1 more DEILD Question

**CloudOFmichael** · 08-10-2011 11:48 PM

When you wake up without moving, can you just clear your mind and you will be transported into a random dream? or is it better to re-enter the one you were just in?

**XeL** · 08-10-2011 11:52 PM

For me it usually works like this. I wake up without opening my eyes. I then slowly start to drift back. At this point I usually catch a glimpse of an image. I then try to hold on to that image or use my "dream hands" to extend it and pull myself into it. Sometimes I find myself back at the same place I was before waking up, sometimes I don't. For me it's not an active choice really.

**CloudOFmichael** · 08-11-2011 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by XeL

For me it usually works like this. I wake up without opening my eyes. I then slowly start to drift back. At this point I usually catch a glimpse of an image. I then try to hold on to that image or use my "dream hands" to extend it and pull myself into it. Sometimes I find myself back at the same place I was before waking up, sometimes I don't. For me it's not an active choice really.

You dont know until you try it

... THANKS!

**fOrceez** · 08-12-2011 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by XeL

For me it usually works like this. I wake up without opening my eyes. I then slowly start to drift back. At this point I usually catch a glimpse of an image. I then try to hold on to that image or use my "dream hands" to extend it and pull myself into it. Sometimes I find myself back at the same place I was before waking up, sometimes I don't. For me it's not an active choice really.

Can you please explain your 'dream hands' ?

**XeL** · 08-12-2011 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by fOrceez

Can you please explain your 'dream hands' ?

Sure. Once I'm at the point where I see an image, I know I'm close. I then simply picture myself using my hands to pull that picture outwards and drag myself into it.

**Ray23** · 08-11-2011 12:04 AM

I see youre interested in DEILD like me

I only seem to be able to do it after LDs. When I try to do it after a regular dream I just stand still in the dark. Do you have the same problem?

**CloudOFmichael** · 08-11-2011 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Ray23

I see youre interested in DEILD like me

I only seem to be able to do it after LDs. When I try to do it after a regular dream I just stand still in the dark. Do you have the same problem?

I used to not use DEILD because of that very problem but some people on here said that you only have a few moments when you wake up before you brain leaves REM so I just tried to imagine something really quickly and that eliminated most complications

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**That** · 08-11-2011 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by ray23

i see youre interested in deild like me

i only seem to be able to do it after lds. When i try to do it after a regular dream i just stand still in the dark. Do you have the same problem?

yes!

**faceonmars** · 08-11-2011 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by mutualdreamer

When you wake up without moving, can you just clear your mind and you will be transported into a random dream? or is it better to re-enter the one you were just in?

It is easier to visualize the dream you were just in as the human mind tends to want to complete interrupted dreams.

**DarkSider** · 08-11-2011 06:21 AM

So far my DEILDs always work without any visualization or remembering dreams. I just count to 10, enter a dream, stabilize it and have a nice lucid

**yuppie11975** · 08-11-2011 08:41 AM

I'm trying DEILD. I'm not sure what to do, Like, I heard you just don't think about anything, and an image will pop into your head. Or you go from your last dream. Hey by the way, if you're imagining your last dream, do you reimagine it from the start, or do you continue it in your mind?

**Erii** · 08-11-2011 08:51 AM

it doesn't really matter, it probably will happen however, I had DEILD last night, i was in a lucid dream and woke up, DEILD chained and it was so quick, you can't really decide where you wanna go....i just appeared in some random house, the concept of time is rather odd, sometimes it feels like the DEILD took longer than it seemed, or like you never even woke up at all.

just go with the flow.

**yuppie11975** · 08-11-2011 09:07 AM

I think DEILD has to be the most effective techniuqe hands down, it takes less then a minute, it's easy, and it's basically gauranteed. Yet to try succesfully though, I've only managed to not move once so far.

**Csorax** · 08-11-2011 05:37 PM

I have some problems with it too...

When I woke up, I just layed there motionless, trying to remeber my last dream (which was very hard to do), but I couldn't enter it and just fell asleep again.
Since then I tried DEILD mulitple times, but my mind somehow managed to ignore my DEILD alarm...

**notburtreynolds** · 08-11-2011 07:09 PM

how do you wake up without moving?! that seems extremely difficult. do you guys set an alarm or say a mantra like "i will wake up and not move".

**Csorax** · 08-11-2011 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by notburtreynolds

how do you wake up without moving?! that seems extremely difficult. do you guys set an alarm or say a mantra like "i will wake up and not move".

For me it's not a problem. I hear the alarm and instantly know what i've got to do. But it's helpful if you're in a comfortable position when waking up, but it's most likely that you can't control that..

**yuppie11975** · 08-11-2011 10:37 PM

I can wake up without moving, eyes closed, but I try to remember my dream, and it takes about ten seconds, and I feel like that chrushes my rem waves.
My attempt last night just led to me falling asleep, is it similar to wild, keeping thoughts in your head to stay concious?

**Darkmatters** · 08-12-2011 06:59 AM

You have a 'real' material body that's laying in bed sleeping, and a dream body that's free to run around and do stuff. There's a point when you're wilding when they seem to separate (if you happen to be paying attention when it happens you'll feel it). One technique is to imagine the arms and legs of your dream body slowly moving in relation to your real arms and legs, which obviously are laying on the bed. You try to feel your dream legs bending from the knees so your feet are down "inside" the bed, and your arms lift up from the elbow so your dream hands are pointing up toward the ceiling. If it's working you should be able to feel it more and more realistically until you reach a point where the sleeping body seems unreal and your dream body feels like the real you.

**yuppie11975** · 08-12-2011 08:52 AM

So, when I awake, I wait for an image to pop into my head, and then I imagine my dream hands coming out, expanding the image, and walking into it, and I should become lucid?

**dreamcatcher81** · 08-12-2011 12:46 PM

I thought deild's were just for lucid dream chaining but thats not true, i have deild'ed from a normal dream, the trick was not to just lay there and fall back to sleep, it was to visualize a image or environment, that image would flicker for a few seconds then become stable. I created a whole park scene with grass and trees like this one time, it was like walking into a dream i created fully lucid with no previous black outs :-) namaste.

**DarkSider** · 08-12-2011 01:25 PM

DEILD can be used for dream chaining and entering new dreams

**CloudOFmichael** · 08-12-2011 05:41 PM

Sorry for not replying guys... THANKS FOR SOOOOOOO MUCH INPUT D'x!!!!!

**yuppie11975** · 08-13-2011 12:26 AM

So to all the experienced deilders, do you reccomend creating an image, or leaving off from a dream? What do you think is easier?

**Ray23** · 08-16-2011 01:24 AM

I think the reason why DEILD after a non-lucid is hard is because our awareness is turned off. When you wake up and stand still, your logic center turns on suddenly and the shock wakes you up too much to chain back. In a lucid, you are already aware, so waking up is smooth and easy and so is transition.

**dreamcatcher81** · 08-16-2011 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by Ray23

I think the reason why DEILD after a non-lucid is hard is because our awareness is turned off. When you wake up and stand still, your logic center turns on suddenly and the shock wakes you up too much to chain back. In a lucid, you are already aware, so waking up is smooth and easy and so is transition.

I agree with this if you wake up too sharply like say after a nightmare or some shocking event your awareness is too acute to deild. Personally I think it's about harnessing those moments that have us gently turning from one side to another. In those momments we are in-between the waking state and dream state in which we only want to fall back to sleep as quickly as possible which is what ends up happening everynight instead we should use these key moments for deilds because it's a perfect place to launch a dream from