Quote Originally Posted by Kilpikonna View Post
I agree with CosmicIron - good to see other people do realize as well, that what people call OBE is mostly a LD. I have been practicing "Astral projection" or OBE techniques and then realized when I got successful, that I am in a dream environment - even when the place looked mostly like my real bedroom, house and garden. Robert Bruce just calls the little changes "reality shifts" and says it is the "real time zone" (RTZ) anyway. The realization, that I had WILDs and therefore finding actually useful information on this forum here, gave me a big boost.

Still I believe there is a private dream area and a public "astral area", but as that is for the "beyond dreaming", I won't go into that here.

Back to topic: I like your recipe. I will apply it when I wake up during the night. So far I had no LD during nights, which I am working on now.
Traditional astral projection techniques are usually very convoluted, but in the end your projection always works the same way as WILD. The complex trainings essentially just cultivate/program the subconscious mind to adapt to a particular spiritual/religious paradigm. As a result, lots of disciplines are injected into a practitioner’s subconscious; thus, people tend to have more “realistic” and “stable” experiences during projection, in comparison to lucid dreaming.

Having said all that, I’m not dismissing LDs/OBEs as pure illusions and nothing more. Through practice, people indeed can achieve a higher state of mind, which opens a portal that leads to all kind of wonders and miracles. Of course, as you said in your post, that is beyond the scope of this post, and therefore we will not get into that.