Thread: What are some good tips when doing a WILD?

The best tip I can give you is to read some tutorials and read all latest threads in WILD forum. The threads will answer many of your questions about SP, since that has been discussed here in great detail recently.

Then start following the tutorial. It will take you a lots of tries, but you will get familiar with the process and you will find out what works for you and what doesn't. Then you can make slight changes to the procedure. But first you need to know the basics.

WILD(sagaous) Good luck

This is I think the 10th time I'm answering this question, no It is not necessary to reach SP when doing a Wild. You can think it as milestones to your goal, you may get it or not. But you should be prepared for some intense action - or not.

Originally Posted by BananaWackeys

Also, if i went straight into the dream without getting SP, how would i know if i'm in a dream or not (would the setting change, or would i be in a bedroom setting)?

Thanks!

(Motionless) Reality Checks

Like closing your wind pipe would work. But I usually try to float out of my body (obe)
I got a great tutorial for that - http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/guaran...onight-137941/ -

Any questions - Leave me a PM.

I can describe how a transition usually is experienced by me and perhaps it gives a more clear picture of how it can be like.

Remember though that only see this as inspiration not fact, the best source of knowledge is your own experience.

I will describe a transition from a DEILD.

I wake up and realize that I have woke up, I look at my alarmclock and I write down the time of my awakening. I see that it is still night and that it is to early to get up.
I notice that my awareness feels a little different, sort of like a dream feels, a bit hazy and well it's impossible for me describe what I feel, but you will now what I mean if you feel it, it's a different awareness than usually anyway. I then perform a reality check to make sure that I am not dreaming.
Then I choose a comfortable posture, usually on my side and I start daydreaming, the different awareness somehow makes me my visualization get life on it's own, I don't control exactly what I think about, I mgiht think about walking around my house, but it gets filled with random things. Like sometimeI might see a random woman walking around and sometime I might see a giant flower in the middle of my room. Remember that this is still noly a daydream but it more vivid than usual.

Then I continue to vizualize for some time until I feel like I am there! (The best feeling in the world). You just realize that the visualization is no longer a daydream, but your new reality!

This is a kind of fast transition that happens if you time REM with your awakening and DEILD attempt.

What you should look for in a WILD attempt is changes of your emotions, strange stray thoughts (subconscious or memory) and strange sensations.

You might for example suddenly think "No the bear is in the kitchen sink! Stop her Claudia!" but then you suddenly regain awareness and think "What bear and who is Caludia? o. O" I reach this state from time to time but I only transition if I manage to hold my awareness on the stray thought, also called hypnagogic imagery. This is usually naturally stable if you are in REM so if the time is right it will be automatic.
Although one also has to be in REM in order to transition (I think so anyway) so it's not always possible to transition, which is why a WBTB or a DEILD is recommended.

Another important note is that if you feel any strange sensations like see a bright light and realize that you are in your room, realize instantly that any strange experience is a sign of the dream so get up of the dreambed you probably are in! If you feel strange sensations, focus your awareness on them to increase the intensity of them and then get out of "bed"!

Good luck

Try to think that your dreams is an experience of yourself, so be aware of your thoughts and yourself in order to be aware of the dream!

Sweet dreams!

Do you daydream with your eyes open or closed? Or does it not matter?

Originally Posted by BananaWackeys

Do you daydream with your eyes open or closed? Or does it not matter?

Closed eyes, never tried with open eyes though. But intuitively that's how we fall asleep which is required in order to DEILD.

Originally Posted by MasterMind

Like sometimeI might see a random woman walking around and sometime I might see a giant flower in the middle of my room. Remember that this is still noly a daydream but it more vivid than usual.

Originally Posted by BananaWackeys

Do you daydream with your eyes open or closed? Or does it not matter?

My question exactly everytime someone describes a WILD experience. How can you SEE something walking around, if you're just lying in your bed with eyes closed? I think you mean imagine it, but SEE it? I can't grasp that concept, since never have I seen something so clearly, let alone in a known environment, as my apartment.

Originally Posted by gndiego

My question exactly everytime someone describes a WILD experience. How can you SEE something walking around, if you're just lying in your bed with eyes closed? I think you mean imagine it, but SEE it? I can't grasp that concept, since never have I seen something so clearly, let alone in a known environment, as my apartment.

It's not seen with your physical eyes, although it's not imagined either. It's the awareness of the subconscious mind and thereby already a part of a dream. Likewise a normal dream isn't imagined consciously right? You see it with your mind's eye but it's not consciously created by you.

You think with your mind's eye all the time, with just one sentence I will make you think with the mind's eye.
"Close your eyes and think of your kitchen" - don't you just sort of "see" something?

Although when you are WILDing random images can appear and they will be much more vivid and "real".

good to know, thanks. although i think i'll never wild successfully lol

Originally Posted by gndiego

good to know, thanks. although i think i'll never wild successfully lol

Not with that attitude ...

No but serriously if you think it is so difficult, change the perspective and convert the problem to a positive outcome. Instead of following the instructions of WILD to WILD.
Follow the insructions of WILD to DILD! Your probably look like this now:

But what I mean is that you shouldn't look at falling asleep during a WILD as such a big deal, in fact it's even an oppurtunity to raise the critical thinking in a dream.

I will explain:

There are two systems of the brain that we need to know about, and to not go into too much detail I will just generally describe what they are.
Cholinergic sytem - Chemicals that makes you dream. Aminergic system - Chemicals that governs critical thinking. <- This is not the only reasons to critical thinking and dreaming but it's enough to know about for our purpose.

When you perform your WILD attempt and have closed eyes and relax you will soon start to feel slight vibrations that is a sign that the body is getting relaxed, you will also experience hypnagogia which is strange and random thoughts or tiny experiences experienced through the mind's eye, once a again we can simplify it to subconscious thoughts that you now are aware of.
Although when you feel these sensations you will feel less and less aware because you don't think critically of this hypnaogia, this is not your fault your, aminergic system is naturally decreasing and perhaps the cholinergic is slightly increasing and cause the hypnagogia (just an idea).

But now try to see the system infront of you.

When you just use MILD you set an intent and fall asleep and when you start dreaming it look like this
Aminergic system |_10%_|___________________________________| WORST CASE SCENARIO: 0%!!! <-- Common dreaming state.
Cholinergic system|_______________70%_______________________|

If your intent didn't went as you wanted it to (many reasons for that, I will not go into that here) it is not very likely for you to get lucid.
Your intent can spike the aminergic system from nowhere as we dream and that is a mystery, but in a sense inductions with just intention is more advanced to me than to WILD. Because I don't understand the exact mechanics behind it. I mean with free will we can raise an arm, but with free delayed will we can raise the aminergic system of our brain? WOAH! Think about that for a moment. ^-^

However! If you WILD and try to stay aware as your body sleeps also called conscious sleep, well then it might look like this when you finally fall asleep. While we are awake the aminergic system is active, when we are sleeping unconsciously it decreases.

Aminergic system |________________55%______________|
Cholinergic system|____________________80%__________|

Now you you failed your WILD attempt, but you increased your chance for a DILD. And it is in fact really likely for you to become lucid

So the longer you stay awake the more active the aminergic system will be and there is more critical thinking in he dream from your part.

So you can WILD in order to DILD and you can by misstake succeed the WILD but your goal is DILD - that is just a motivating persective

This is how I both practise WILD and DILD at the same time and I even do it as I go to sleep and my lucid dreams is nowadays usually in the first or second REM cycle.

And also my intent of staying aware is direct while I WILD but indirect when I DILD because that's the last thing I think about subconsciously when I fall asleep.

I hope this motivates you to WILD. Remember though that this is not solid science, but it's hopefully motivating.

Thank you all so much, i'll try what MasterMind said tonight :3

Originally Posted by MasterMind

I can describe how a transition usually is experienced by me and perhaps it gives a more clear picture of how it can be like.

Remember though that only see this as inspiration not fact, the best source of knowledge is your own experience.

I will describe a transition from a DEILD.

I wake up and realize that I have woke up, I look at my alarmclock and I write down the time of my awakening. I see that it is still night and that it is to early to get up.
I notice that my awareness feels a little different, sort of like a dream feels, a bit hazy and well it's impossible for me describe what I feel, but you will now what I mean if you feel it, it's a different awareness than usually anyway. I then perform a reality check to make sure that I am not dreaming.
Then I choose a comfortable posture, usually on my side and I start daydreaming, the different awareness somehow makes me my visualization get life on it's own, I don't control exactly what I think about, I mgiht think about walking around my house, but it gets filled with random things. Like sometimeI might see a random woman walking around and sometime I might see a giant flower in the middle of my room. Remember that this is still noly a daydream but it more vivid than usual.

Then I continue to vizualize for some time until I feel like I am there! (The best feeling in the world). You just realize that the visualization is no longer a daydream, but your new reality!

This is a kind of fast transition that happens if you time REM with your awakening and DEILD attempt.

What you should look for in a WILD attempt is changes of your emotions, strange stray thoughts (subconscious or memory) and strange sensations.

You might for example suddenly think "No the bear is in the kitchen sink! Stop her Claudia!" but then you suddenly regain awareness and think "What bear and who is Caludia? o. O" I reach this state from time to time but I only transition if I manage to hold my awareness on the stray thought, also called hypnagogic imagery. This is usually naturally stable if you are in REM so if the time is right it will be automatic.
Although one also has to be in REM in order to transition (I think so anyway) so it's not always possible to transition, which is why a WBTB or a DEILD is recommended.

Another important note is that if you feel any strange sensations like see a bright light and realize that you are in your room, realize instantly that any strange experience is a sign of the dream so get up of the dreambed you probably are in! If you feel strange sensations, focus your awareness on them to increase the intensity of them and then get out of "bed"!

Good luck

Try to think that your dreams is an experience of yourself, so be aware of your thoughts and yourself in order to be aware of the dream!

Sweet dreams!

If i were to try to the daydream thing, should i wake myself up a bit first, or just have at it as soon as i do a reality check?

There is no exact answer every attempt is different. Sometimes you might "feel" that it is better to wake up a bit and then daydream, but sometimes it can feel better to just do the attempt right away.

You'll learn by doing.

Thanks again mastermind!

You are very welcome