Quote Originally Posted by cmind View Post
OP:

School of thought #1 is just plain wrong and can be dismissed immediately. No serious, active members of the lucid dreaming community actually believe that anymore.

As for the second two schools of thought: The basic idea is that you need to fall asleep. There is no mind/body duality. The body and mind are one, and fall asleep together. The purpose of the "anchor" is to prepare your consciousness to pass through the veil without being completely obliterated. But you must be prepared to sacrifice some amount of awareness in order to make the transition. The trick is to maintain the smallest possible kernel of consciousness that can be re-expanded into something resembling your waking consciousness on the other side.
So, does this mean that I wouldn't be self aware so much during the dive, and only after I have fallen asleep, my little self awareness will keep me lucid THEN I become fully lucid when the LD starts because I 'resummon' what self awareness I lost?
Is it like I wouldn't be able to fall asleep if I am fully self aware?
So it's not about hanging until the body falls asleep, it's also about the mind needing to fall asleep too so I can fall asleep, but the trick is to sneak in a little self awareness so I'd have a lucid dream instead of a NLD?