Thread: Possibly the key to lucid dreaming?

That's good to hear! Looks like you can do this perfectly!
Also, you don't have to limit it to "two or three" when it comes to talking to the subconscious. Like in that one link posted by erible (How to Talk to Your Subconscious Mind) The sky is the limit. Your sub-conscious isn't rational so it doesn't know what makes sense. If you tell it you have many many lucids every night it will believe that. Shoot high if you want. It's still important to keep it simple though.

Interesting concept... I bet there is some truth to it. I will lucid dream tonight!

Originally Posted by SilverBullet

That's good to hear! Looks like you can do this perfectly!
Also, you don't have to limit it to "two or three" when it comes to talking to the subconscious. Like in that one link posted by erible (How to Talk to Your Subconscious Mind) The sky is the limit. Your sub-conscious isn't rational so it doesn't know what makes sense. If you tell it you have many many lucids every night it will believe that. Shoot high if you want. It's still important to keep it simple though.

On average, I usually have one LD a week, so one a day sounds amazing to me. I also tried not to shoot too high, so that it would be more believable to my conscious mind. If I continue having these kinds of results, I'll definitely start shooting higher!

The funny thing is that I’ve been reading mind power books for years now, but never really thought about trying it with lucid dreaming.

Wow im watching this and it's really good.

This may be a stupid question, but.. Would your sub-conscious actually understand what you mean when you say "I lucid dream" or "I'm a lucid dreamer"? Or should one be a little more specific and go for things that would _lead_ to a lucid dream, such as "I check my reality" or "i'm aware" etc?

Anyway, last night I went to bed with the firm intention to remember my dreams upon awakening, and I remembered more dreams than i've done in a very long time. Also, just for the helluvit I decided to tell myself i'd dream of the ocean.. I didn't dream of the ocean per se, but I dreamt about fishermen and sharks, heh.

EDIT: The shark was served at a family dinner and the fishermen were just topics of discussion, so no oceans involved.

Awesome! Tried this technique last night and got my first LD for 2 weeks! Will definitely continue to use this one.

Tried this again last night. Woke up with no LD. Maybe my subconscious hates me?

Tried this last night and no success yet although i admit there was a bit of doubt. I'll try again tonight but more confident and post results

Originally Posted by Woozie

This may be a stupid question, but.. Would your sub-conscious actually understand what you mean when you say "I lucid dream" or "I'm a lucid dreamer"? Or should one be a little more specific and go for things that would _lead_ to a lucid dream, such as "I check my reality" or "i'm aware" etc?

Anyway, last night I went to bed with the firm intention to remember my dreams upon awakening, and I remembered more dreams than i've done in a very long time. Also, just for the helluvit I decided to tell myself i'd dream of the ocean.. I didn't dream of the ocean per se, but I dreamt about fishermen and sharks, heh.

EDIT: The shark was served at a family dinner and the fishermen were just topics of discussion, so no oceans involved.

The point is triggering the subconscious to do the work for you by setting a goal. You can also write down and describe your goal to make it clear. Since lucid dream is just an empty concept by itself you have to feel excited, when you say I lucid dream every night for example. Feel the way you would when lucid, feel powerful, confident, happy about it. Visualisation can help you aswell like in the MILD technique. Imagine yourself being lucid, accomplishing the goal you set. If you are really positive and you trust yourself it should be effortless.

THANK YOU SilverBullet!
I LDed last night. It was short, but I was flying and jumping 30 feet. I also wanted to dream about a specific thing, and so I told my Subconscious, "I am dreaming about _______". Although my LD didn't feature that location, the next dream did.

Here's another way of explaining this technique. I don't know if any of you read any of the Carlos Castaneda books, but they have a way to achieve almost anything. It's called "intent".
Intent is a little hard to describe... It is "wishing without wishing, wanting but without really wanting." It's almost like you just know It's going to happen. They say that everything in the universe is run by this force. Everything that's happening or that will happen is part of the "eagles command" (I'm not going to go into it but they only say eagle because of something that resembles one) The eagles command is effected by intent. So if you strongly put your intent into lucid dreaming it will become the eagles command and it will happen no matter what.

I failed today. I think I wanted it too much...couldn't clear my mind before falling asleep, which made me feel frustrated.

I'll continue experimenting with it for another week or so. I just have to get into that "don't care" attitude again.

Originally Posted by Judas

I just have to get into that "don't care" attitude again.

Don't be tricked by words. It's not quite like not caring. The opposite, the goal must have high significance to you. The point is that you don't have to become obsessive about it, you don't have to force it. You need clarity of the goal, strong intention, perseverance, patience and confidence. Just relax, clear your mind. Then state what you want like you already have it. Don't project it into the future for instance "I will become lucid every night". You ALWAYS become lucid every night. That's the attitude After you've "programmed" your subconscious with repetition you can go on with your day not thinking about it, not even before going to sleep. Never question your power, feel it. And if you fail, that only means you were not ready. But you will, just trust yourself.
The video will make it clearer

The Brain is much more than we think, I've realized that you can actually reprogram it to do what you want maybe not tomorrow or today but suddenly it will, It is your body, It is your brain and It is your dreams you just need to know how to control that, I'm pretty sure is not imposible to LD every night

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

Tried this again last night. Woke up with no LD. Maybe my subconscious hates me?

That thinking is probably why you didn't LD or come close to LDing.

So wait, I could basically tell my mind with complete confidence:
"I can lucid dream. I will remember my dream. I will be aware."

saying "I can lucid dream" won't change anything since anyone can lucid dream. Say "I lucid dream", and since your subconscious doesn't know time that well you should say "I remember my dreams", "I am aware". Adding the word "will" to it completely ruins it's effectiveness.

I still struggle with convincing myself :/

Originally Posted by Mirror

Don't be tricked by words. It's not quite like not caring. The opposite, the goal must have high significance to you. The point is that you don't have to become obsessive about it, you don't have to force it. You need clarity of the goal, strong intention, perseverance, patience and confidence. Just relax, clear your mind. Then state what you want like you already have it. Don't project it into the future for instance "I will become lucid every night". You ALWAYS become lucid every night. That's the attitude After you've "programmed" your subconscious with repetition you can go on with your day not thinking about it, not even before going to sleep. Never question your power, feel it. And if you fail, that only means you were not ready. But you will, just trust yourself.
The video will make it clearer.

I definitely get this, but it's easier said than done! It's like wanting something with all your heart but at the same time being ok if it never happens. Quite tricky. I think why it worked so well the first two times was because I was already in a relaxed/confident state of mind.

Anyway, to take some of the pressure off, I’ll post my results in a week or so, instead of daily.

Originally Posted by SilverBullet

saying "I can lucid dream" won't change anything since anyone can lucid dream. Say "I lucid dream", and since your subconscious doesn't know time that well you should say "I remember my dreams", "I am aware". Adding the word "will" to it completely ruins it's effectiveness.

I don't know much if actually what you're saying is the point of all of this, since everyone can do that, it's just words...

I'll go more for the attitude while saying it, you need to actually try to send a message up there (to your brain) you need to actually make him understand what you're trying to do

I use the word "If" (English is not my language so I dont actually say IF but that's the translation to the word I use)

If I see a dragon flying over my house don't be stupid brain that's a dream...

hope it works for you the way it works for me

As far as words and mantras, I think it's probably a matter of what you believe will work. I'm sure there are people who say "I will have a lucid dream tonight" and are successful, as long as they believe it will work. I usually use present tense because that’s what all the self-help/mind power books I’ve read say you should do.

Originally Posted by Ramspirit

I don't know much if actually what you're saying is the point of all of this, since everyone can do that, it's just words...

I'll go more for the attitude while saying it, you need to actually try to send a message up there (to your brain) you need to actually make him understand what you're trying to do

I use the word "If" (English is not my language so I dont actually say IF but that's the translation to the word I use)

If I see a dragon flying over my house don't be stupid brain that's a dream...

hope it works for you the way it works for me

Actually, talking to yourself or writing something down is the best way to speak to your subconscious. That part isn't really if you believe it will work or not. It's pretty much a fact. If you want to say something like "If I see a dragon flying over my house don't be stupid brain that's a dream..." It's not very useful since dreams can be a perfect duplication of waking life sometimes. Your subconscious isn't anything like your rational conscious you have. It makes up what you are, your personality. Before you go making assumptions like that you should get more experience with this stuff.

Originally Posted by Ramspirit

I don't know much if actually what you're saying is the point of all of this, since everyone can do that, it's just words..

Also, that is the point, this is supposed to be something everyone can do, not only a few people. If you want to talk to your subconscious shouldn't you use communication? As in words?
Here is something one of the best fighters who ever lived wrote to himself before he was famous (bruce lee):

If you think this won't work, or if your skeptical, then no, it will not work. If you believe this is the way to have lucid dreams, and you trust it, then you will have lucid dreams. Like in the matrix video that mirror posted, let go of doubt, fear, dis-beleife, free your mind.

Okay, so last night I told my self:
I lucid dream
I remember my dreams
I am aware.

That night, I feel like I dream about a lucid dream? I recall all of it 95% perfectly! Pretty god damn amazing.