Thread: Unable to pass SP, cannot breath

It's not SP.
http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...mystified.html

Please read this WILD tutorial, it will help you WILD

If you never had a LD before, I sugest you start with a DILD Induction Methods and Techniques

Thanks for the advice, however, I had read the tutorial before.

I mean, how can I actually 'fall asleep' while counting and ignoring the feel of suffocation?

^^ If you are truly suffocating, Benny, or even if you cannot under any circumstances shake off the feeling that you are suffocating, then maybe WILD is not for you. You could take Gab's advice and consider attempting DILDs, maybe by learning the MILD technique.

Also, though some people do practice it, counting is not necessary in WILD. I personally don't recommend counting because it can become a distraction in itself, which can break your focus and sense of self-awareness; and yes, counting can also tend to keep you awake sometimes. Instead, you could try using a mantra, or simply relax and listen to your breathing while you await the arrival of sleep and your dream.

Again, WILD is not the only path to LD'ing. If you are stuck on a certain part of it, it might be a good idea to try a new path. Later, when you've had some success with, say, doing DILD transitions with MILD, you can come back and try WILD again.

Big thanks for th reply. I am thinking over changing my focus seriously(as I have been stucking at this obstical for months)

I believe you are experiencing exactly what I used to experience. I am certain that it was NOT sleep paralysis (or REM atonia or whatever). For me it was over-excitement realising that I was falling asleep leading to a sort of panic attack, my heart rate rocketed and hence I got short of breath. Not likely to result in a successful WILD, and of course it never did.

I have noticed a few times when I WILD, not every time though, that my heartrate and breathing speeds up. This could be from excitement when noticing first HH and realizing I'm close to a dream. But I think that most of the time when this happend was because I was already dreaming and it's normal for heartrate and breathing to speed up.

In any case, it's normal. It's most likely happening to us everytime we dream we just don't notice it because we are not WILDing. Try to stay calm, accept what's happening and see what's on the "other side".

I agree with the above replies - as gab and Smudgefish said, it's fairly common and in my opinion is connected to over-excitement as you "catch" yourself falling asleep. Nowadays I rarely have it, but it was very very common for several months when I started WILDing...

Like Sageous said, it's better to just stop the WILD and take a break if you really can't breath or if your heart is about to explode... I'm pretty sure you can't harm yourself by not stopping - I think it'll just wake you up before any damage - but it's simply not a good way to practice WILD. Just try to fall asleep normally. It's unnecessary to "catch" yourself falling asleep - rather imagine it as if you're already asleep or just fall asleep normally. Even retaining a small fraction of lucidity can result in a DILD later, but over-excitement will only result in waking up.

I know this topic is getting a little old, but you never mentioned OP... are you trying to WILD before ever having slept during the night? Or have you slept for a few hours, wake up, and then trying? It's pretty important for a majority of people that try WILD (except for the few really advanced people who have claimed to achieve WILD before ever going to sleep at least for a little while) to make sure and sleep for a few hours, then wake up and try WILD. Your experience doesn't really sound like SP/REM Atonia to me, but the experiences do vary from person to person, so it's difficult to be sure. Many people do panic, have a higher heart rate as a result of that, and feel as though they can't breathe or like a heavy weight is on their chest.

In all of my experiences with REM Atonia (including the ones where I induced it and where it happened on its own), I could easily tell that it was indeed what I was experiencing. I found that the times I thought I had experienced before definitely weren't REM Atonia. So, at least in my experience, I always know instantly whether I am experiencing it or not. If there is any uncertainty, it more likely than not isn't REM Atonia. I know when you haven't ever really experienced it before, one has to wonder how they will know what they are experiencing, but the effects were so pronounced and profound that, even during my first experience, I knew exactly what was happening. REM Atonia isn't a required step to achieve a WILD though, that is important to remember. I've had plenty where I went straight into a dream, and so have many other people.

If you do find that you are experiencing REM Atonia, and you can't seem to transition from it into a dream, maybe I can offer some advice. Out of the 40+ times I've had REM Atonia, I've only failed to transition into a dream 3 times that I can remember. First and foremost, it is very important to keep yourself from getting too excited if you find yourself experiencing REM Atonia. Some people let the fact that they might get a lucid dream excite them too much, in which case learn to control your giddiness. If you happen to fail at getting into a lucid from REM Atonia a few times, on the bright side of things, you will become used to experiencing REM Atonia itself, which should make it easier to remain calm during it. Lots of people also make REM Atonia sound scary, but it doesn't have to be scary at all. I honestly believe that a majority of the scary experiences that people have are caused by and feed off of their own panic. If they could remain calm and not be expecting scary things to happen, they wouldn't.

Now for the actual advice on transitioning (although remaining calm is still very important): the way I've always done it is to make use of my imagination. The first technique I tried that worked was to "know" that there was a vortex or sort of black hole or something near my head or feet, and that I would be sucked up into it. Consequently, I'd get sucked through and find myself into a dream. A newer technique I found that also works for me that also works when it comes to inducing REM Atonia is to wake up in the middle of the night. I try and move as little as possible so as to avoid waking myself up any more than I have to. I make sure I am lying on my back, and then I imagine that my bed has a pivot point about where my hips are, and is rocking up and down like it is a ship on the water. Every time it goes down, I make it go back up farther than it did the last time, and then down further than the time before, etc. Eventually, after about going up and down 6 to 12 times each, I rock so far downward that my body is now vertical, and I imagine that I keep going still, and then I feel like I am being torn from my nerves for a second, and I imagine I am just falling endlessly. Within about 5 seconds of continuous falling, I wind up in a dream.

So, your imagination alone should suffice in allowing you to transition to a dream! Hopefully some of what I said helps.