Thread: I think I found a way to become Lucid every time you dream...

Originally Posted by Bogalu

Update. I've just took another nap with the orgonite and nothing happened this time around. I did dream but don't even remember enough for a DJ. Could of just been that the first time was a fluke. I am extremely sick now though. Migraine, coughing up mucus/phlegm, general weakness, stuffy runny nose, ect. I was surprised I was even able to sleep. I haven't been this sick in a very long time. I still believe it's a healing crisis but none the less, I fell like crap.

I went to sleep feeling almost twice as terrible as the night before. I don't know if that prevented the orgonite from providing lucidity and dream recall. I woke up feeling surprisingly worse then when I went to bed. At this rate, a week from now I'll be dead. Haha I did sleep semi restful. I barley moved at all thanks to the orgonite. The only reason I did move was due to my nose running or plugging up and needing a tissue.

As soon as I feel better I'll try again, I have a feeling I won't be getting any LDs when I feel like this. Haha I should be happy I'm getting any sleep at all.

I don't want to come across as a hater of things like healing crisis, but I don't think being this sick is because of holding a piece of orgonite while falling asleep. I recommend seeing a doctor.

Originally Posted by Spyguy

I don't want to come across as a hater of things like healing crisis, but I don't think being this sick is because of holding a piece of orgonite while falling asleep. I recommend seeing a doctor.

You'd be surprised. Most people that have experiences with orgonite describe the same thing. We call it the "vibrational flu." Hahaha You can check out the link to see a website that describes everything from my new sleep patterns, I've been sleeping in 3 hour blocks, to my healing crisis. All explainable. Plus my sore throat has nearly went away so I'm getting better and worse at the same time. Haha

Here's the link... View topic - SYMPTOMS OF SPIRITUAL AWAKENING - Forum for Orgonite and Tactical Orgone Gifting, How to make Cloud Busters (CBs), HHGs, and Succor Punches. Orgonite gifters, HAARP, Tesla, and Radionics discussion. Warrior Matrix.

mmmm for something like that , we could try wiring ourselves with a 9v batery and going to sleep

Um, given the plethora of LD'ing techniques, machines, etc, that are available, does it really make sense to use a device that makes you sick?

Not sure I'm catching the upside here...

Originally Posted by tehmuffinman

To SonatArctica: Would you be willing to describe your "measurements on crystals"? If so, what setting did you conduct these measurements in, and what measurements did you take and how? Don't hold back on the science, you interested me.

Well, actually it is still "pseudoscience" what i am doing in this field because there are no "true" scientific devices out there yet to serve any objective data. the whole measurements were all of subjective nature but this doesnt matter to me since i am proud of getting positive results.

i am using a haribo tweezers (you often find it in haribo boxes to take out the candies). i hold it slightly between thumb and forefinger and glide over the object without touching it. i immediately feel a sensation at this place, sometimes stronger sometimes weaker it depends on the object´s energy field.

this is all what i am doing nothing extraordinary but it gives a prove of such phenomena.

i can tell everyone not to believe in such things but be open-minded and take the courage to prove it to yourself. you dont have to convince someone else. do it for expanding your consciousness!

best wishes
SA

Originally Posted by SonatArctica

i am using a haribo tweezers (you often find it in haribo boxes to take out the candies). i hold it slightly between thumb and forefinger and glide over the object without touching it. i immediately feel a sensation at this place, sometimes stronger sometimes weaker it depends on the object´s energy field.

These tweezers act as a miniature version of a divining rod - just for clearing this up

forgot to clear up something very important...

i´ve read such words as "piezoelectricity" in this thread, "electrostatic forces, and so on..." in other forums.

the whole phenomena regarding Orgon energy, bioplasm, Od, Ether (including all the other descriptions for the same thing) doesnt concern any piezoelectricity, electrostatic or magnetic forces.
Orgon is...well, let me say, the primary energy source which can be divided in all known forces you want to speak respectively Orgon has the ability to become matter.
imagine a machine or a living being which/who is able to create a very dense Orgon field...this Orgon energy would get denser and denser till it condensate into matter.
what i want to say is, there will be machines in the future which can create matter of every kind but first of all we must find a way to produce immense amounts of Orgon. and of course there will be humans (including me ) who can materialize things with just their mind. this is just a question of time and not of true or false.
just prove it to yourself...all of you!

peace
SA

This is the first time I have come across rose quartz being useful for inducing lucidity. So last night I charged and programmed a piece of rose quartz that I have. I slept with it under my pillow. I had plenty of dreams in my regular sleep and with WBTB but I didn't achieve lucidity.

Originally Posted by mowglycdb

mmmm for something like that , we could try wiring ourselves with a 9v batery and going to sleep

Surprisingly, using a 9v battery to power lemurian crystals or just plain Brazilian Quartz has yielded amazing results when accomplished using an in line 15mhz frequency generator wrapped around the crystal with a mobius coil. Basically the 9v battery powers the frequency generator and that generator then uses the mobius coil to activate the crystals natural energy, or thereby "amplifying" the energy the crystal already has available. I've never tried myself but all who said they have say it works extremely well. I don't know the exact science but that's the way I understand it.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Um, given the plethora of LD'ing techniques, machines, etc, that are available, does it really make sense to use a device that makes you sick?

Not sure I'm catching the upside here...

The device doesn't really make you sick. The temporary sickness can be compared to that of taking "detox" products that give you diarrhea, throw up, ect. The only difference is, orgonites detox effect seems to be much more profound and noticeable. I'm finally starting to feel better. Still feel a bit under the weather but definitely better now then the day before. Haha

Originally Posted by SonatArctica

forgot to clear up something very important...

i´ve read such words as "piezoelectricity" in this thread, "electrostatic forces, and so on..." in other forums.

the whole phenomena regarding Orgon energy, bioplasm, Od, Ether (including all the other descriptions for the same thing) doesnt concern any piezoelectricity, electrostatic or magnetic forces.
Orgon is...well, let me say, the primary energy source which can be divided in all known forces you want to speak respectively Orgon has the ability to become matter.
imagine a machine or a living being which/who is able to create a very dense Orgon field...this Orgon energy would get denser and denser till it condensate into matter.
what i want to say is, there will be machines in the future which can create matter of every kind but first of all we must find a way to produce immense amounts of Orgon. and of course there will be humans (including me ) who can materialize things with just their mind. this is just a question of time and not of true or false.
just prove it to yourself...all of you!

peace
SA

There is 2 classes of orgonite. Original orgonite was made with just layers of metal and resin. The "new gen" orgonite is typically now made with the addition of crystals. When speaking of piezoelectricity, I am doing so in describing the "new gen" orgonite. Piezoelectric qualities have been proven in crystals. When force is exerted on crystals, energy in the form of electricity is actually created. Mind you in extremely small quantities, but nevertheless actually there. When resin in liquid form hardens, it actually compresses. This compression is what activates the piezoelectric qualities of crystals. This compression is what is supposed to make the crystal "amplify" it's energy. It also seems to be noted that while in a mixture of orgonite, may it be the metal inside, or perhaps a combination of the metal and resin, the crystal is boosted furthermore then just that of the natural compression exerted on the crystal.

The original orgonite, while having a very positive effect and energy, doesn't have such a profound effect as the "new gen" orgonite. Consider the "new gen" orgonite as "orgonite V2."

Originally Posted by mcwillis

This is the first time I have come across rose quartz being useful for inducing lucidity. So last night I charged and programmed a piece of rose quartz that I have. I slept with it under my pillow. I had plenty of dreams in my regular sleep and with WBTB but I didn't achieve lucidity.

I heard golden yellow danburite works the best of any crystal for lucid dreaming, especially in combination with Scolecite or Seraphinite. I will be trying to get my hands on all these crystals and be combining them into one piece of orgonite. If anything could possibly guarantee lucidity, this combo of crystals should be it.

Originally Posted by Bogalu

The device doesn't really make you sick. The temporary sickness can be compared to that of taking "detox" products that give you diarrhea, throw up, ect. The only difference is, orgonites detox effect seems to be much more profound and noticeable. I'm finally starting to feel better. Still feel a bit under the weather but definitely better now then the day before. Haha

So, things like diarrhea, vomiting, etc do not equal being sick? In your book, maybe; not most others'. I really don't think that is a very good selling point for orgonite; most people have little interest -- rightfully so -- in even the shortest periods of "side effects." You might consider downplaying the detox angle a bit!

Originally Posted by Sageous

So, things like diarrhea, vomiting, etc do not equal being sick? In your book, maybe; not most others'. I really don't think that is a very good selling point for orgonite; most people have little interest -- rightfully so -- in even the shortest periods of "side effects." You might consider downplaying the detox angle a bit!

Have you ever taken a colon cleansing product? Not fun stuff if you have. Haha Any sort of detox product gives you the appearance of being sick but all it is just the detox effect taking place. They are not side effects but is actually the intention of the product. When your body rids itself of toxins, those toxins were in fact the same things that made you sick from an earlier period. So aggravating these toxins gives then one more shot to ravage you before your body expels them. Just the process of cleaning out your body tires you out immensely, let alone what toxins may be unearthed one last time to take a bite out of your immune system on it's way out. Haha This is termed as a "healing crisis." The same effect takes place with orgonite, only stronger. But once it's over you feel better than you ever had before. Even though I'm still feel pretty sick I already feel stronger and more clear headed then I did before. Almost like a "fog" has been lifted. Seems hard to describe.

I'll tell you more about it once I'm done with this "healing crisis."

^^ I was never much of a fan of colon-cleansing either, but I do understand your point, Bogalu. I look forward to your post-healing-crisis report...

Originally Posted by Bogalu

I heard golden yellow danburite works the best of any crystal for lucid dreaming, especially in combination with Scolecite or Seraphinite. I will be trying to get my hands on all these crystals and be combining them into one piece of orgonite. If anything could possibly guarantee lucidity, this combo of crystals should be it.

Interesting. I combined a herkimer diamond, amethyst and another stone that I can't remember the name of. Works well at amplifying my intent. However if my initial intent isn't that strong then no lucids for me. Interestingly if I have the correct level of intent and I don't use the crystals then no lucids, but with the stones it works really well to bring multiple lucid dreams per night.

I guess this is a bit of a bump, but I ordered one of these things last week and it came in today. I haven't noticed anything too special about it just yet, but I'll be posting results here if I have any.

They are cheap if you know where to look, too. This was 14 bucks, including shipping.

While I haven't ever used orgonite, I have heard that it is generally a terrible idea to sleep in their proximity. Based on my limited understanding of energy work, this makes sense.

Your going to sleep. Sleep involves the releasing of muscular tension, the slight slowing down of metabolic processes and most significently, a big reduction of brain activity. Your brain, can't slow down if your being stimulated. Subtle energy stimulates nerves. Orgonite allegedly has a shit-load of energy. Result: sleep bad. Your brief burst of prodigious lucid dreaming was probably a result of both the increased activity of your brain, the stimulation of your third eye and the strong placebo effect of your strong belief in orgonite being benificial to your sleep.

A possible remedy that I just pulled out of my ass is to connect your organite to an ossiloscope and set it to send a low voltage pulsed dc current phased as a square wave at a low frequency (I'll leave the frequency choice up to you? Perhaps 7.8 hz for obvious reasons). If your wondering why square waves over the "purer" sine waves, its the same reason why isochronic tones beat binaural. The steep drops in voltage that a square wave produces should entrain the crystal far more effectivly then the gradual sloping of the sine waves. Enough armchair blueprinting from me though,first course of action for you is stop sleeping in such close proximity to it.

Edit: Crap forgot to read the last post's date . I dont really want to delete my post though so screw it! Sorry about the bumping

Originally Posted by RationalMystic

Edit: Crap forgot to read the last post's date . I dont really want to delete my post though so screw it! Sorry about the bumping

No worries...it was an interesting idea, and maybe now Bogalu will respond so we can see if he's still "With us."

For the curious... I never made a follow-up post because I never had any results. There was no boost to my lucid dreaming or even recall. Then again, I didn't have any physical illness symptoms either. It was as if the thing was never even there. Basically a waste of money, but at least it looks kinda cool.

Given how cheap the thing was, I'm willing to accept that it might have been defective, somehow. I wouldn't know. I'm not so willing to give it another try, though. I'll stick with things that I'll do myself, instead of relying on some external device that doesn't seem to work.

Originally Posted by Singularity125

For the curious... I never made a follow-up post because I never had any results. There was no boost to my lucid dreaming or even recall. Then again, I didn't have any physical illness symptoms either. It was as if the thing was never even there. Basically a waste of money, but at least it looks kinda cool.

Given how cheap the thing was, I'm willing to accept that it might have been defective, somehow. I wouldn't know. I'm not so willing to give it another try, though. I'll stick with things that I'll do myself, instead of relying on some external device that doesn't seem to work.

In any "alternate medicine", one must be wary of snake oil merchents. Look up the mechanics of orgone. If you think the idea holds possible weight, build a device yourself. They aren't that difficult to make and if it doesn't work, at least you can publicly refute an idea without second thoughts and thats a privilage thats greater then you think.

Of course I'll have to admit to being a massive hypocrite in this regard as I've never given orgone a go. I can partly justify this as I have to accomplish things which I am certain hold weight and I'm leaving the zany for the end of that list.

I'm still in college, so I don't really have a spot to mix all this stuff together, nor the time. I don't know if the principles make sense to me because I've never done anything with crystals on their own, either. Perhaps in 6 months' time I can come back to it, but like you I'm preoccupied with other things for now.

Bogalu, could you put up a photo of your orgonite here?