Thread: SilverBullet's Newly Revised Key to Lucid Dreaming

Originally Posted by Marsupilama

just finished reading the last couple of pages. SilverBullet, you must be the most patient person I've never met

I totally underestimated the intent part tho...I always thought there it is something else that is keeping me from nightly lucids, but I guess I have to reconsider....

Also, the fact that it works for SilverBullet shows that it can work for everyone (you are human, right? )

Good luck if you try this "technique"

Originally Posted by Marsupilama

just finished reading the last couple of pages. SilverBullet, you must be the most patient person I've never met

I totally underestimated the intent part tho...I always thought there it is something else that is keeping me from nightly lucids, but I guess I have to reconsider....

Also, the fact that it works for SilverBullet shows that it can work for everyone (you are human, right? )

Just because one person understands something, doesn't mean everyone should be able to, or that it's correct or real. I still think this whole intent thing is an idea Silverbullet has that works for him, but it's so vague an idea that when ever I try to get more info out of him he can't explain it to me. It's a concept, not a technique.
If you think this works for you, then fine, it probably does through placebo. But all intent is is the MILD technique basically, firmly setting your mind to do something. Why he couldn't just say that straight off baffles me.

Originally Posted by Origami

Just because one person understands something, doesn't mean everyone should be able to, or that it's correct or real. I still think this whole intent thing is an idea Silverbullet has that works for him, but it's so vague an idea that when ever I try to get more info out of him he can't explain it to me. It's a concept, not a technique.
If you think this works for you, then fine, it probably does through placebo. But all intent is is the MILD technique basically, firmly setting your mind to do something. Why he couldn't just say that straight off baffles me.

Word up.

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

Word up.

Brofist

This is a placebo that's it.

Originally Posted by SilverBullet

Oh and maybe you missed the "reposted due to data loss" part. It has worked for many people. It gave many people their first LD,

Haha funny. Because I remember that there was only like three pages of replies and almost all of them were gripping because you said that LDing isn't hard and that you didn't néed a dream journal.

I have worked I insanely hard to get to where I am today and I do not respect anybody who says that lucid dreaming doesn't have to take work.

Also I really hope that you aren't one of those people who believe that if you intend on getting a parking spot it you will get it every single time. Cause that is bs.

haha I guess at least on some level I understood the intent part...had two lucid dreams last night

Originally Posted by Origami

Just because one person understands something, doesn't mean everyone should be able to, or that it's correct or real.

I was just saying that his results can be reproduced by everyone since he is human. It's not a factor of intelligence, you maybe just haven't thought about it enough or made the necessaire life experiences. Maybe someday in your life you do something and it clicks, and your like "ohhh....so that is what this guy meant with intent"...and you wont need any effort...

In respect to doubting, I think that the "don't think about it" is easier if you have practiced meditation.

And yeah, I LOVE how the so-called "scientists" or "rational skeptics" call things they cannot explain a Placebo. The concept of Placebo ASSUMES that the ability to achieve the expected result is INHERENT in the human body, so, technically Lucid Dreaming is EASY. By saying "this is placebo" you feel as if you knew a lot of psychology, but indeed you are claiming that you don't know how to explain the phenomenon with your theoretical background and that you know a word in the dictionary that


SilverBullet is not asking you to believe. Read carefully and TRY. I've tried, and now I know that AT LEAST FOR ME this works. LD is a thing that can be experimented easily, is a natural function of the mind. BUT, achieving the relaxed flow of LDs (say, one per night) is not so easy, you have to have a strong will and avoid doubting, even the thought of avoiding doubting. You know. Meditation.

And in respect to Dream plane, Astral plane, etc... well, you cannot prove they exist or not. Anything can be proved. Not even the previous sentence. Not even the previous... (repeat until tired).

Conclusion: experience things by yourself, it doesn't matter in what you believe (science? God?).

Originally Posted by Univorsus

And yeah, I LOVE how the so-called "scientists" or "rational skeptics" call things they cannot explain a Placebo. The concept of Placebo ASSUMES that the ability to achieve the expected result is INHERENT in the human body, so, technically Lucid Dreaming is EASY. By saying "this is placebo" you feel as if you knew a lot of psychology, but indeed you are claiming that you don't know how to explain the phenomenon with your theoretical background and that you know a word in the dictionary that

You misunderstand Placebo. It isn't a term scientists just throw at something they don't get. Placebo is when someone has an idea, and people who read it instantly believe in it and make it true for themselves. Much like god. People claim all this stuff about god which is rationally untrue, yet people want to believe it so bad that they trick themselves into making it work, when it clearly doesn't. I call this placebo because it is placebo. It's not like I can't understand this so I shun it and say it's fake or wrong or bad. Placebo is an effect, not a term for something.

I don't think he is. This is not an argument or some attempt to get this topic thrown out. I just couldn't understand the concept behind this technique, and I realize now that it shouldn't be called a technique in the first place. Not the way we know it anyway. It's Silverbullets own way of getting lucid, and it works. But in his attempt to share it with everyone, it couldn't form well enough for people such as myself to comprehend.

Originally Posted by Origami

I don't think he is. This is not an argument or some attempt to get this topic thrown out. I just couldn't understand the concept behind this technique, and I realize now that it shouldn't be called a technique in the first place. Not the way we know it anyway. It's Silverbullets own way of getting lucid, and it works. But in his attempt to share it with everyone, it couldn't form well enough for people such as myself to comprehend.

Yeah I'm not trying to fight either. I just wanted to put my 2 cents that I think it's a placebo.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

Yeah I'm not trying to fight either. I just wanted to put my 2 cents that I think it's a placebo.

Does it really matter if it's a placebo? If I'm getting a lucid almost every night then does it really matter? And I'm sorry if I'm offending you by having lucids easily.

Also, to origami, I don't get how you don't really understand the way I explained intent. My brother could grasp the concept easily even though he does not believe it to be real. Same with other people I've explained it to.

Originally Posted by Origami

But all intent is is the MILD technique basically, firmly setting your mind to do something. Why he couldn't just say that straight off baffles me.

You still don't know what intent is. Because like I said, to set your intent you need to feel the emotion of wanting to lucid dream, but without the THOUGHT of it.

Originally Posted by SilverBullet

You still don't know what intent is. Because like I said, to set your intent you need to feel the emotion of wanting to lucid dream, but without the THOUGHT of it.

There we are.

Wanting.

What. I. Said. Before.

Why are you over complicating this, for me?

Originally Posted by Origami

There we are.

Wanting.

What. I. Said. Before.

Why are you over complicating this, for me?

*sigh* I'm not. Simply wanting is not what you do. DETAILS MATTER.
I mean really, did you actually READ what I posted?

Originally Posted by SilverBullet

And I'm sorry if I'm offending you by having lucids easily

I never said you offended me. I just said that unless you are a naural lucid dreaming takes skill. It pisses me off when naturals tell un naturals that lucid dreaming is easy. When it's not.

And yes it does matter that it's a placebo, because others won't benefit off of a placebo.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

I never said you offended me. I just said that unless you are a naural lucid dreaming takes skill. It pisses me off when naturals tell un naturals that lucid dreaming is easy. When it's not.

And yes it does matter that it's a placebo, because others won't benefit off of a placebo.

I'm not a natural, infact I've tried lucid dreaming before I joined dv, around when I was 14. I only managed to get 2 but they were very short and I didn't have any more after that.

This isn't a natural telling a non natural that it's easy. I am not a natural. I wonder how many more times I'll have to stress that.

I, AM, NOT, A, NATURAL. I simply have knowledge.

I'm sorry If I sound umm. Like a bitch. I Don't mean to sound like that. Just like you were having trouble explaining intent. I'm having trouble explaining my point of view.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

I'm sorry If I sound umm. Like a bitch. I Don't mean to sound like that. Just like you were having trouble explaining intent. I'm having trouble explaining my point of view.

It's alright bro.

The easiest way I can explain how I become lucid is by simply feeling that emotion of awesomeness and love for lucid dreams without thinking about it.

That, is how I set my intent.

We're all good and happy now? None of us ever meant for this discussion to get so heated.

I think we can all agree that it matters not what other people think of your idea. If it works, then it works.

Originally Posted by Origami

We're all good and happy now? None of us ever meant for this discussion to get so heated.

I think we can all agree that it matters not what other people think of your idea. If it works, then it works.

I wasn't angry in the first place I was just frustrated with trying to get you to understand it.

And I wasn't angry at all, just frustrated that you couldn't give a better explanation- because you couldn't simple as that.

Look guys, at the end of the day this is a techniqe. It's a specific MILD, focused on auto-suggestion, Silverbullet's "intent". Now I believe (from my own experience) that intent is... the feeling of strong emotion that you will succeed? It goes hand in hand with belief really. That's what all the stuff in the OP on 'believing you are a born lucid dreamer' is about. The 'indirect' way of getting you to feel 'intent' is the coupling of belief with an equally strong feeling of your assured success. And that's MILD. It bypasses things like recall and mantras to aim squarely at influencing the sub-conscious.

I think the only barrier here is that Silverbullet has perhaps approached this in the wrong way. The technique is solid, but the first post was controversial in calling lucidity 'easy' and claiming that you don't need to keep a sleep journal (practically blasphemy for most DVers). Also, many get turned off by the meta-physical talk of 'intent' and 'sorcerers', fate, and stuff like that. To put it in a more psychologically sound way would be auto-suggestion or, going more leftfield, the power of attraction.

What I suggest is that we all drop the bias. We all have our opinions on lucidity, and we all like to think we're right. But I think that in this case it's just a simple misunderstanding of plain Semantics (the meaning of intent, for instance) that got out of hand. None of us here are hypocrites, we're just passionate in what we believe in. Perhaps Silverbullet could look at the technique and revise it again from a more psychological angle, I really do believe there is merit in this technique.

/My two cents

tldr; This is MILD. Everyone stop fighting. Silverbullet this is awesome but confusing.

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

Look guys, at the end of the day this is a techniqe. It's a specific MILD, focused on auto-suggestion, Silverbullet's "intent". Now I believe (from my own experience) that intent is... the feeling of strong emotion that you will succeed? It goes hand in hand with belief really. That's what all the stuff in the OP on 'believing you are a born lucid dreamer' is about. The 'indirect' way of getting you to feel 'intent' is the coupling of belief with an equally strong feeling of your assured success. And that's MILD. It bypasses things like recall and mantras to aim squarely at influencing the sub-conscious.

I think the only barrier here is that Silverbullet has perhaps approached this in the wrong way. The technique is solid, but the first post was controversial in calling lucidity 'easy' and claiming that you don't need to keep a sleep journal (practically blasphemy for most DVers). Also, many get turned off by the meta-physical talk of 'intent' and 'sorcerers', fate, and stuff like that. To put it in a more psychologically sound way would be auto-suggestion or, going more leftfield, the power of attraction.

What I suggest is that we all drop the bias. We all have our opinions on lucidity, and we all like to think we're right. But I think that in this case it's just a simple misunderstanding of plain Semantics (the meaning of intent, for instance) that got out of hand. None of us here are hypocrites, we're just passionate in what we believe in. Perhaps Silverbullet could look at the technique and revise it again from a more psychological angle, I really do believe there is merit in this technique.

/My two cents

tldr; This is MILD. Everyone stop fighting. Silverbullet this is awesome but confusing.

Nah, in the original post I don't mention any of my beliefs. I think it's fine the way it is.

Hmm... I kinda, sorta get what you're saying SilverBullet... but I think one of the words you're looking for is doubt. You say not to let yourself think about it, because that will lead to doubt. Right? It's something I think could work, but not work well for me. I'm the analytical, cynical type. I can't even do affirmations without feeling like I'm lying to myself.

Originally Posted by Singularity125

Hmm... I kinda, sorta get what you're saying SilverBullet... but I think one of the words you're looking for is doubt. You say not to let yourself think about it, because that will lead to doubt. Right? It's something I think could work, but not work well for me. I'm the analytical, cynical type. I can't even do affirmations without feeling like I'm lying to myself.

No doubts, but no thoughts either when setting your intent.

The technique is a placebo! Well done, sir, you have finally grasped the gist of the concept 'intent'. The whole point of this technique is that you believe you will lucid dream, which in turn induces a lucid dream.

I said earlier that this is a MILD that is built upon auto-suggestion and subliminality, but it seems no-on paid attention. Yes it is a placebo, and like a placebo it does absolutely squat if you don't believe in it.

But how is that not a credible method if it does induce lucid dreams. Yes it lacks internal validity (what can say is really causing the lucids here?) it lacks external validity (it can't be used by everyone it seems). But what method is completely reliable.

Lucid dreaming is not a science, it is an art. There is scientific basis of how it works, but there is a scientific basis for how we see colour, and how many paintings have you seen that have been created through some kind of formula?

It is fair enough that you are skeptical, critical thinking is a good thing. But now I'm getting annoyed because you choose to assume some kind of scientific high ground and then use terms that are grossly out of context. How did you expect for this to work for you, Origami? With your singularly pessimistic attitude with lucid dreaming, why would you bother with a technique that is built upon belief? It's the only thing holding you back.