Thread: Why WILD is uncertain method

This picutre should show you why wild is uncertain method.

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*note:

WAKE = waking state
HI = hypnagogic imagery ( thief of consciousness, it is necessary prior to LS, DS or REM)
LS = light sleep
DS = deep sleep








possibilities are:

1)wake->hi->ls->ds->ls->rem = no wild

2)wake->hi->ls->rem = no wild

3)wake->hi->rem = no wild

4)wake->any wild technique->hi->rem = wild

What I want to say is that WILD is not mainly do the technique correctly but to know how to control or predict this body phases and aim only for wake-any wild technique-hi rem. This is most important in WILD.

Hey Nfri, I have a theory that it's not as simple as that.
My WILDs (mostly supplement assisted, but a few naturally) occur I think by waiting until the brain's chemistry is suited to REM, simply by staying awake.
I tend to wake up at the end of each REM period. All my WILDs have then happened about an hour to 1.5 hours later, simply by waiting until the next REM period comes round.
It suggests that if you just go to sleep and don't intervene, then yes, your diagrams are correct, but you can force yourself to stay awake through the LS and DS periods.
At least that's what it feels liek to me.

Hi Goldenspark!

Originally Posted by Goldenspark

Hey Nfri, I have a theory that it's not as simple as that.

Sure it's not that simple, I just wanted to simply show my idea why I think wild is not easy.

I think by waiting until the brain's chemistry is suited to REM, simply by staying awake.

but you can force yourself to stay awake through the LS and DS periods.

So do you think that lenght of WBTB influence sleep pattern? I don't think that if your body has light sleep on schedule you can wait awake instead of light or deep sleep and then continue REM.

My wilds occur when I wake up from REM and then, after I fall asleep again, my body continues the same phase - REM. This is what is essential for wilding.

That picture actually showed the most important reason why many techniques like WILD, FILD, DEILD and also SSILD fail. In fact , we attempt them maybe at a wrong time which our brain wave is not suitable to have LD. Maybe that's why people who are master in DILD , have always success in LD. Because practicing DILD is not depended on which sleeping state we are while falling sleep.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by yaya

That picture actually showed the most important reason why many techniques like WILD, FILD, DEILD and also SSILD fail. In fact , we attempt them maybe at a wrong time which our brain wave is not suitable to have LD. Maybe that's why people who are master in DILD , have always success in LD. Because practicing DILD is not depended on which sleeping state we are while falling sleep.

Thanks!

I thank you yaya, you nicely summarized my point

I guess people are all different, but as I understand it, the various sleep states are dominated by hormone balance, where a shift in hormones causes a shift in state, e.g. the drift from nREM into REM.

I find I quite often wake at the end of REM, and my memory of how vivid the dream is is stronger just as I wake. I've not been able to DEILD from this state (I've tried quite a lot). It seems like the REM period is over and I can't get back to it.

Originally Posted by Goldenspark

I find I quite often wake at the end of REM, and my memory of how vivid the dream is is stronger just as I wake. I've not been able to DEILD from this state (I've tried quite a lot). It seems like the REM period is over and I can't get back to it.

Yes, I usually wake up at the end of REM and I'm unable to wild as well. But if I'm accidentally (flatmate, girlfriend or outside noises) woken up in the midle of REM, then it's easy to DEILD or VILD for me.

the various sleep states are dominated by hormone balance, where a shift in hormones causes a shift in state, e.g. the drift from nREM into REM.

I guess I need to learn more about this stuff.

*sigh* So ideally, we need to wake up after a dream (REM), and go directly into another REM period? And doesn't deep sleep cease to happen after roughly 4.5 hours of sleep, as shown in charts like this one? If so, what we would need to do is wake up naturally after 4-5 or more hours of sleep, after a dream (in REM), do a WILD technique and pray that REM sleep comes next instead of light sleep, lol.
Or of course, aim for a REM period and try to wake up right during it. But has this been proven effective? How many people figured the hour they need to wake up at and had a successful WILD? Because I've always only heard minimal discussion of the importance of waking up at the right time, and if it really boosted the chances considerably, I imagine people would talk about it more. Most people only talk about the WILD techniques themselves.

Also, would it be okay to try WILD twice in the same morning, by waking up in one REM period (after 5 hours of sleep), and then if that fails, try the next one (after 6.5 hours)? Would that disturb the body's sleep pattern, or would it ignore the fact that you woke up and continue its usual schedule?

Originally Posted by mimihigurashi

And doesn't deep sleep cease to happen after roughly 4.5 hours of sleep, as shown in [URL="http://www.luciddreamexplorers.com/dreamscience/sleep_cycle_REM_8_hour_graph.jpg"]charts like this one[/UR

Hey mimihigurashi, good remarks.

First about those sleep charts - Everyone has different sleep pattern every night. Factors that affect it are for example food, drink, lenght of sleep previous nights, depression, emotion, illness, number of awakening last night, age and so on. If you are healthy and avoiding all substances that affect sleep (caffeine, alcohol...) and you have solid sleep routine, then your sleep patterns are similar, not the same, but similar. I'm in deep sleep phase only in the first 3 hours of sleep usually.

This is why it's complicated to know, when your REM is and when is ideal to wake up for wild and how long to be awake. I don't have recipe for this so far.

Or of course, aim for a REM period and try to wake up right during it. But has this been proven effective?

I think this is the best way because I had wilds only in this case, so I've got it proven on myself.

Because I've always only heard minimal discussion of the importance of waking up at the right time, and if it really boosted the chances considerably, I imagine people would talk about it more. Most people only talk about the WILD techniques themselves.

I think that this is why so many people failing at wilds so often. Everybody talks about how you should move your finger or ass or whatever, what you should think and how you should lie and other crap. I don't care about this, wild is easy for me under the right conditions - rem-wake-hi-rem. If I'm lucky to have this ''brain chemistry'' I usualy use basic visualization to enter a lucid dream. It's really easy. But if I'm not lucky in the condition, I will never have WILD. If there is light or deep sleep after, I sometimes have DILD but that depends on light sleep a deep sleep phases lenght ahead of REM.

Also, would it be okay to try WILD twice in the same morning, by waking up in one REM period (after 5 hours of sleep), and then if that fails, try the next one (after 6.5 hours)? Would that disturb the body's sleep pattern, or would it ignore the fact that you woke up and continue its usual schedule?

I wouldn't agree. Yes it would change your sleep pattern, but not disturb. (if you aren't using alarm and wake up naturally)

Originally Posted by Nfri

If you are healthy and avoiding all substances that affect sleep (caffeine, alcohol...) and you have solid sleep routine, then your sleep patterns are similar, not the same, but similar. I'm in deep sleep phase only in the first 3 hours of sleep usually.

Is that so? Well, lucky me then, I fit those criteria. So the more routine and normal your life is, the more likely you are to have a normal sleep cycle, makes sense. I did go through my dream journal out of curiousity, I wish I had marked the fall asleep and awake time of more successful WILDs I had in the past, but from the few that I found with time details written, they all coincided with the patterns indicated in the sleep charts, the WILDs were successful roughly after 5 and 6.5 hours of sleep, during the 3rd and 4th REM period. I'm going to start experimenting with this from tomorrow morning on.

I think that this is why so many people failing at wilds so often. Everybody talks about how you should move your finger or ass or whatever, what you should think and how you should lie and other crap. I don't care about this, wild is easy for me under the right conditions - rem-wake-hi-rem. If I'm lucky to have this ''brain chemistry'' I usualy use basic visualization to enter a lucid dream. It's really easy. But if I'm not lucky in the condition, I will never have WILD. If there is light or deep sleep after, I sometimes have DILD but that depends on light sleep a deep sleep phases lenght ahead of REM.

Amen to that. I'm definitely no expert but I think it makes a lot of sense that the time at which you attempt WILD is the most important, the technique is secondary. There's a thread that's been going on for a while now called "Testing SSILD for a month" or something, and now I wonder how many of those people are actually waking up at the right time. It's possible that a large chunk is waking up in light sleep, attempts SSILD, it fails because REM is not next on the list, and blame the failure on something else, even SSILD itself.

I wonder what some of our proficient WILDers would think about this (sivason, Sageous, anotherdreamer--if I left you out, no offense). "Waiting around" for another REM period seems suspect to me, though Daniel Love recommends this in his book. I am guessing it is really a matter of attention. If you are sble to maintain focus throughout yhe transition, shouldn't be a big deal. Also, isnt the NREM barrier super thin in the morning? Almost all of my WILDs have occurred early/late morning, with an almost automatic drop into REM.

Originally Posted by ThreeCat

I wonder what some of our proficient WILDers would think about this (sivason, Sageous, anotherdreamer--if I left you out, no offense). "Waiting around" for another REM period seems suspect to me, though Daniel Love recommends this in his book. I am guessing it is really a matter of attention. If you are sble to maintain focus throughout yhe transition, shouldn't be a big deal. Also, isnt the NREM barrier super thin in the morning? Almost all of my WILDs have occurred early/late morning, with an almost automatic drop into REM.

Hi ThreeCat, the waiting around thing may just be me. It's possible that I am just not accomplished enough to drop back into REM after an awakening at the end of, or during, a REM episode.
I have been trying to lie still on waking to go back in, but I find that really hard!

Originally Posted by ThreeCat

I wonder what some of our proficient WILDers would think about this (sivason, Sageous, anotherdreamer--if I left you out, no offense). "Waiting around" for another REM period seems suspect to me, though Daniel Love recommends this in his book. I am guessing it is really a matter of attention. If you are sble to maintain focus throughout yhe transition, shouldn't be a big deal. Also, isnt the NREM barrier super thin in the morning? Almost all of my WILDs have occurred early/late morning, with an almost automatic drop into REM.

Whatever problems someone might have getting past the NREM barrier in WILD are miniscule in comparison to the problems inherent to DILD.

Originally Posted by cmind

Whatever problems someone might have getting past the NREM barrier in WILD are miniscule in comparison to the problems inherent to DILD.

Then why are DILDs more common?

Originally Posted by ThreeCat

Then why are DILDs more common?

I doubt successful DILDs are more common. But why do more people try to DILD than WILD? A few reasons:

1) The way lucid dreaming is usually described in common parlance is actually a DILD. "Realize that you're dreaming while you're in a dream". This is precisely what a DILD is, and most people aren't even aware that there's this whole other set of techniques called WILD that operate on a fundamentally different principle.

2) For those who know about WILD, it sounds scarier. It's true, the transition between wake and sleep can be compared to a very intense drug experience. However, it's usually very short and it's not scary while you're actually doing it. Furthermore, people may associate WILD with sleep paralysis, which is a common myth but is incorrect.

3) People who are interested in lucid dreaming might find the whole "all day awareness" thing with DILD to be more aesthetically pleasing. It's more "spiritual" or some bullshit.

Now, why is WILD superior?

1) You're starting from a position of strength; of full awareness. DILD requires you to start from a position of weakness, when you're totally non-lucid, and then somehow become lucid. This is exactly akin to a schizophrenic person curing themselves of their delusions without any outside help. It's a big feat, but not attainable by most people.

2) WILD does not require any daytime activities. None of this "reality checking" silliness that DILD people like to make themselves do.

3) If you want to chain lucid dreams, you're going to have to WILD anyway. So might as well just WILD to begin with.

You're obviously very opinionated about this, cmind, and write from the perspective of "having it all figured out," but keep in mind that just because you've come up with a mindset or explanation that makes sense to you, doesn't mean that it's "truth," or that it applies to everybody (or anybody). I think you have acquired a number of misconceptions along the way.

One could very well state that DILD is approaching LDing from a position of strength compared to WILD, considering you're already asleep and dreaming when you DILD, and that WILDs (traditional full WILDs, not DEILDs) are "weak" because you're missing the element of sleep and dreams entirely.

That would not be an entirely accurate statement, either, though. Because lucidity requires that multiple things all come together, namely, sleep and self-awareness. Whether one starts from dreaming sleep and leverages awareness into a DILD, or whether one starts from self-aware waking consciousness and attempts to add the element of sleep and dreaming, you always, unavoidably, must incorporate the other (along with all the secondary but important points like intention, expectation, etc.).

Now before you say "it's clearly superior to start from waking self-awareness and add sleep and dreaming" to reach a LD, remember that you can only ever speak about yourself. Some people seem to have a knack for (full) WILDs, and some have more success with DILDs.

I think it's interesting to note that even experienced LDers (anecdotally, I have not done a formal study) do in fact seem able to DILD at much higher frequency than they WILD.

Point by point:

1) The way lucid dreaming is usually described in common parlance is actually a DILD. "Realize that you're dreaming while you're in a dream". This is precisely what a DILD is, and most people aren't even aware that there's this whole other set of techniques called WILD that operate on a fundamentally different principle.

I knew about both from the beginning. I think most who seriously study LDing, who search out and discover quality resources know about both from the start. In fact, I would say that more casual LD attempters know more about WILD because they hear about this "miraculous" way to have "LDs on demand," and they think the term "WILD" is "cool." Just look at all the beginners (wasting their time IMO) on reddit trying to get FILD to work and get upset that it doesn't work within 1 or 2 days. (I don't think their wasting their time because "FILD sucks" or anything, but because they have not done enough research into LD practice and are missing the fundamentals).

2) For those who know about WILD, it sounds scarier. It's true, the transition between wake and sleep can be compared to a very intense drug experience. However, it's usually very short and it's not scary while you're actually doing it. Furthermore, people may associate WILD with sleep paralysis, which is a common myth but is incorrect.

I did serious background reading and never once held this point of view (that it's scary).

3) People who are interested in lucid dreaming might find the whole "all day awareness" thing with DILD to be more aesthetically pleasing. It's more "spiritual" or some bullshit.

This is a rather condescending and immature attitude. You don't "get it" personally so you think it's BS.

1) You're starting from a position of strength; of full awareness. DILD requires you to start from a position of weakness, when you're totally non-lucid, and then somehow become lucid. This is exactly akin to a schizophrenic person curing themselves of their delusions without any outside help. It's a big feat, but not attainable by most people.

I've already addressed the the "position of strength" fallacy. Your schizophrenia analogy also does not hold water. Lucidity results from the combination of conditions (sleep, sleep cycle phase, being well-rested) and personal qualities (self-awareness, memory, intention, expectation) and having good/great dream recall. Being conscious and aware in a dream regardless of initiation method in itself is an unnatural act, which is why for the majority of non-naturals (either DILD or WILD practitioners) it takes determined effort and time to develop these qualities and to learn to take advantage of timing. The fact is that the truly expert LD practitioner uses *all* tools at his/her disposal, and learns to adapt the method to the conditions of the moment to maximize LD possibility.

2) WILD does not require any daytime activities. None of this "reality checking" silliness that DILD people like to make themselves do.

That's not true. Successful WILDs benefit from strong self-awareness, intention and expectation, which you work on during the day. I'm quoting Sageous on this and given his background I think I'll side with him on this one. And saying "RCs" are "silly" and unnecessary makes you just sound sort of crazy on this forum.

3) If you want to chain lucid dreams, you're going to have to WILD anyway. So might as well just WILD to begin with.

DEILD is quite a different beast from full WILD. And don't forget the easiest way to DEiLD is to exit from a lucid dream, regardless of how you started the LD. So, you could just as well write "might as well learn to DILD in order to chain lucid dreams."

In summary, it's pretty inaccurate to claim one approach is the only way to the exclusion of all others. Each approach has their advantages and disadvantages, and the expert LD practitioner learns them all and understands when to apply them.

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Hello fellow milder ThreeCat!

Originally Posted by ThreeCat

Also, isnt the NREM barrier super thin in the morning?

My morning NREM barriers (like the name btw) after WBTB are usually light sleep phases for ~20 minutes. This isn't thin for WILDing.

Almost all of my WILDs have occurred early/late morning, with an almost automatic drop into REM.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about - these are the ''lucky cases'' of (REM)->AWAKE->HH->REM

Originally Posted by Nfri

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Hello fellow milder ThreeCat!



My morning NREM barriers (like the name btw) after WBTB are usually light sleep phases for ~20 minutes. This isn't thin for WILDing.



Yes, that's what I'm talking about - these are the ''lucky cases'' of (REM)->AWAKE->HH->REM

For whatever reason, my barrier is almost non-existent. I usually begin experiencing very vivid dreamlets upon falling asleep, that then solidify into dreams. How do you know your barrier is 20 minutes, btw?

Also, please tell me you made that meme. If not . . .

Gonna use one of those Android apps to try to pinpoint my REM periods. And maybe have an auto-dismiss alarm go off during the 3rd or 4th. Hope it's gonna work..

I think you might be making this problem far more complicated than it really is, Nfri

First: Your "wake->any wild technique->hi->rem = wild" formula sounds a lot like a DEILD, which in my opinion also is the best, and easiest, form of WILD -- as long as you are able to recognize your exit from the last dream and dive back in before you wake up, of course. In a sense, doing a DEILD is the solution to your entire problem, so you could have left it there... But DEILD's can be tricky, are often serendipitous, and work best when exiting a LD, so "classic" WILD might be necessary, so:

Yes, WILD's tend to most likely occur at fairly specific periods during your sleep cycle, but it is not all that hard to find your personal sweet spot for when to do WBTB, and how long that WBTB ought to last, both to easily catch that next REM period and to be sure your head is still in a dreamy state when you lie down to WILD. A little trial-and-error experimentation will probably get you to your specific best time to WILD reasonably soon -- and I would highly recommend starting that experimentation after a minimum of 5 hours of sleep when, all charts aside, most people's REM periods tend to be very close together, with minimal NREM "barrier" time.

And yes, Nfri, some of us do say things about timing: If you look at my DVA WILD class, you'll see that its second session is dedicated to timing. I -- and a few others, I've noticed -- have also been mentioning the importance of timing, and finding your own optimum timing, whenever it fits into a conversation. So some of us do understand the importance of timing, and are making an effort to avoid the "lie down and hold still" crap, and some of us do understand that a WILD transition is more about getting your head in the right place at the right time than it is about wiggling your finger or whatever other techniques are being invented these days. So I understand where you're coming from, but I hope that you understand that there are people who understand and try to share the importance of timing; you are not alone in this.

Speaking of crap: As a sort of side note, I'm not quite sure why you are including HI in your formula. Yes, HI can happen, but it also doesn't need to be there for a WILD to succeed. HI is not necessary and certainly not crucial to succeeding at a WILD dive. Looking for or, worse, waiting for HI that might not come can be a real distraction for some, and might not be the best thing to include in your plan. Be prepared for HI (preferably prepared to ignore it), but I suggest you do not make it too important.

tl;dr: Yes, timing matters in WILD, but you can find your WILD sweet spot and optimal WBTB time with a little experimentation. Yes, though sleep cycles can vary, most people seem to be amenable to WILD after about 5 hours of sleep, so that is where your quest for perfect timing should begin. So yes, timing is an important facet to successful WILDing, maybe the most important, but your personal sleep schedule can be learned fairly quickly, if you are willing to fail at a few WILD attempts while you look for your best moment to dive.

Originally Posted by Sageous

I think you might be making this problem far more complicated than it really is, Nfri
If you look at my DVA WILD class, you'll see that its second session is dedicated to timing.

Hi Sageous, thanks for your remarks and I'm glad that you (as one of the few) highlights the importance of timing in your DVA WILD class second session.

If the timing wouln't be so complicated for me then I believe I would have WILD every night.

First: Your "wake->any wild technique->hi->rem = wild" formula sounds a lot like a DEILD

I'm not talking about DEILD. (I like deild, I tend to use it after each ld and agree that it's the easiest method if you have some rem juice left). What I meant is classic WILD, in my case VILD induction.

but it is not all that hard to find your personal sweet spot for when to do WBTB, and how long that WBTB ought to last, both to easily catch that next REM period and to be sure your head is still in a dreamy state when you lie down to WILD.

This is it!!! I think this is the most important step in wilding. For me it's really hard to find my personal sweet dreamy state. I think this spot is every night in another time as I said above. The inducion itself is the easy part for me, but to find this spot is really difficult. And I think for most people as well and makes WILDing so unrealiable.

Speaking of crap: As a sort of side note, I'm not quite sure why you are including HI in your formula. Yes, HI can happen, but it also doesn't need to be there for a WILD to succeed. HI is not necessary and certainly not crucial to succeeding at a WILD dive.

I claim that Hypnagogic Imagination (not some color halucinations, but this not controlled spontaneous imagination which tries to steal your consiousnes) is need every time prior light,deep or rem sleep. If it there is no HI, there is simply no sleep. Without this phase you just couldn't fall asleep. It doesn't matter if you remember it or not. It's always there. Many wild techniques are based how to control this imagination or observe or simply ignore it, whatever works.

and think dreamy thoughts for a while before going back to bed and starting up a WILD. There’s really no more to it.

Do you think that dreamy thoughts could summon REM phase? What works for me is caffeine for example. It destroys NREM bariers effectively. But there is a chance that you won't fall asleep if you have bad timing.

Originally Posted by Nfri

Do you think that dreamy thoughts could summon REM phase? What works for me is caffeine for example. It destroys NREM bariers effectively. But there is a chance that you won't fall asleep if you have bad timing.

No, dreamy thoughts only keep you in the right state of mind during WBTB. I'm not sure anything can "summon" REM; your REM periods will come as scheduled according to your sleep cycle that night (which is why it is best to do WILD after several hours of sleep, so you don't have to worry so much about catching -- or summoning -- the next REM period).

I've never heard of caffiene inducing REM, but if that works for you, then keep it up!

That said, I must admit that I am not very concerned about this REM barrier, aka NREM or Delta sleep. I find lucid time in NREM very relaxing and, at worst, it amounts to little more than a brief, quiet pause while waiting for the dream to begin. So a moment or two of NREM during a WILD dive doesn't seem to be that much of a barrier to me.

Exploring nREM can be a good hobby in and of itself.

Originally Posted by Sageous

That said, I must admit that I am not very concerned about this REM barrier, aka NREM or Delta sleep. I find lucid time in NREM very relaxing and, at worst, it amounts to little more than a brief, quiet pause while waiting for the dream to begin. So a moment or two of NREM during a WILD dive doesn't seem to be that much of a barrier to me.

Originally Posted by sivason

Exploring nREM can be a good hobby in and of itself.

I'm glad that you said this guys. Do you see the catch? Some people like you have the ability to stay aware during NREM barriers - light sleep mostly. For wild expert like you, there isn't much a problem to be lucid in NREM barriers. For wild noobs like me it is almost impossible to stay awake during this phase. I fall asleep (lose awareness) or stay awake.

So basicaly I'm saying that if you not an expert in wild, or budhist monk or profound meditator or I don't know what else, staying lucid during NREM barriers is not attainable for lucid dreamers like myself.

These are levels of WILD according to difficulty from the easiest (not full list):

1. remLUCID-AWAKEorNOT-DEILD-remLUCID

2. AWAKE-anyWILDtechnique-REM = this is what I'm capable of and I think there is lots of oneironauts who rarely hit this lucky condition and succeed in WILD

3. AWAKE-anyWILDtechnique-LUCIDlightsleep-LUCIDrem = this is like to want from someone to draw beautiful picture when he's can't draw a circle for example

Originally Posted by Nfri

I'm glad that you said this guys. Do you see the catch? Some people like you have the ability to stay aware during NREM barriers - light sleep mostly. For wild expert like you, there isn't much a problem to be lucid in NREM barriers. For wild noobs like me it is almost impossible to stay awake during this phase. I fall asleep (lose awareness) or stay awake.

So basicaly I'm saying that if you not an expert in wild, or budhist monk or profound meditator or I don't know what else, staying lucid during NREM barriers is not attainable for lucid dreamers like myself.

These are levels of WILD according to difficulty from the easiest (not full list):

1. remLUCID-AWAKEorNOT-DEILD-remLUCID

2. AWAKE-anyWILDtechnique-REM = this is what I'm capable of and I think there is lots of oneironauts who rarely hit this lucky condition and succeed in WILD

3. AWAKE-anyWILDtechnique-LUCIDlightsleep-LUCIDrem = this is like to want from someone to draw beautiful picture when he's can't draw a circle for example

Hi,

I belive i might have in past accidently stayed conscious in NREM due to 'Prospective Memory' or unintentional MILD Practice.

I guess it happend due to long falling asleep mixed with repetitive counting. Counting for more than thirty-minutes resulted in solidifying my intention to keep on counting.
And after that long time i had moments when i suddenly lose consciousness and due to that stopped to count. After few seconds or maybe even minutes i've regained consciousness by suddenly getting some kind of reminder from brain? That i stopped counting and i need to start counting again.

My theory might be correct or it might be just coincidence.
I belive it might be correct since i had same sensation with MILD Tech some time ago
I had intention set to reality check every 15 minutes and i've repeated words 'I'il remember to do reality check every 15 minutes' and then i fell asleep.
As the time of around 15 minutes passed in dream world i've gotten that sudden shock reminder about reality checking and so i decided to do rc in dream and yet it failed due to me thinking that i can breathe thru nose due to having some wound

Maybe Prospective Memory/MILD could do a job as an anchor in WILDs finely on it's own?
It's just a little theory of mine tho

Edit:

This article is also interesting about 'Prospective Memory':
http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.c...ve-memory.html