Why WILD is uncertain method

**Nfri** · 11-19-2014 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

1. Let's break down our sleep stages: NREM 1 (you call this HI), 2 (you call this light sleep), and 3 (you call this deep sleep) and, of course, REM. Let's just assume we can disregard 3 (or deep/"delta" sleep) if we're starting after 4.5 hrs or so. So that leaves us with 1, 2 and REM

I don't call the first stage NREM, on the contrary, I claim it's REM like. Let's say minor REM. So you have:

1. minor REM (or HI, HH, dreamlets...)
2. light sleep
3. deep sleep
4. REM

So after ''4,5 hrs'' wbtb with well performed induction you have 3 possibilities:

1. minor REM -> REM = WILD
2. minor REM -> short light sleep -> REM = DILD
3. minor REM -> long light sleep or even deep sleep -> REM = NON LUCID DREAMS

(even if this understanding is "intuitive" rather than "textbook) is by far more important than technique.

My theory is result of long-term observation and analysis. I've bought eeg sensor so now I measure my hypothesis. I've already 4 results which 100% match my theory. But I need more experiments to be sure... and then I gonna public it here.

Sleep stages are easily distrubed by almost everything. So these texbook hypnograms mostly doesn't correspond with reality.

**LDman** · 11-19-2014 03:11 PM

If I may ad my 2 cents to this discussion, most if not all of my WILDs that resulted in an LD were after an artificial awakening (alarm), so far if I wake up naturally I can lay still for a long time till I eventually fall asleep or stay up till morning so I stop my WILD-attempts then in favor of having a decent rest.
I also notice being woken up by alarm makes me feel more tired than when I wake up naturally.

**Nfri** · 11-20-2014 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by LDman

most if not all of my WILDs that resulted in an LD were after an artificial awakening (alarm)

This is one way, because when you are woken up by alarm in the middle of REM, there is high chance to jump back continue in REM. I don't recommend this, I personally don't use any alarms and prefer to wake up on my intention whenever I want... Offensive alarm with bad timing may ruin sleep ergo your all day performance.

**LDman** · 11-20-2014 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Nfri

This is one way, because when you are woken up by alarm in the middle of REM, there is high chance to jump back continue in REM. I don't recommend this, I personally don't use any alarms and prefer to wake up on my intention whenever I want... Offensive alarm with bad timing may ruin sleep ergo your all day performance.

Oh, I'm used to shattered sleeping in the early moring as everyone here has to get up at different times so I'm often woken up up to 3 times before it's my time to get out. (Usually around 08:00)

**Nfri** · 04-30-2015 12:06 PM

Another proof that my theory NREM stages are barriers for lucidity.

Last night I raised my acethylcholine in my brain which should led to REM stages without NREM barriers and that's what exactly happened.

I laid down feeling sleepy and relax. Soon there are dreamlets/hypnagogic/unintended vizualization or whatever you like to call it. I believe that this is the phase when you losing your consciousness and when NREM hits, you have no consciousness left.

I had little awareness left in these dreamlets. I saw some trees in the forest. The dreamlets become more vivid, which indicated me that I'm in the middle of transition into REM phase and not into the NREM barrier. I focused on the visualization and then BOOOOOM, the REM hits! The forest become real and I'm in lucid dream.

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