^^ I think I understand what's going on now... |
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Thats the problem, How do you fall asleep keeping all your awareness? I mean is this like Jeff's guide where you lay motionless until something happens but your just concentrating on counting. Does that even work anyway. Does laying still for 30 minutes even cause sleep paralysis. Because it seems like theres two sides on this forum that debate over WILD techniques. |
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Last edited by xpin2winx; 07-31-2012 at 06:45 PM.
^^ I think I understand what's going on now... |
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Well I'm glad someone appreciated it! |
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The best reason for having dreams is that in dreams no reasons are necessary.
No sailor controls the sea. Only a foolish sailor would say such a thing. Similarly, no lucid dreamer controls the dream.
Like a sailor on the sea, we lucid dreamers direct our perceptual awareness within the larger state of dreaming.
hey sageous, i got really close to another DEILD today but just halted at the intense vibration/auditory hallucination stage. For some reason i keep thinking of really hot girls or pornstars. Im trying to not think about that anymore lol. Especially since the only reason i failed this because when i started thinking about being in a room with a girl, i started to hear a girl laughing and that pretty much jolted me back to reality. The problem im having is that it seems i only have the oppurtunity to DEILD once, and if i miss that chance i cant achieve another one. So basically what im saying is that i failed my first attempt this morning because i got startled by a girl laughing, then i fell asleep and managed to attempt DEILD a couple more times. The vibrations/auditory hallucinations never came and i had an extreme urge to swallow so i just gave in. This happened to me the first day i reached the vibration stage. I woke up a couple more times but just never managed to get back to the transition stages. |
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^^ You didn't read the class, did you? |
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i read your entire course! I know you said SP is just noise but most if not every guide says that DEILDs should happen within minutes. The times i reach the vibrations/auditory hallucinations they come immediately following the dream. The other times when they dont happen, im just laying motionless on my bed for 5 minutes with nothing happening! |
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Last edited by xpin2winx; 08-02-2012 at 03:24 AM.
^^ Well thanks for reading the course; sorry about that! |
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Last edited by Sageous; 08-02-2012 at 03:37 AM.
I slept for a good 4-5 hours, woke up from the alarm, didn't recall any dreams though (that's weird...usually I can write a mini-novel if I time the sleeping period right, but I guess it's because I spent 1-2 days sitting while someone drove me from New York to Texas again, which messed up my sleeping schedule A LOT) |
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^^ I'll bet we'll hear some more positive news from you after your sleep cycles have finally reset from your trip, Linkzaelda! |
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This morning I halfheartedly attempted WILD. I saw the HI turn in a full dream but unfortunately I didn't hold my awareness to be lucid. I didn't think that would be possible to WILD non-lucid. Is it? But I guess it works like any other daydream or wondering thoughts. I'm not sure what to think. But at least I got a feel for what to expect. I'm just having difficulty holding awareness very long. |
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Every step helps, of course, but maybe some more mental prep is needed, Xanous, so next time you'll be whole-heartedly ready to WILD? |
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So I had an interesting experience this morning, coming closest to a WILD thus far I think. I used one of the techniques in ETWoLD and was seeing a dream form around me, but I think I was attempting a bit too late in my sleep period because I just couldn't get that extra push to actually fall asleep and enter. Going to try again tomorrow and do it earlier. |
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Check out my DreamViews Podcast with OpheliaBlue!
The best reason for having dreams is that in dreams no reasons are necessary.
No sailor controls the sea. Only a foolish sailor would say such a thing. Similarly, no lucid dreamer controls the dream.
Like a sailor on the sea, we lucid dreamers direct our perceptual awareness within the larger state of dreaming.
That good though. Keep it up hope you get a WILD soon! I need to give that a try myself. I just keep falling asleep and having FAs. It's so annoying lol. |
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so sageous why do you recommend attempting WILD's on your back? |
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Primarily from experience -- the vast majority of my successful WILD's occurred while on my back, with on my right side coming in a distant second. Aside from that anecdotal evidence (which ought to be enough, I think, given the overall subjective nature of my course), I believe the sleep yoga folks recommend sleeping on your back if possible, and I've also noticed most reports I've gotten from other accomplished LD'ers over the years included sleeping on their back. |
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I did the usual, woke up after 3-4 hours of sleep, went back to sleep without worrying too much on the attempt. Then I woke up around 7 AM, tried to maintain awareness, but it seems I had 4 hours of extra sleep and no recall. |
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Last edited by Linkzelda; 08-05-2012 at 05:57 PM.
I know youre asking Sageous but I just want to add my experience because I dying to learn too. Anyway I watch the HI while holding awareness. I guess you could say I'm half-hearted as well. I just find that too much effort or technique keeps me awake. I've come close but I've yet to have an actual WILD so maybe I'm wrong. Also I never have swallowing issues. Maybe because I sleep on a recliner when I WILD? Maybe try that? The pillows look like too much to me. What's that roll over signal he talks about? Ah soo much exrtra info... confusing. LOL. |
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I have the same problem everytime I WILD. I'm intimately familiar with relaxing and using a focus now (been practicing meditation) and from previous WIDL attempts I'm very familiar with the SP feelings, but I always hit a wall. |
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Rawr!
Hi, new to the forum, but wanted to register so i could jump in on this thread. Sageous, your technique has given me all the answers i will ever need for achieving a wild. I have a question though. |
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