nap thing needs to be with in about 5 hours of waking to have the best results. Much later than that and a nap will be no more effective than trying to get a WILD at betime.

Originally Posted by sivason

I have done it, but it is no myth that it is not the easiest way. Here is why if anyone does not know. When you first go to sleep it will normally take up to an hour or more before you approach an REM phase. The best LDs happen in REM because you can get great visuals. In order to WILD at bedtime it normally ends up with you having to stay aware in the trance like state for over a full hour. You may be able to have your WILD in nREM dreams but of course they will be poorly lit and have weaker visuals. The nap thing needs to be with in about 5 hours of waking to have the best results. Much later than that and a nap will be no more effective than trying to get a WILD at betime.

this just made me think, couldnt that be proof that OBEs and APs are differant to lucid dreams?
because lots of people OBE before bed, and i have heard that is acctualy the easiest time to do it.
and from what i have heard OBEs and APs are alot more vivid than lucid dreams, and that is not what you would expect from a lucid dream before bed.

Originally Posted by Qwer

this just made me think, couldnt that be proof that OBEs and APs are differant to lucid dreams?
because lots of people OBE before bed, and i have heard that is acctualy the easiest time to do it.
and from what i have heard OBEs and APs are alot more vivid than lucid dreams, and that is not what you would expect from a lucid dream before bed.

From my experience the kind of OBEs that happen from inducing a trance before bedtime seem much like nREM LDs. I have no opinion on if anything mystical happens. It sure feels as if you leave your body, but what would you expect a WILD attempt/ dream trance to feel like. The body falls asleep, but the mind is aware. The many times I used to do OBEs using a trance state at bedtime had poor visuals, poor lighting, and were very tactile. Oddly enough, that is exactly how my nREM LDs feel. I could be wrong, but I have never heard anyone suggest induced OBEs were nearly as vivid as REM LDs. While randomly induced AP or OBE can have the full vividness of REM. I like to think some of the experience I have had and others describe have mystical implications, but they sure seem tied to the same rules as LDs. I mean no disrespect, and no insult, but in this case, my experience with OBEs at bedtime, match my experiences with nREM LDs. However, who cares what is real as far as if it is mystical or LDs, OBEs are truely interesting experiences worth having. But, the subject is WILD at bedtime, so I want to stay on topic.

Originally Posted by Zalak123

WILDed when they normally go to sleep?

Or at least WILDed without sleeping beforehand at night?

I have but only when I'm extremely tired. And normally I didn't mean to it just happened.

Most often in naps when I didn't get enough sleep the night before and the day exhausted me. Fall into deep sleep quickly.

I have not actually completed one before going to bed at night, but I used to try, and I found that even if I wasn't successful, that it helped greatly in the vividness and lucidity of my dreams that followed. Not saying that's the case for everybody, but my early lucid dreams were always on nights that I tried to WILD.

I haven't, but doesn't stop me trying occasionally :p

I think the attraction is that most people feel they are more aware just before bed, as opposed to say a 4am WBTB.

Originally Posted by Milliecake

I haven't, but doesn't stop me trying occasionally :p

I think the attraction is that most people feel they are more aware just before bed, as opposed to say a 4am WBTB.

I find that odd, personally. For me, the last thing I want to be doing at bedtime is mucking about with altered states of consciousness. That's just exhausting. But by morning I have lots of energy to try stuff.

Yes I have WILD with WBTB or sleeping before, but I was sleep deprived.
I had been gaming at a friends house.

But I am planning to succeed again without being sleep deprived. In fact I try it every night!
Although I have a majority of DILDs instead, but it's always fun with a challenge =)

Yes. It's not worth it LD-wise, but it's great practice of awareness.

\\ Tucane

I have had two SP's randomly when I woke up in the middle of the night, I guess that's the same thing.

It was really cool actually I believe it was my first LD too. Just woke up...eyes closed and I kept hearing air rushing past me. Was amazing.

I've WILDed once when going to bed. I had slept only a few hours the night before so started to fall asleep really quickly. The dream scene started to appear behind my closed eyes soon after I lay down. I did not experience sleep paralysis and I was able to move and feel my physical body. At one point I was aware of both my physical body and my dream body at once. Moving my physical body caused the dream to start fading, while focusing on my dream body made it clearer.

I had very good control of the dreamscape. When it initially appeared I could only feel that I somehow was in a dream, it was all black,but I could somehow feel my dreambody. I decided I wanted a huge empty grass field, and it appeared. Then I placed lots of skyscrapers around on the field plus some dream characters, before flying through my creation. It was kinda like playing Sim City. After being in the dream for maybe 15 minutes, I started to get curious if I feel my physical body and found I could move my physical arm, this caused me to wake up.

I tried it last night cause I had no alarm clock, my phone was dying. I didn't think just doing nothing would be enough, so I put on some tunes to help calm me down. I kept my mind awake by focusing solely on a conversation with myself/ thinking (not too hard, but thourogh thinking) about logic/ math problems. And then I would notice the music again, and I would get lost in it. And I think that would help me clear my mind. Sure enough (after a loooong while), I saw orbs of light spontaneously appear and then turn to galaxy disks. And I felt my eyes moving quickly beneath my eyelids. BUuut it destabilized. And stopped. But that was my first brush with lucidity, no joke. Tonight I will try music with lyrics I have listened to a lot and music without lyrics. Easier to get lost in. And the playlist will only be 30 minutes long so by the time I see the orbs the music will stop hopefully. Has anyone else tried WILDing with music????