WILD help?

[JackB318]

Okay, so last night I was trying WILD and after laying there for 40 minutes, I was half conscious, half unconscious and suddenly I was fully conscious and my heart started pounding like it never has before. It felt like it could've burst from my chest at any point. I also felt like I was moving around my bed a little. I carried on staying still until it stopped beating hard and I stopped moving. I was slightly sweating but I had all of my breath so I knew it was a hallucination but it went so I thought I'd look into my eyelids to see if I could see a dream appearing but I couldn't. I could see the darkness moving a little but nothing I could make out. After about another 2 or 3 minutes, I decided to see if I could move or if I was in SP or actually dreaming. So I lifted my hand and looked to see if I was dreaming but it looked the same but had black dots on it and looked like it was a bit pixellated but I wasn't dreaming and I could fully move. I think it was because I had been used to the dark so I couldn't see much. I moved roughly 45 minutes after I started laying down? So my questions are; What do I do at this point? Do I let the hallucinations go and wait some more or do I try to keep them there? What do I do? Also, is there any other WILD tips anyone has? I sleep on my front too, I think that might set me back a bit.

[Scionox]

Firstly, SP has nothing to do with WILD or even lucid dreaming in general, SP is a very rare experience unless sleep disorder and it's impossible to induce, http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...mystified.html Secondly, WILDing when going to sleep normally is the worst time to WILD, success is rare in those cases, you need to use WBTB or WILD during naps. And finally, for WILD you need to fall asleep while being aware, it's not about just laying here or waiting, nor about position, i strongly suggest checking out those tutorials: http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...cid-dream.html http://www.dreamviews.com/wild/

[JackB318]

Firstly, SP has nothing to do with WILD or even lucid dreaming in general, SP is a very rare experience unless sleep disorder and it's impossible to induce, Secondly, WILDing when going to sleep normally is the worst time to WILD, success is rare in those cases, you need to use WBTB or WILD during naps. And finally, for WILD you need to fall asleep while being aware, it's not about just laying here or waiting, nor about position, i strongly suggest checking out those tutorials: I'll check out the links, thanks I did read a tutorial yesterday by King someone so I tried to follow that. I did plan to WBTB aswell but after I had attempted WILD, it was hard to get back to sleep because I was so conscious so I wanted to have a good nights rest. I will bare that in mind though and attempt it only during WBTB, thanks What do you mean by 'it's not about just laying here or waiting'? I thought you were supposed to wait for your body to be asleep and you to be awake? Or for hallucinations to start happening? Can I lay in any position too? So what was the heart beating in the middle of my chest and me feeling like I moved around my bed? Did that mean anything? What happened to me? Thanks a lot for your help

[Meskhetyw]

You can WILD at the start of the night if you wish, but don't expect quick results, and most importantly, don't get frustrated at failure, as this will ruin your practice more than anything. Use it as a sort of practice session if you want a challenge, but it is definitely not the way to go if all you want is a good lucid dream now and then. I also highly recommend WBTB until you get a good fill of LDs to satisfy you. When trying WILD (the hard way), you may have any number of (sometimes violent) sensations, like intense vibrations and heart beat issues. These should lessen with practice, but you may find that WBTB is much smoother as you do not have to fight so much and can let go easier. Yes, you can be in any comfortable position that you normally get sleep in.

[JackB318]

You can WILD at the start of the night if you wish, but don't expect quick results, and most importantly, don't get frustrated at failure, as this will ruin your practice more than anything. Use it as a sort of practice session if you want a challenge, but it is definitely not the way to go if all you want is a good lucid dream now and then. I also highly recommend WBTB until you get a good fill of LDs to satisfy you. When trying WILD (the hard way), you may have any number of (sometimes violent) sensations, like intense vibrations and heart beat issues. These should lessen with practice, but you may find that WBTB is much smoother as you do not have to fight so much and can let go easier. Yes, you can be in any comfortable position that you normally get sleep in. Don't worry, I'm not frustrated, I'm kinda fascinated by the experience as I expected something different and I have never hallucinated in my life. When you say it isn't the way to go, do you mean WILD without WBTB? By 'WILD (the hard way)' do you mean WILD without WBTB again? Would you be able to describe to me what it feels like going through the WILD process? Thanks a lot

[Meskhetyw]

Yes, yes, and yeah. From another post: "The answer to your next question is a long one; so I suggest checking out some of the tutorials that explain this in detail. The short answer: don't worry because you can't miss it. Any number of sensations may or may not arise; if you are using imagery, then the images will become realistic and you can enter the dream. If you are not using images, ultimately you will feel a "shift" after which you can just get up into the dream. Usually if I use images it is smooth, but if I am not I usually get vibrations and static noise in my ear, from there I can get up or wait until I float. This is an oversimplification, as you can enter in any combination of ways really. You can use images and then cancel or banish them; likewise you can enter directly and then create a dream scene as you enter. Just know that if you try too stubbornly to hold on to your awareness you will not fall asleep. Err on the side of sleep every time and your practice may be more successful, or at least less frustrating." Don't be confused by the details; your first WILD will likely be intuitive when you reach a certain point.

[JackB318]

Yes, yes, and yeah. From another post: "The answer to your next question is a long one; so I suggest checking out some of the tutorials that explain this in detail. The short answer: don't worry because you can't miss it. Any number of sensations may or may not arise; if you are using imagery, then the images will become realistic and you can enter the dream. If you are not using images, ultimately you will feel a "shift" after which you can just get up into the dream. Usually if I use images it is smooth, but if I am not I usually get vibrations and static noise in my ear, from there I can get up or wait until I float. This is an oversimplification, as you can enter in any combination of ways really. You can use images and then cancel or banish them; likewise you can enter directly and then create a dream scene as you enter. Just know that if you try too stubbornly to hold on to your awareness you will not fall asleep. Err on the side of sleep every time and your practice may be more successful, or at least less frustrating." Don't be confused by the details; your first WILD will likely be intuitive when you reach a certain point. When he says 'I use images' what does he mean? Thanks by the way

[Meskhetyw]

I was referring to the method of following images. If you are familiar with the fleeting images that come and go right before you fall asleep you'll know what I mean. I get them as soon as I close my eyes and make the intention to sleep. I often just make them go away if I am performing a WILD, but they can be used. In one WILD method, you passively observe these images until they become more and more real of their own accord. They become the dream, or you can step into them.

[JackB318]

I was referring to the method of following images. If you are familiar with the fleeting images that come and go right before you fall asleep you'll know what I mean. I get them as soon as I close my eyes and make the intention to sleep. I often just make them go away if I am performing a WILD, but they can be used. In one WILD method, you passively observe these images until they become more and more real of their own accord. They become the dream, or you can step into them. Oh, I never see images when I close my eyes or have the intention to sleep? I never have done either. The only time I do is when I'm dreaming I guess. All I see is blackness. Unless you mean you imagine the images yourself?

[Meskhetyw]

Okay. In that case just focus on the blackness then, or rather quiet your mind and fall asleep the way you normally do while intending to retain some awareness. You can create an image yourself, but I wouldn't try that right away.

[melanieb]

One of the Dream Guides here on the forum used counting and visualization to maintain his awareness. His description said he would lie in his bed with his eyes closed and when he started feeling sleepy he would begin counting silently in his mind and visualize the numbers floating in the black space. Every time he lost count or felt like he skipped a number he would start over from the beginning. This enabled him to retain his awareness and gauge his progress towards a dream-state. Keep in mind he did this after several hours of initial restorative sleep using the WBTB method. I have successfully tried it and found that counting was a neat way to help maintain awareness.

[Scionox]

What do you mean by 'it's not about just laying here or waiting'? I thought you were supposed to wait for your body to be asleep and you to be awake? Or for hallucinations to start happening? Can I lay in any position too? So what was the heart beating in the middle of my chest and me feeling like I moved around my bed? Did that mean anything? What happened to me? Because if you focus on waiting it can make it harder to fall asleep. Hallucinations can indeed be used to enter WILD if done right, but again, you should not focus on waiting for them, if they happen, use them if you want, if they don't, then don't wait for them and continue process, i have done WILD alot of times when there were almost to none hallucinations, i suggest checking out this thread as well http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...ntry-wild.html And yes, you can lay in any position, just make sure it's comfortable and that you can fall asleep in it, i recommend your usual sleeping position. As for heart beating, most likely it was just one of hallucinations, moving definitely was, hallucinations can be tactile and sounds like you have experienced them.

[JackB318]

Okay. In that case just focus on the blackness then, or rather quiet your mind and fall asleep the way you normally do while intending to retain some awareness. You can create an image yourself, but I wouldn't try that right away. Okay, I'll make sure I try do that. Thanks One of the Dream Guides here on the forum used counting and visualization to maintain his awareness. His description said he would lie in his bed with his eyes closed and when he started feeling sleepy he would begin counting silently in his mind and visualize the numbers floating in the black space. Every time he lost count or felt like he skipped a number he would start over from the beginning. This enabled him to retain his awareness and gauge his progress towards a dream-state. Keep in mind he did this after several hours of initial restorative sleep using the WBTB method. I have successfully tried it and found that counting was a neat way to help maintain awareness. Thanks for the reply, I'll try it out when I can Because if you focus on waiting it can make it harder to fall asleep. Hallucinations can indeed be used to enter WILD if done right, but again, you should not focus on waiting for them, if they happen, use them if you want, if they don't, then don't wait for them and continue process, i have done WILD alot of times when there were almost to none hallucinations, i suggest checking out this thread as well And yes, you can lay in any position, just make sure it's comfortable and that you can fall asleep in it, i recommend your usual sleeping position. As for heart beating, most likely it was just one of hallucinations, moving definitely was, hallucinations can be tactile and sounds like you have experienced them. Oh okay how long would it usually take for a WILD? Like if I did a WBTB and then tried WILD and I was laying there for about an hour, should I give up or what? I'll try not to focus on the waiting too. I should hope my heart was a hallucination too haha :') it felt as if it was coming out of my chest, bursting through my ribcage. How will I know when I am ready to enter the dream? Is it obvious? Sorry for all the questions, I appreciate your help

[Scionox]

Oh okay how long would it usually take for a WILD? Like if I did a WBTB and then tried WILD and I was laying there for about an hour, should I give up or what? How will I know when I am ready to enter the dream? Is it obvious? It varies, if the conditions are good it can be quite quick and matter of few minutes, but if you are not timed well with REM it might take a bit of time to get through NREM but that should not take too long, though an hour is most likely too long and/or you are possible too awake to fall back to sleep. As for entering the dream, you will enter full fledged dream when you will fall asleep and reach REM, you just have to keep awareness, you will most likely feel when you will be in dream, especially if you use one of entry types from link i posted earlier, but even if you wont see anything there's just that distinct feel of dream, overall though, entry experiences vary from person to person. Also just in case, do reality check after you wake up from WILD, as false awakening can be one of the WILD outcomes sometimes.

[JackB318]

It varies, if the conditions are good it can be quite quick and matter of few minutes, but if you are not timed well with REM it might take a bit of time to get through NREM but that should not take too long, though an hour is most likely too long and/or you are possible too awake to fall back to sleep. As for entering the dream, you will enter full fledged dream when you will fall asleep and reach REM, you just have to keep awareness, you will most likely feel when you will be in dream, especially if you use one of entry types from link i posted earlier, but even if you wont see anything there's just that distinct feel of dream, overall though, entry experiences vary from person to person. Also just in case, do reality check after you wake up from WILD, as false awakening can be one of the WILD outcomes sometimes. Yeah, after I sent that comment, I looked at the link you sent and it helped a lot in knowing when What would you say is the maximum time to wait? To fall asleep, is it like you just fall to sleep or is it different to usual? because when I fall to sleep I just wake up in the morning with memories of dreams. Is it different with WILDing? Like do you see it before your eyes, it just happens or do you have to let it happen yourself like it usually does - by kinda losing consciousness? Thanks

[Scionox]

It's same physically, but different mentally, you need to keep being aware of falling asleep using an anchor, like counting anchor that melanieb mentioned earlier, another anchor would be mantra for example, there are many possible anchors but the best one varies from person to person, experiment and find the one which works best for you. Also you need to balance how much awareness you put into anchor in a way to have enough awareness to become aware of when dream starts and you fall asleep, while still being able to fall asleep. Generally you will see dream starting, yeah, or feel it in some way, but it's something that varies from person to person as well. As for the time if you can't fall asleep at all for half of hour or so then you may be too awake, other than that, don't focus on waiting as i said before, WILD is not something one should wait for, WILD is something that comes. Relax, be aware and enjoy the experience.

[JackB318]

It's same physically, but different mentally, you need to keep being aware of falling asleep using an anchor, like counting anchor that melanieb mentioned earlier, another anchor would be mantra for example, there are many possible anchors but the best one varies from person to person, experiment and find the one which works best for you. Also you need to balance how much awareness you put into anchor in a way to have enough awareness to become aware of when dream starts and you fall asleep, while still being able to fall asleep. Generally you will see dream starting, yeah, or feel it in some way, but it's something that varies from person to person as well. As for the time if you can't fall asleep at all for half of hour or so then you may be too awake, other than that, don't focus on waiting as i said before, WILD is not something one should wait for, WILD is something that comes. Relax, be aware and enjoy the experience. Oh right okay, so stay awake mentally with an anchor, right. I'll try an anchor the next chance I get I tried last night and my WILD completely failed, I think it was because of not being tired enough as I went bed earlier than I use to and so woke up earlier from WBTB. The thing is though, I had a dream where I was laying in my bed and I was extremely tired so I tried WILD and fell asleep (still in my dream) and had a lucid dream. I went to sleep in my dream and had a lucid dream. When I was going sleep in my dream, my dream appeared before my eyes and then I was suddenly sitting on the edge of my bed so I did the reality check of looking at my hands and I had 5 on one and 7 on the other. I tried to stand up and move but something was stopping me for some reason, probably because it was a dream in a dream. Afterwards, I don't know what happened but I think I woke up from the lucid dream and started talking to my mum, still in a dream. Confusing. Sounded like my brain was telling me to try WILD when I'm real tired, sounds like it'd make sense

[Scionox]

Oh right okay, so stay awake mentally with an anchor, right. I'll try an anchor the next chance I get I tried last night and my WILD completely failed, I think it was because of not being tired enough as I went bed earlier than I use to and so woke up earlier from WBTB. The thing is though, I had a dream where I was laying in my bed and I was extremely tired so I tried WILD and fell asleep (still in my dream) and had a lucid dream. I went to sleep in my dream and had a lucid dream. When I was going sleep in my dream, my dream appeared before my eyes and then I was suddenly sitting on the edge of my bed so I did the reality check of looking at my hands and I had 5 on one and 7 on the other. I tried to stand up and move but something was stopping me for some reason, probably because it was a dream in a dream. Afterwards, I don't know what happened but I think I woke up from the lucid dream and started talking to my mum, still in a dream. Confusing. Sounded like my brain was telling me to try WILD when I'm real tired, sounds like it'd make sense Pretty much, and balance that to still be able to fall asleep. Congrats on lucid dream by the way! Not sure what was stopping you, maybe you were having some kind of doubt? It doesn't matters if it's 'dream within dream' since those are just fancy scene changes, WILD from dream counts as DILD, but it can pretty much feel like WILD and be just as good, i have 'WILDed' from within dreams many times, dreams are amazing.

[JackB318]

Pretty much, and balance that to still be able to fall asleep. Congrats on lucid dream by the way! Not sure what was stopping you, maybe you were having some kind of doubt? It doesn't matters if it's 'dream within dream' since those are just fancy scene changes, WILD from dream counts as DILD, but it can pretty much feel like WILD and be just as good, i have 'WILDed' from within dreams many times, dreams are amazing. Oh okay I'll try Thanks I dont think it's doubt, I think it's just timings. For example, I think I need to try DEILD or something similar like WBTB with WILD but without waiting as long. I stayed up for about 5-10 minutes and I think I must have been too awake. It's a shame that I didn't get to fully experience my lucid dream, but I'm happy