Thread: What happened? Post Your WILD Attempts, Good or Bad, Here

I know youre asking Sageous but I just want to add my experience because I dying to learn too. Anyway I watch the HI while holding awareness. I guess you could say I'm half-hearted as well. I just find that too much effort or technique keeps me awake. I've come close but I've yet to have an actual WILD so maybe I'm wrong. Also I never have swallowing issues. Maybe because I sleep on a recliner when I WILD? Maybe try that? The pillows look like too much to me. What's that roll over signal he talks about? Ah soo much exrtra info... confusing. LOL.

Originally Posted by Xanous

What's that roll over signal he talks about? Ah soo much exrtra info... confusing. LOL.

Yeah, the roll over signal is something that you don't have to worry about (it's just like you said, extra information that isn't necessary), but yeah, I just use two pillows to slant my neck a little, but I usually end up just sleeping by my side and just let it drool.

Hi, new to the forum, but wanted to register so i could jump in on this thread. Sageous, your technique has given me all the answers i will ever need for achieving a wild. I have a question though.
I lay down after a wbtb and relaxed focusing on my mantra of choice, "self awareness, focus". This seems to keep my awareness very well focused. However, it seems like Hi does what it can to suck me in to sleep. I can be laying there focusing hard on my expectation of the dream to come while repeating my mantra, and then, a random hypnogogic thought will seem to override my mantra. Is there a reason for this? I should mention, that i am a blind guy so, my hypnogogic thoughts i am refering to are all auditory. Like i said, i feel the mantra is strong enough but i can't seem to hole awareness when powerfull hypnogogic crap starts asulting my waking awareness. Should i just ignore it as strongly as possible, or should i use a different mantra? I did achieve a Dild after lapsing breefly in to sleep once the hypnogogic stuff started so, i don't feel like i screwed up completely.

Hi Arqmeister; sorry for the delay in responding -- I managed to let your note slip past me!

So:

Originally Posted by arqmeister

Hi, new to the forum, but wanted to register so i could jump in on this thread. Sageous, your technique has given me all the answers i will ever need for achieving a wild. I have a question though.
I lay down after a wbtb and relaxed focusing on my mantra of choice, "self awareness, focus". This seems to keep my awareness very well focused. However, it seems like Hi does what it can to suck me in to sleep. I can be laying there focusing hard on my expectation of the dream to come while repeating my mantra, and then, a random hypnogogic thought will seem to override my mantra. Is there a reason for this? I should mention, that i am a blind guy so, my hypnogogic thoughts i am refering to are all auditory. Like i said, i feel the mantra is strong enough but i can't seem to hole awareness when powerfull hypnogogic crap starts asulting my waking awareness. Should i just ignore it as strongly as possible, or should i use a different mantra? I did achieve a Dild after lapsing breefly in to sleep once the hypnogogic stuff started so, i don't feel like i screwed up completely.

You probably ought to continue on the course you're on, without changing your mantra, and with more effort allowing the hypnagogia to come and go naturally. Since hypnagogia can be the doorway to your LD, and it clearly wants to make itself heard, you might also consider working with it to form your dreams. Instead of being bothered by the thoughts, try forming them into the things you'd like your dream to be about (per WILD session 4, I think).

All in all it seems like you are on the right path, arqmeister; a little time and patience could be all you need!

Tried WBTB WILD this morning. I was soooooo close. During the dive I had this strange feeling of reality folding in on itself. And then I strongly felt my entire body sinking in to the relciner. I know it was just noise and I kept telling myself that. I knew I was right on the verge of it. But because I wanted it so bad my heart rate shot way up. I felt palpitations in my chest, my breathing quickened and it all faded. After this happening twice I gave up and realized I spent an hour. I went back to my bed and my snorring wife. I just cleared my mind like meditation and fell asleep while ignoring the noise (snorring). Now that I think of it maybe her snorring can train me to ignore the noise better during the dive. I had an amazing dream of my dead grandmother witch sparked DILD. I woke up and was able to quickly DEILD. I did get excited at all this time and transitioned thorough the noise and the exact same strange folding in floating feeling happened. I was able to quickly ignore it. I just told myself it was noise. The a very brief and hardly noticable SP. And BAM I am getting out of bed and running down the street naked using my blanket as a cape. (I forgot to set my intention and ran wild)

I also want to mention about mantras. Maybe I am doing it wrong or maybe this morning I was just more alert. But the mantra was actually a hindrance and it was keeping me too awake. I ended up just wordlessly clearing my mind with meditation but keeping a very slight state of self-awareness and I got much closer. The same with DEILD. No mantra. What do you think Sageous?

And RareCola, this is for you. I don't know where you posted but you mentioned you had trouble with opening your eyes in dream? I had the same thing when I DEILD out of my bed. I noticed I was out of bed and dreaming but I still had my eyes closed eventhough I was visuallizing. It was all physical sensation. And when I tried to open them I felt my real eyes come open and I saw the ceiling unfocused and quickly closed them. So what I did was I said Screw it. I will just do this blind untill I decide to see. I felt my way out of my room along the walls and a few seconds later I was looking at my dinning room. Then I continued like it was no big deal. That maybe something to try. Just go blind for a bit and don't think about it. I don't know if it is a good method but it worked for me this morning. I think getting caught up on the little things like that will only make it worse. Just a thought. Maybe Sageous has better ideas on this.

Originally Posted by Xanous

I also want to mention about mantras. Maybe I am doing it wrong or maybe this morning I was just more alert. But the mantra was actually a hindrance and it was keeping me too awake. I ended up just wordlessly clearing my mind with meditation but keeping a very slight state of self-awareness and I got much closer. The same with DEILD. No mantra. What do you think Sageous?

Sure, if a mantra is a distraction to you and you have a "silent" method for maintaining self-awareness, then by all means, dump the mantra. I included a mantra in this course not because it is the only way to hold focus, but because it is about the easiest way to do so. If you've got skills that exceed the value of a mantra, than skip it.

Oh, and for what it's worth, I recommend to everyone that they do not use a mantra during DEILD, as that would definitely be counterproductive.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Sure, if a mantra is a distraction to you and you have a "silent" method for maintaining self-awareness, then by all means, dump the mantra. I included a mantra in this course not because it is the only way to hold focus, but because it is about the easiest way to do so. If you've got skills that exceed the value of a mantra, than skip it.

Oh cool. I didn't realize that.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Oh, and for what it's worth, I recommend to everyone that they do not use a mantra during DEILD, as that would definitely be counterproductive.

Hmm I was taking the same approach. Good to know.