Starting to get frustrated

**gtmj115** · 03-24-2012 05:56 PM

So I have been working on lucid dreaming for a couple months now. I have increased my recall dramatically and that has been great, enjoying my dreams once again, but since about a week after I started trying I have not had a LD. The first and only one I had was a DILD, and it seemed so easy that I thought by now I would be up to one a week. I try wbtb wilds every night, and every time I end up just falling asleep with no hint of SP. This may just be a rant, but i'm hoping someone has a suggestion. Thanks!

**Ctharlhie** · 03-24-2012 06:16 PM

Take a break, the very worst thing you can do in lucid dreaming is get frustrated, all you're doing is establishing neural networks that tell your brain 'I can't do this'.

Take a break and then when you feel ready to get back into LDing don't think about WILDing, I'd recommend Arch's guide http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/how-ha...-guide-124969/ to gwt you back into the swing of LDing, from there try to come up with your own techniques and turn your attention to WILD again.

You really can try too hard

**jmanjohn** · 03-24-2012 09:17 PM

I wouldn't even say you have to take a break. Instead just slow it down. Don't focus so hardly on getting a lucid dream. And when trying a wbtb wild, just relax. It seems like you're overly trying which can have a negative side affect on ur dreaming.

**gab** · 03-24-2012 11:17 PM

Having a dream journal is great. Are you doing reality checks, mantras and daytime awareness? These are all part of MILD technique for DILDs. And WBTB - how long do you stay up and after how many hours of sleep?

WBTB is usufull also for DILDs. So you can try for a WILD, but if that doesn't work out, you can allways hope for a DILD. But for DILDs you have to practice MILD.

**gtmj115** · 03-25-2012 03:02 AM

@gab, I have a dream journal, and it has helped me get to where I remember at least one full dream a night (before i wasn't remembering any) I do reality checks and the ADA technique that KingYoshi wrote. I have also tried a few mantras. Maybe I am trying too hard. Thanks for your input guys. Also what is your favorite WILD technique?

**gtmj115** · 03-25-2012 03:54 AM

oh also I have tried all sorts of times for wbtb, between 4 and 8 hrs after bed

**faceonmars** · 03-25-2012 04:02 AM

I agree with Ctharlhie... sometimes the best thing you can do is take a break. You might want to try simple visualizations while you are trying to fall asleep. Visualize a happy memory, something you did today, or the last dream you can recall. Just a thought.

**gtmj115** · 03-25-2012 04:35 AM

I have actually successfully re entered a couple dreams by visualization but I didn't become lucid

**gab** · 03-25-2012 05:34 AM

If you fall asleep too fast after WBTB, maybe you didn't stay up long enough. Keep your mind entertained with mantras, focusing on your breating, or counting. Experiment between 5 min to 1 hour. You should be in perfect balance of thinking clearly, but still tired. Check out the SAT technique I have linked in my previous post. And don't worry about SP. Somebody is aware of being in it, others aren't. It's just a stepping stone, not the goal. And when doing MILD/DILD, there is no need for SP at all, you just fall asleep normally and in a regular dream you will realize you are dreaming.

As for favorite WILD - WBTB for sure, around 4-5am for about 30 min. Then just laying down and waiting for images behind closed eyelids. That's the easiest way for me to enter lucid dream. Sometimes I don't see the images but get vibrations instead, or a headrush - acceleration sensation. With these, entry to LD is more of a floating out of my body feeling.

Wish you good luck

**gtmj115** · 03-25-2012 03:45 PM

Yeah I actually used to get into SP all the time when I would fall asleep in school before i knew what it was, and i loved that feeling. When doing wbtb I have experimented with a couple different times for staying awake, but I always seem to either be too awake or too sleepy, but I have been trying to follow all the steps in yoshi's WILD technique, maybe that was too much, Ill try what you said tomorrow. Thanks for the input!