Thread: WILD help: dealing with school hours

1 Only do Wild at weekends,
2 Try out Deild,
3 Only practise Mild.

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Dutchraptor has good advise.

In DILD - you go to sleep normally and because of the practice you will do during day, in your regular dream you will realize you are dreaming.

In DEILD - if you wake up at night from a dream, stay still, visualize the dream you just came out of and you should enter Lucid dream in a few seconds.

Please check out our Wiki for tutorials for MILD/DILD and DEILD. Happy dreams

Yeah, I figured I would have to stop attempting a WILD every night.
I looked at your post on DEILD, and I love the idea of it. I will definitely be trying it. Repeat a mantra before you go to bed so you can train yourself to wake after every dream, right? I know when my dreams end, but this sounds incredibly difficult to train yourself to do.
This is a question for everyone, does lucid dreaming count as a full rest? Or is it only part rest?

Originally Posted by Draco77100

Repeat a mantra before you go to bed so you can train yourself to wake after every dream, right? I know when my dreams end, but this sounds incredibly difficult to train yourself to do.

We already wake up after each REM is over, we just don't notice it. So you may train yourself to start noticing these awakenings. Just thinking about this will give you better chance at noticing it. A mantra like : "when I wake up, I stay still" can help.

Or, you can set your alarm (one that rings for a few seconds and then stopps by itself) to wake you up, when you are most likely in REM. You can estimate the time this way: Each sleep cycle is about 90 min long and it starts with NREM and ends with REM stage. The longer you sleep, longer the REM stage becomes. At the beginning of sleep it could be just 10 min long, but after 7-8 hours of sleep is much longer.

Originally Posted by Draco77100

This is a question for everyone, does lucid dreaming count as a full rest? Or is it only part rest?

I have not noticed any tiredness from a lucid dream. If anything, I woke up happy, exhilarated and full of energy.

This question is to Dutchraptor (or Gab or anyone else who can answer) because I know you are extremely successful with DEILD. I tried it last night, and while I know that in the DEILD tutorial it said to have five days of preparation, I would like to bring this up now in hopes to avoid small mistakes. Last night my mantra was, 'when I wake from a dream, I will know.' Then I preceded to sleep. However, I woke up quite often, especially during the first part of the night, which relates to REM length, right? It was weird for me to wake up at all, as I am a VERY deep sleeper. The only problem, was that I can't remember a single dream from last night. A couple fizzy images is it. That is the first time this has happened to me since I started to record my dreams. Any thoughts on how that happened, or what I can do to improve?

My goal is to be able to wake up naturally during the night and DEILD every night! So far I have solved the natural awakening problem with water (Check out my DJ for more info) and now I am only trying to master the DEILD. Some year ago I mastered DEILD in terms of succeeding every awakening, but then my problem was that I didn't get as many awakenings as I thought I would and sometimes none at all. But now when I have solved that problem I am hoping to master DEILD fully.

This is basically what I am doing:

Normal Bedtime -> Water Routine -> Comfortable sleeping posture -> Autosuggestion (I am aware of when I have woke up and I lay still) -> Non-physical tests -> Cycle 4 times -> Reality check!
... Didn't succeed? Fall back to sleep and do a new attempt on the next awakening.

This DEILD practice affects my recall because instead of writing down my dreams upon awakening I practice DEILD, but I think it's worth the loss

I have school and I still practice WILD everyday.

I got go bed at 10:30 so I can fall asleep by 11pm. 5 hours later - at 4am, I wake up and WILD. I still have 3 hours left of time and it usually takes about 1 hour to get into a dream.

The downside? Losing sleep. But you can always take naps after school .

I normally only WBTB on the weekends, or on nights when I magically manage to get to bed early. I like making it an event. It helps me commit to the plan.

Wow, great ideas everyone! Looking over everything, I've decided that I will switch practicing DEILD on school nights, as I have to get up at five forty five. I will do WILD attempts on the weekends, while always doing reality checks throughout the day. I'm so glad I joined this forum! Thanks to everyone!!!

I actually have one more question for everyone. How long did it take for you to consistently have lucid dreams when you started? Right now I've only had one lucid, but I love the new world even simply remembering my dreams has opened. Nights are no longer just a blank spot, it's a fantastic thing. I also love being able to make myself fall asleep fast, and recognize when I'm almost asleep.

Well in the beggining I wasted my time in trying to find the best technique and to do traditional WILDs without WBTB So when I realized the power of Dream Journaling and to use it as a tool to meassure my awareness in dreams, it was easier to see what I needed to work on. I have lucid realizations very often, but they are not perfectly stable and clear so I have to work on that.
Which is why I have started to used Reece Jones Layers of Lucidity in my Dream Journal to also keep track of what level I am on.

When you stop worry and realize that lucid dreaming is easier than it seems, you will have 2-4 lucid realiations each week.

However the next step is to become lucid and maintain the state and not wake up or start dreaming normally. Sometimes you are even lucid but not fully aware of the self, you know you are dreaming, but you don't realize that dream characters not are real, that you have control or have full physical memory and you react completley on instinct sex and adventure drive.
It gives you interesting dreams but not fully controled awareness, which of course is the goal... It took Stephen LaBerge 24 years to master this, however with the information out today I believe I can shorten that I have practiced for about 4 years now but most of the time was wasted so you can learn this very quickly

So never get frustrated, because just the fact that you have acknowledged the existence of lucid dreaming is already working in your favor.

Good luck although you don't need luck

Originally Posted by Draco77100

Wow, great ideas everyone! Looking over everything, I've decided that I will switch practicing DEILD on school nights, as I have to get up at five forty five. I will do WILD attempts on the weekends, while always doing reality checks throughout the day. I'm so glad I joined this forum! Thanks to everyone!!!

If you ever have a question on Deild come to my Deild tutorial and I or some of the other members will answer your questions

Interesting you mentioned that, MasterMind, because I had something odd last night. In the middle of my dream, I was thinking about things in real life, and it was actual conscious thinking, I was considering hinges I had on my mind before bed. However, I had no idea that I was dreaming. I also will have to check the Layers of Lucidity.
Thank you all for your input, I think I will be moving to the DEILD tutorial, as that's really what I'm doing now.
I will mention one last thing, that I am continually amazed by auto suggestion. Last night I woke up twice when a dream ended! Sadly I didn't stay still, but as I am such a deep sleeper, this alone is incredible.
Thanks again! I am much relieved to be able to talk to people who actually understand and dont criticize me

Well done Draco77100 but should know that even if you move you can still be able to transition into the dream, according to Michael Raduga that is.
The optimal is of course to not move, but if you do end up moving try to use the method of "Forced Falling Asleep" don't think of this as a method to DEILD, but more like an eraser tha erase the fact that you moved, in other words it makes moving no longer a problem anymore. What you do is trying to fall asleep, you know like the thing you intuituvely do when you try to go to sleep, but you stop yourself just 3-5 seconds after you start doing it so you don't end up falling asleep unconsciously. Just like autosuggestion there is no theory of why it works, it just does.

What will happen is that you will feel the typical DEILD sensations and your body will behave like you were in a dream, and if you wait a few seconds you will be.

Try to really understand the concept of forced falling asleep, because when you master it you can DEILD on every awakening.

I am trying to do the same Good luck!

interesting subject...
yes, autosuggestion is a very powerful tool. we use it unintentionally everyday, in its most simple form. you set your intention to do something and you do it later.

as for trying to stay still, just let it come across your mind throughout the day that you WILL stay still. think about it...play with the idea in your mind to really set the intention. itll likely happen the next night, and when it does, oh boy your in for a ride. when i got it the first time, my whole body just whajammed into my head (or so it felt) and the vibes, man. holy tits. it. is. awesome.

also dream awareness helps alot with staying still. and mindset. keep dreamy.

good luck to you sir. i salute you

I'm afraid I don't quite grasp the concept of Forced Falling Asleep. I literally relax to sleep for a couple seconds and then come out of it?
Wow, I didn't even think of using auto suggestion for that during the day! Thank you! I know, it's some weird, yet awesome stuff. I've done a WILD, and that was a whole new experience

Yeah an easier way to describe it is that you really try to fall asleep but stop yourself after a few seconds so you don't end up falling asleep unconsciously.