Thanks for the reply. My approach has more and more moved towards exactly what you described. I indeed get more sleepy with each shift as you said because I am more comfortable. Also I don't have the anxiety of feeling fixed in one position and the discomfort that comes with it (which brings even more anxiety). I think the rollover theory seems flawed. I mean if I move a few times and suddenly I am totally comfortable, the body decides that it no longer needs to test to see if I am awake by sending more rollover signals? Maybe my eyes aren't relaxed enough. He also talks about eye micro-movements in his videos.

I also think the wording 'rollover signal' is misleading. I almost never sleep on my side, so I am pretty sure I don't get rollover signals to sleep on my side. If I do I am oblivious to them and they would seem illogical since I find this position uncomfortable. I think if such a signal exists it is more of a "urge to move signal". Oddly enough the guy from the lucidology videos who proposed this technique later says in his FAQ that the easiest way to reach SP (and eventually a WILD) is to use the timer and keep waking up over and over without moving. He attributes it to hypnotic fractionation. This is much much easier (in my opinion) than attempting it from an totally awake state. Since then I have seen many people pose this technique as their own (minus important details) and not sure how many people it actually works for. Telling everyone lay down and just stay still and leaving it at that I am sure has left many people lost.

Back to the lucidology videos again... I find it ironic because if ignoring the signals is such a cut and dry thing then why do you need the timer... Well if you listen closely he makes often mentions about being relaxed enough and hence you have your conundrum.... How does one relax when they feel the urge to move.

I think WILD's are not just about a relaxed body but also a relaxed mind. Furthermore, when we are anxious I think it is pretty much impossible to WILD. Being uncomfortable will certainly make you anxious. Also I think letting the mind drift a bit and become more relaxed allows us to pay less attention to our body and helps it to relax naturally. This is probably because of the introduction of Alpha waves as we quiet our mind, but it may be a combination of the two. These are things I am concluding on my own, so maybe I am wrong, but I am working on a theory of how all the various techniques fit together.

The only time I think the frozen still approach works for me is if I just wake up and I'm still half asleep... It works like a charm in this case because the lack of movement prevents me from waking up all the way. This would point back to the timer method since it relies on the same concept... It is also the same exact thing you would do for a DEILD. Other than that it has worked maybe 2 or 3 times.

As for my continued practice... I feel like erring on the side of falling asleep seems like less of a failure than staying awake for hours. I am going to continue practicing teetering that balance.

One last food for thought... How many times have you tried to keep your mind awake waiting for something to happen... Then you give up and fall asleep a minute later? Trying to stay conscious obviously keeps us awake... Seems so obvious right? Why state the obvious you say? Because with the frozen still approach we seem to think it's all about the body not moving... yet the mind clearly how the power to keep us awake (and by awake I mean not entering the WILD or achieving anything whatsoever). Maybe my targeting of REM periods is off, but I have been practicing all different intervals.